Better than any english tennis player by about 500 places in the rankings
It's quality how he would be a great british player had he won
You're damning him with faint praise there.
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You're damning him with faint praise there.
You're damning him with faint praise there.
Yeah well it's pointless anyway.
You can be one of the top ten players in the world at your profession and still people will think you are shite. But i mean imagine getting beaten by Nadal, he must be shit.
It is not about getting beat by Nadal in one off match on grass. It is about overcoming the challenge of Nadal and Novak without leaving any scope of doubt in anyone's mind, if he is to be recognised as the best ever or even better than Sampras. They are the real and only competition he has ever had so far in career, if he can't beat them convincingly most of the time, then it was about him dominating a weak field.
Nah, I elaborated on the fact why it would be embarrassing for Federer to lose against Nadal in the final of Wimbledon. His comment, no matter how old, shows his mindset in this rivalry and his consciousness about not getting dominated by his main rival, especially in Grand Slams but also head to head... I remember when in the same year he went on to beat Nadal in the Masters, he was over the moon saying how this proves he is the real number one.
I think it's pretty clear that what he's saying backs this opinion up, he'll feel embarrassed and not feel like the true number one if he loses in the french final and then follow it up by losing the wimbledon final against his main rival. We're halfway there...
Read his quotes and tell me how I twisted this. Just silly and childish to refuse to see this IMO.
Anyway, let's wait till he actually gets beaten by Nadal first shall we
Oh and I 'support' (the closest thing to being my favorite player nowadays, gutted everytime he fails to win that elusive french open) Federer in this battle, so if he does well, I won't be pissed and I won't be looking silly as all I've said is that this is a seriously delicate moment for him in his career. If he wins, he'll regain that confidence to go on and break Sampras' record... if he loses, he'll come back but never be quite as great I reckon. We'll see.
And that fanboy comment is fully deserved.
Yep, and Federer himself knows this all too well.
Sampras only lost his edge against players when he started to lose that motivation and fitness (he was never really a marathon man anyway, he always frustrated me in doing a 'Zidane' - or is it Zidane doing a 'Sampras'
- throwing up and what not... nobody else looks as tired and recovers as badly)... he never was dominated by any one player (agassi in his prime came close, but Sampras found a way to win consistently against him not long after his Aussie final loss)... I'm not talking about one off matches, because when Philippoussis gets a lucky day and every of his canonballs are somehow flying in (and making something like 5 unforced errors, while he normally makes a million), yes he got dominated by him in a match once in the Aussie open (but head to head Sampras put that right... never lost to him again.).Incidentally, sampras went downhill when he was about 27-28 (yeah he did one or two fairytale comebacks and won Wimbledon when he was 28 and the US open when he was 31... but lost nearly everything inbetween)
Even If Nadal beats him in the final, it does not back up most of the views in your original post Kevin. You said he would be embarassed if he lost and even if Federer feels that way people who watch tennis properly will not. I have explained how you took them out of context.
No the fanboy comment is not fully deserved. It is childish and belongs to discussions about game consoles, not as a way to try to back up your own viewpoint and disregard that of most people who watch tennis.
People are fans of tennis not Federer.
No the fanboy comment is not fully deserved. It is childish and belongs to discussions about game consoles, not as a way to try to back up your own viewpoint and disregard that of most people who watch tennis.
People are fans of tennis not Federer.
So you agree that Federer might feel that way? His comments totally backs this up, he's got that mindset and pride of a true number one and it's hardly surprising.
But tennis fans will probably be divided as well... there's already plenty of people doubting him as it is. It will hit hard and only be a confirmation to them if he loses another slam against Nadal, and this time around being Wimbledon... it'll also be the first time it's happened. There'll be doubters and I actually hope he'll prove them wrong... but he's not an idol of mine and therefore I've made an, in my opinion, fair assessment to this being a very important time in his career considering everything (age, how the season's went, his form, doubters, big loss in the french final, etc etc).
The fanboy comment was deserves, as contrary to Psmith for example, you reacted like one because of an opinion you think is wrong.
EDIT: I never said I elaborated on every view of my original post with those comments. I said explicitely what I wanted to prove with the quotes: the fact that Federer would feel embarrassed if he loses to Nadal again on a big occasion.
