Wimbledon 2012

Well done to Andy. He was the better player out there. He needs to keep the unforced error count to the numbers he was achieving in the first two sets and he'll have a chance on the weekend. Federer's definitely the favourite though.

The bitterness in this thread is brilliant though. Resorting to claiming you're worried about someone with a reserved personality winning SPOTY. Brilliant. Because typically that's a prize reserved for the Oscar Wildes of the sporting world.
 
74 years is a long wait, feck me. Now beat that slimy cnuting goody two shoesed swiss wanker.
 
One more win for Roger and he can retire for all I care. But this is HUGE.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Hopefully Federer doesn't get frustrated on Sunday with Murray fetching everything.
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Nah Murray is not Nadal, not even close. Despite whatever their previous record is, Murray is not getting close to Federer in this form. Federer as usual will come out quick from the blocks and Murray does not have the mental strength to turn it around once down a set in a big final. I will bet a good amount that it will be over in 3.
 
R_Kelly said:
I hope Fed absolutely smashes him, otherwise a man with the personality of a sandwich will win BBC Sports Personality of the year.
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I think the vast numbers of folk who think you should have to have a larger than life personality to be a top tennis player, actually need to get a life themselves.
 
Btw, I want Murray to win but I think Federer will win comfortably.

Murrays head seems to go at really important moments. You cant really afford to let that happen against the greatest tennis player of all time.
 
crappycraperson said:
Nah Murray is not Nadal, not even close. Despite whatever their previous record is, Murray is not getting close to Federer in this form. Federer as usual will come out quick from the blocks and Murray does not have the mental strength to turn it around once down a set in a big final. I will bet a good amount that it will be over in 3.
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It's sport, you never know. But I hope you're right.

Murray can win it next year! I really feel fed probably won't get such a good shot at Wimbledon again.
 
Nerves will get to Murray, Federer will win. But it's quite interesting reading through the thread the amount of people kept writing Murray off even though he is the 4th best player out there.
 
It'll take a massive set of balls from Murray to win it, but I think from Nadal, Djokovic or Federer I'd probably prefer to be playing Federer in the final.
 
lynchie said:
Well done to Andy. He was the better player out there. He needs to keep the unforced error count to the numbers he was achieving in the first two sets and he'll have a chance on the weekend. Federer's definitely the favourite though.

The bitterness in this thread is brilliant though. Resorting to claiming you're worried about someone with a reserved personality winning SPOTY. Brilliant. Because typically that's a prize reserved for the Oscar Wildes of the sporting world.
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Brilliantly put. Think it's pathetic that after years of whining about how bad British sport is, and specifically tennis, we can't even be happy when one of our players achieves something that's genuinely worth celebrating.

I don't think he'll win on Sunday, but I really hope he does and will be cheering him all the way.
 
Except he's not British - he's Scottish and he's made that very clear throughout his career (up until he was informed he'd make more money by pandering to the English crowd, of course). So I have no loyalty to him whatsoever, the miserable cnut.
 
lynchie said:
.The bitterness in this thread is brilliant though. Resorting to claiming you're worried about someone with a reserved personality winning SPOTY. Brilliant. Because typically that's a prize reserved for the Oscar Wildes of the sporting world.
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:lol: bitterness? I honestly wonder if anyone actually knows what that means anymore with the way it's used on here. What the hell do I have to be bitter about? Can't I just not like Andy Murray?

LTS10 said:
I think the vast numbers of folk who think you should have to have a larger than life personality to be a top tennis player, actually need to get a life themselves.
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OK, who said anything about that?
 
Agent Red said:
Brilliantly put. Think it's pathetic that after years of whining about how bad British sport is, and specifically tennis, we can't even be happy when one of our players achieves something that's genuinely worth celebrating.

I don't think he'll win on Sunday, but I really hope he does and will be cheering him all the way.
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I've never moaned about that, and I don't chose the sportsmen I like based on their nationality, so can I carry on hoping Federer smashes him?
 
Count Orduck said:
Except he's not British - he's Scottish and he's made that very clear throughout his career (up until he was informed he'd make more money by pandering to the English crowd, of course). So I have no loyalty to him whatsoever, the miserable cnut.
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He isn't English, but he is British.
 