Still trying to go down that road are we. As I said your original post was full of strange hypothetical remarks and an assessment of Federer which is not warranted over his slight problems. All I did was highlight them and im a fan of tennis not Federer. I have no interest in discussing things with someone who uses an immature fanboy concept to back up their viewpoint with no foundation.
You sound like some guy at my tennis club. Average skills, great snob
Seriously though, you were going on being sarcastic about Federer feeling embarrassed, so I just went on and focused on that by digging up those comments which prove how seriously he takes these head to heads on big occasions with Nadal and what his views are on being a TRUE number one.
I didn't try to prove anything else, as it was indeed a post with a hypothetical scenario which I used to highlight the point that Federer is at a delicate and important moment in his career... crossroads and all that. You might disagree, not much to argue there if you're continuing to 'ignore' me, whilst still replying
Im anything but a snob there is just no foundation for this Federer stuff based on half a season of problems given his success last year, whatever way you try to twist it. Exactly so those quotes do not vindicate your original post which I had problems with. You said Federer would be embarassed in public, not that he would be for himself... of course that is the case. All those quotes do is outline his desire to win and he has had a lot of success since then of course he is going to make comments like that because he wants to continue, losing to Nadal will not change his standing. I did not say I was ignoring you when replying... I indicated I have no interest in discussing it with you much further.Go back and read brophs posts on the matter. He seems to have a lot of tennis knowledge instead of misinterpreting something Becker said like you.
Go back and read brophs posts on the matter. He seems to have a lot of tennis knowledge instead of misinterpreting something Becker said like you.
Eh, misinterpret, no. More like catching the first few phrases and add a bit of my own opinion in it.
It's so obvious that it's a shot he makes far too many unforced errors with... which happens when he plays Nadal, who makes him play that extra shot and, as I said, coupled with the weakness of the onehanded backhand, is why he'll never beat Nadal in the French...
What broph said is a well thought out assessment, but he bases alot of Federer's problems on this fever he had (and even as far as his final loss in the french... I'm no expert at that fever he's talking about, but Federer himself said after he reached the final that he feels like the fittest he's ever been on clay... to keep blaming it all on that fever is getting tiring now.).
The difference is that I do not think the fever has affected him as much as he does, and from there on it's natural to draw a different conclusion.
His argument favours Federer though, so a much easier opinion for you to embrace eh, Federer fanboy
By the way, you seem to be hiding behind others... and what broph says indeed sounds like one who has not only watched, but also played tennis for years... a bit like myself. Now onto the million dollar question: do you? Be honest now
Hiding behind others? Asking me if I play tennis like it has any impact on the inadequacy of your first post?
Seriously, stop now. Maybe I told you to read his summary because I was bored. If im a "FanBoy" for my valid arguments then you are a "Federer Hater" for yours, if thats what the cool kids call it. I dont know why your getting involved anyway I was talking to Kelvin
Seriously, stop now. Maybe I told you to read his summary because I was bored. If im a "FanBoy" for my valid arguments then you are a "Federer Hater" for yours, if thats what the cool kids call it. I dont know why your getting involved anyway I was talking to Kelvin
Hiding behind others? Asking me if I play tennis like it has any impact on inadequacy of your first post?
Seriously, stop now. Maybe I told you to read his summary because I was bored. If im a "FanBoy" for my valid arguments then you are a "Federer Hater" for yours, if thats what the cool kids call it. I dont know why your getting involved anyway I was talking to Kelvin
You're quite a Federer fanboy, that much is obvious... like a bitch on fire when someone questions your idol... probably because you don't actually play the sports, but since he's famous and was winning everything, why not eh?
The last pun was... cringeworthy. I'm getting some practice for if Federer gets destroyed again. That'd be truly embarrassing for him.
Nah I hope he wins, it's ok.
Your actually a bit of a dickhead aren't you. I thought that fanboy stuff was a joke but your running with it and now adding other silly comments like a bitch on a fire. Your first post was and still is full of flaws. Insinuating things about another anonymous poster in terms of whether they play the sport is also quite weird. Give it a break because your not coming across as clever or winding me up... your just coming across as a bit of a prick.
Nah, taking interest in whether someone plays the sport when he seems to find himself to be quite knowledgable at said sport is quite normal.
I'm obviously not winding you up or anything you know... you're not a FANBOY and have not acted like a bitch on fire or anything.
Seriously I'm a good guy who's bored at work. Want a kiss?
When your asking it to try and back up your view or disregard someone elses it is not normal. My defence of Federer has nothing to do with him the arguments just have little foundation. I dont find myself quite knowledgeable in a snobby way like you are insinuating either, I simply know what I know from my interest in the sport and dont talk about things that I dont. Yes, I have played tennis and watch it which is why im posting in this thread. Im a grad accountant not a professional tennis player and have played around courts in Manchester, not as a member of some tennis club... I dont see that having an affect on me not agreeing with your post anyway thats why I didnt answer. It would not be important if we were talking about football would it, thats probably why people see tennis as a snobbish sport.
I have no kisses to spare anyway Kelvin. I have a long term girlfriend and a wife on the side.
I have no kisses to spare anyway Kelvin. I have a long term girlfriend and a wife on the side.
I've seen quite a few on this forum ask the very same question about football as well.
Anyway, why so touchy. Who said I was going to dismiss your opinion depending on your answer? You're drawing conclusions for things that haven't happened yet (but you think they will), and being defensive and touchy about it... that's why you surely aren't behaving like a bitch on fire
I asked Psmith and others the very same question before and went on to have a chat about playing experience etc. It's not so often you meet fellow tennis players on this board. Yes, I'd probably have a pop on the way, but you're taking things far too seriously... that's why you're not a bitch on fire you know...
And mark my words, if Federer does lose this final, he'll never reach the heights of before again, although he'll still be around number one or two for a year or two and win a few slams. In recent history, I've yet to see a top top player maintain his form during what are supposed the prime years (27+)... Even Sampras fell away at that age... in tennis it's different to football (although it seems like it's heading the same way... both sports ask more and more of the professionals practicing them at the highest level). This would hit his confidence hard and I'm seeing Nadal improving as well. This tournament is more important to him than ever.
Incidentally, I think Federer will win it... four sets.
Kevin. You asked the "million dollar question" for a reason and im not being touchy at all or defensive so stop making back handed comments. You were resorting to silly comments because of the debate and then trying to insinunate im a snob, or dont know much about tennis etc instead of talking about the points at hand. Its way off and I dont even know why I carried it on.
Whether Federer reaches the heights of winning three and being in the final of the other again is not how this started and you know it. However, just leave it at that anyway. I think you will find Federer will be successful regardless.
Whether Federer reaches the heights of winning three and being in the final of the other again is not how this started and you know it. However, just leave it at that anyway. I think you will find Federer will be successful regardless.
Nah, I asked the million dollar question for a reason and that's to wind you up
I've had disagreements with people on here about tennis before, no hard feelings harbored from either side after any of it... take. this. too. seriously.
I'm not sure how it started? You somehow got angry because I posed a hypothetical scenario (I also posted this, because people back in the thread were discussing this very scenario... like count duckula. merely posting what my thoughts are, should such a scenario take place. then you got all fanboyish
) which I'm probably not allowed to post? Don't see much else wrong.It's funny you should say I'm trying to talk about something else to distract from the point at hand: aren't YOU the one who's said you won't discuss the points at hand with me pretty much after post 2 of our little chit-chat? You're not the most logical person I'd say... skipped your coffee this morning?
Once again silly comments about coffee etc. I am in no way taking this too seriously and was not angry, your post was flawed in my opinion and i have said why. I also made it clear why I had little interest in your views because of you being unable to debate without turning to fanboy comments, when I have explained im a fan of tennis not Federer. Unlike Duckula who had his views and stuck to them. The fact you are still using it and silly back handed comments as if you are smart or something shows I was right. You can either take the hint this time or carry on with it, its up to you.
You're a bit of a snob aren't you? One would think you're used to comments worse than ''fanboy''/''bitch on fire''/about fecking ''coffee'' being on a football forum... christ what a woman you are... I'm sorry, but this is
I have my views and stick to them as well. Don't see how I didn't tbh. You're seeing things again honey.