Agent Red said:
Brilliantly put. Think it's pathetic that after years of whining about how bad British sport is, and specifically tennis, we can't even be happy when one of our players achieves something that's genuinely worth celebrating.

I don't think he'll win on Sunday, but I really hope he does and will be cheering him all the way.
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Agree. Phenomenal achievement by Murray to get this far. Disappointing that all Brits won't be getting behind him, but each to their own I guess. Presumably the situation will change in a months time when he has a Team GB shirt on but why not all wish him well in this too.
 
We're all humans on Planet Earth first

Hope Roger beats him in straight sets
 
mjs020294 said:
:lol:

What do you think British means?
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Garethw said:
He isn't English, but he is British.
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Nearco said:
The opinion of pricks like you doesn't really alter what it says on his fecking Passport.
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I'm aware that he's British, dimwits, but my point was that he's made it very clear that he sees himself as Scottish first, British a distant second. That's fine, but if he wants to draw those lines then I have nothing in common with him, being English. I mean, equally I could support Federer given that he's European and so am I.
 
Cutch said:
Disappointing that all Brits won't be getting behind him, but each to their own I guess. Presumably the situation will change in a months time when he has a Team GB shirt on but why not all wish him well in this too.
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I think that has more to do with his rather dour personality on the court than being Scottish. If he had a smile like Tsonga it wouldn't matter where in the Union he was from, even Liverpool, everyone would love him. Don't forget, Henman wasn't universally loved because of his poshness.
 
Count Orduck said:
I'm aware that he's British, dimwits, but my point was that he's made it very clear that he sees himself as Scottish first, British a distant second. That's fine, but if he wants to draw those lines then I have nothing in common with him, being English. I mean, equally I could support Federer given that he's European and so am I.
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Meh so he is one of those twats that thinks he is Scottish or English first and British second. Doesn't change the fact that he is British.

Not sure why the "English" are so threatened by a proud Scot. This isn't Alex Salmond you're talking about.

Nearco said:
I think that has more to do with his rather dour personality on the court than being Scottish. If he had a smile like Tsonga it wouldn't matter where in the Union he was from, even Liverpool, everyone would love him. Don't forget, Henman wasn't universally loved because of his poshness.
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It does say a lot about us a country or a nation that we would pick on someone because of a supposed personality defect.
 
I would like a Brit to win but not Murray at the expense of Fed. If Roger plays like he did today it will be straight sets as Djokovic is better than Murray and he got smothered. If Roger comes out fast and steamrollers Murray it will be quick. If Murray can keep close and play inspired it could be interesting. I think/hope Roger wins in 3 sets.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Meh so he is one of those twats that thinks he is Scottish or English first and British second. Doesn't change the fact that he is British.

Not sure why the "English" are so threatened by a proud Scot. This isn't Alex Salmond you're talking about.
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I'm not "threatened" by him, and he has every right to be a proud Scot if he wants to. But if he wants to associate himself not with Britain but with Scotland then that means I have no obligation to support him based on common nationality.

That being the case, I can hope he loses to Federer without even feeling remotely guilty.
 
Jaz said:
Yup. Long time Federer fan here too. Will be a tough match for both.

Needs to keep calm and pick his moments.
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If the roof is closed it will be an advantage to Federer as he served superbly today and because of his need to time the ball so well, the roof closed will help him. Roger in 3 sets for me.
 
Nearco said:
I think that has more to do with his rather dour personality on the court than being Scottish. If he had a smile like Tsonga it wouldn't matter where in the Union he was from, even Liverpool, everyone would love him. Don't forget, Henman wasn't universally loved because of his poshness.
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I think he's a bit misunderstood. Certainly comes across a lot better away from the courts when you see him on the likes of Soccer AM he seems a lot less serious and not a bad sense of humour infact. Seems very popular amongst his fellow players also.

Count Orduck said:
I'm not "threatened" by him, and he has every right to be a proud Scot if he wants to. But if he wants to associate himself not with Britain but with Scotland then that means I have no obligation to support him based on common nationality.

That being the case, I can hope he loses to Federer without even feeling remotely guilty.
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What are you basing this on out of interest?
 
In what way has he ever claimed to not be British? He always describes wimbledon as his home slam.
 
Count Orduck said:
I'm not "threatened" by him, and he has every right to be a proud Scot if he wants to. But if he wants to associate himself not with Britain but with Scotland then that means I have no obligation to support him based on common nationality.

That being the case, I can hope he loses to Federer without even feeling remotely guilty.
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Interesting you say you're not threatened by him when you give the impression that you are.

Murray has never ever said he was not British or wished not to be so. So that's a lot of fabrication.

I like how we as a country want people who may be slightly different to "prove" their Britishness, we simply can't accept them for what they are. Do you want people who are of Asian or African descent to also prove their Britishness to you as well? Murray can say whatever he wants about being proud to be a Brit, he will be castigated by some for being a simply a Scot.
 
R_Kelly said:
I've never moaned about that, and I don't chose the sportsmen I like based on their nationality, so can I carry on hoping Federer smashes him?
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That's fine, it was a general complaint rather than aimed at anyone. I know a lot of people who have complained about that, and yet are continuing to complain now, which baffles me.

Count Orduck said:
Except he's not British - he's Scottish and he's made that very clear throughout his career (up until he was informed he'd make more money by pandering to the English crowd, of course). So I have no loyalty to him whatsoever, the miserable cnut.
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I think that's quite outdated to be honest. I'll admit when he started there were flashes of that but he's matured since then and I think genuinely learnt to embrace the fact he's British and the difference that means. He hasn't done anything in recent years to 'make it very clear' that he doesn't consider himself British. Taking pride in being Scottish isn't the same thing as not considering yourself British.
 
Cutch said:
What are you basing this on out of interest?
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I'd like to know too.

I remember when he first came on to the scene, the press kept on printing stories about him being anti-English. It always turned out to be complete bollocks. There was one instance of Tim Henman teasing him about how shit the Scottish football team is, to which Murray jokingly replied along the lines of 'you can forget about me supporting England [in the upcoming tournament] now'. This was reported in the press as Murray being anti-English.

It's funny, English people are allowed to be proud of being English without anyone questioning their credentials as a Brit, yet when a Welshman or a Scot does it, it's almost as if the being Welsh/Scottish and British are mutually exclusive. I have experienced this in England when people sometimes assume that I am anti-English whenever I express Welshness. It's a bizarre paranoia.
 
He doesn't like English much. Big deal, he's still British. I don't like scoucers at all but I still support them in an England shirt.
 
Well, I admit the anti-English sentiment I got off him was based on the media and the "general consensus" that he was. If that's wrong, then I apologise. Mind you, I'll still be supporting Federer because I worship him.

For what it's worth, nationality doesn't mean a tremendous amount to me - saying I didn't support him because we weren't of the same nationality was the easiest argument to make. Disproved, I simply have to make others. I don't support Hamilton in the F1 either, despite the fact that he's English, because he's a massive cnut. And I was desperate for the England team to lose in the Euros because they were anti-football.

If anything, I find supporting an athlete in an individual sport (where they represent no one but themselves) based on nationality a little bizarre.

mjs020294 said:
That isn't what you wrote though was it "dimwit".....and your point was lost with the gross inaccuracy of your statement.
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I was attempting to be hyperbolic for effect; something I clearly failed at.

rednev said:
It's funny, English people are allowed to be proud of being English without anyone questioning their credentials as a Brit, yet when a Welshman or a Scot does it, it's almost as if the being Welsh/Scottish and British are mutually exclusive. I have experienced this in England when people sometimes assume that I am anti-English whenever I express Welshness. It's a bizarre paranoia.
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I could just as easily make some huge sweeping statement here saying that I've never met an English person who wasn't proud to be British, but I've met plenty of Scots and Welsh who would like nothing more than to not be British. Heck, the burgeoning Scottish independence movement is simple proof of that!
 
I always think he comes across as a good lad. He is quiet and not great in front of a camera.

Nothing at all wrong with that.

Not a big fan of some of his fans though.
 
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