And I'll carry on alright, I have all the time in the world (well, until 5) and don't see this as particularly stressful as you seem to do... the opposite actually
keep begging me to leave the thread and giving me 'hints' though.Begging you to leave the thread? Stressful? Kevin you seem to be under the illusion you have achieved something. Your views on Federer were still full of shit and you dont stick to them you throw in silly insults because you are childish. The "hints" are for you to realise im not interested and your wasting your time looking like a nob you dick.
You're begging alright, fanboy. My views on Federer if he'd lose to Nadal are spot on and will prove to be true if his loss becomes reality (fortunately for Federer, he'll probably win the final IMO. but the whole discussion pre-set by others was about IF he'd lose, and I gladly joined that... to the outrage of fanbwoy here
).Now calm down, your last sentence might prompt me to officially announce I will not talk to you on a subject again... if I were a bitch on fire... like you... heh heh heh.
Seriously, how old are you, what do you do? Are you ugly and insecure or something? Why on earth are you throwing wierd insults at someone you dont know continously who obviously is bored of you? Why are you pretending someone is taking something seriously when you are the one who seems to have emotional interest in this? Why do you need constant smilies to try and show your opinion?
Lads, give it a rest eh? This thread is in danger of becoming as tedious as the Ronaldo one.
So many questions? Isn't it weird for a fellow anonymous poster to ask such questions?
'Weird insults'?
You're a fecking woman, I'm sorry. You sure you'll survive on a football forum? Fecking hell...There's emotional interest from my side alright... entertainment, which I'm getting plenty of... fanbwoy. Not that this winds you up or anything.
I refuse to answer the smiley question, I've seen people use this to distract from the focus of their own insecurity. It's a question on the same level as my ''do you play tennis'' question, and it would emotionally hurt me if I bothered answering that... not that I'll change my opinion or anything if I did anyway,s o no I'm not answering this... if you'd have added "now for the million dollar question..." in the sentence though...
That was a poor immitation of you alright... apologies ->
<- smiley alert!Alright, the match is about to begin anyway.
Yep because you did not ask me if I played tennis insinuating that it would affect the validity of my views did you...
You have used the word fanboy about a million times with no foundation and seem to find it hilarious, its quite weird thats all, thats not normal practice on here. If you coming across as weird makes me a woman so be it. Asking you why you are using silly smilies and acting like a child is a valid question, asking me whether I play tennis in my personal life was not. If you think im taking this seriously replying to a retard at work your wrong, im just killing time. You have got yourself in a mess with the last bit of that post I can see what you tried to do with the smiley question but it did not work. I was asking you that because I realised what I was dealing with and felt sorry for you, not as a means of backing up my argument. True, you have mildly entertained me but I get impression this is the best laugh you will have all day. Its unfortunate.
You have used the word fanboy about a million times with no foundation and seem to find it hilarious, its quite weird thats all, thats not normal practice on here. If you coming across as weird makes me a woman so be it. Asking you why you are using silly smilies and acting like a child is a valid question, asking me whether I play tennis in my personal life was not. If you think im taking this seriously replying to a retard at work your wrong, im just killing time. You have got yourself in a mess with the last bit of that post I can see what you tried to do with the smiley question but it did not work. I was asking you that because I realised what I was dealing with and felt sorry for you, not as a means of backing up my argument. True, you have mildly entertained me but I get impression this is the best laugh you will have all day. Its unfortunate.
Yes because im the one who has to stop posting smilies and calling someone a fanboy because im thick. Imbecile.FAN... tastic play by Zheng!
FAN... tastic play by Zheng!
fecking fanboy.
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This FAN... tastic play of Zheng really bothers you doesn't it? You keep mentioning me mentioning it, are you a Williams fan then?
It clearly doesn't bother you. Zheng fan after all then.
FANB... OMBTASTIC start by Williams! Zheng's in trouble now...
Hilarious Kevin. No I want Serena to win for my bet actually so have fun off that for now if you want, take your mind off your shit life
Zheng's going to donate all her prize money (what's left of it after the parasites that is the chinese government get their hands on the lion share) to sichuan.
Zheng fan boy alert. Cnut.
And of course people worship Beckham and he was never in the top 20 footie players, even at his peak. Footballers have it very easy. Look at the ridicule Henman got despite being in the top 10 for years.
Looks like it's going to be a final between the Williams sisters.