Wimbledon 2010

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You have to admit It does seem extremly one sided when every major threat to Federer on grass is kept well away from him until the final, having every top 10 seed in the other half of the draw is just wrong bascially, whilst Nadal or Murray or Soderling will have to fight to the bone to get through to sundays final Federer will as usual be gifted a couple of walkovers in prep for the big one.

So do you think that Hewitt, Roddick, Djokovic, Berdych, Cilic are worse on grass than Soderling, Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga and Verdasco?

Hewitt is much better than Tsonga and Verdasco on grass, Roddick is better than either Soderling or Murray and Djokovic, Cilic, Berdych I think have the weapons and some of them the results to challenge on grass.

Anyway out of those in Nadal's side, who exactly has even a final at Wimbey?
 
So do you think that Hewitt, Roddick, Djokovic, Berdych, Cilic are worse on grass than Soderling, Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga and Verdasco?

Yes. Hewitt is past it, Roddick and Djokovic are chokers, Berdych and Cilic are basically Federer fan boys were fold tamely whenever they meet the great one.

Hewitt is much better than Tsonga and Verdasco on grass, Roddick is better than either Soderling or Murray
Hewitt was better on grass than Tsonga - ten fecking years ago. Roddick lucked out big time last year when the pressure got to Murray. He's too one dimensional these days and Murray would beat him in 4 sets if they'd have met again.
 
So do you think that Hewitt, Roddick, Djokovic, Berdych, Cilic are worse on grass than Soderling, Murray, Ferrer, Tsonga and Verdasco?

Hewitt is much better than Tsonga and Verdasco on grass, Roddick is better than either Soderling or Murray and Djokovic, Cilic, Berdych I think have the weapons and some of them the results to challenge on grass.

Anyway out of those in Nadal's side, who exactly has even a final at Wimbey?


For a start Soderling is a better player than Roddick on grass this year without doubt, Soderlings a man on the rise and will be a major threat over the coming years on the faster surfaces, i wouldn’t worry about Nadal whatsoever had he drawn Roddick, Roddicks a bottle job as yet again proven yesterday never has had nor will have the balls when it matters in a slam, Soderlings a far tougher prospect these days.

Djokovic is a another one who simply dosnt have the mental strength to compete with the best, hes another one who chokes when it gets tight, so yes id say having to potentially beat Murray in a semi especially with the home support will be much harder than getting past Djokovic.

Hewitts a ten years ago man, hes not half the player he was you know this as well as i do, hes a good competitor and will never give up but his games just not up to it, hes a 4th rounder at best these days, Tsonga is a better player than Hewitt, look at the world rankings.

The point is yet again Federers got an easy quarter and semi final and again the main rivals for his crown will all have to tire themselves out fighting each other to get through the other side of the draw, which i dont believe is right…you cannot deny Federer gets favourable draws at Wimbledon.

In my view he should not even be seeded 1 for these championships, i dont care how many times hes won here years ago this is 2010 and the world rankings show Rafael Nadal is the number 1 tennis player in the world and he should be seeded accordingly.
 
Yes. Hewitt is past it, Roddick and Djokovic are chokers, Berdych and Cilic are basically Federer fan boys were fold tamely whenever they meet the great one.
Hewitt had 2 hip operations, I don't think you know what you are talking about. He just beat Federer in Halle. On grass.
Roddick and Djokovic chokers? Seems to me Roddick beat last year Murray, and almost beat Federer in the final - that's couple of points almost. He also has as much finals at Wimbey as the entire bottom part of the draw, including Nadal.

Berdych beat Federer in Miami this year, and led him 2-0 sets in their last slam meeting last year at the AO.
Djokovic has much better results than Soderling at Wimbey and Federer met Cilic only once two years ago, how he is his fan boy is beyound me.

Hewitt was better on grass than Tsonga - ten fecking years ago. Roddick lucked out big time last year when the pressure got to Murray. He's too one dimensional these days and Murray would beat him in 4 sets if they'd have met again.

What has Tsonga done on grass exactly to be compared to Hewitt? Tsonga was never better on grass and will never be better on grass than Hewitt. Let me remind you that Tsonga nearly got eliminated in the opening rounds against Dolgopolov. Tsonga is 4-2 at Wimbey this you call better than Hewitt?

I guess then Lu is better than Roddick and hewitt and so on. Tsonga was eliminated last year in 4 by Karlovic, who you claim to be weak draw for Federer.

Roddick is one dimentional these days? Well Murray ha many dimentions these days, especially since he has not gone past QF's in any tournament since the AO and Roddick won Masters and was finalist in another.

How you can compare Roddick's accomplishments to Murray at this point is beyound me?
 
Ignore him, he's actually deluded himself into believing there's a conspiracy to get Federer to the final. Don't feed the troll; it's just silly.

Seriously, just ignore him.
 
For a start Soderling is a better player than Roddick on grass this year without doubt, Soderlings a man on the rise and will be a major threat over the coming years on the faster surfaces, i wouldn’t worry about Nadal whatsoever had he drawn Roddick, Roddicks a bottle job as yet again proven yesterday never has had nor will have the balls when it matters in a slam, Soderlings a far tougher prospect these days.
Soderling is also 1-12 against Federer, has taken exactly 0 sets off him at wimbey, that's 3-0 on grass. If Sod was on his side and Roddick against Nadal, I'm pretty sure you'll be saying otherwise at the start of the tournament. And bottle job Roddick has 3-5 H2H against Nadal, not exactly one sided? And I think he beat Nadal last time they played?


Djokovic is a another one who simply dosnt have the mental strength to compete with the best, hes another one who chokes when it gets tight, so yes id say having to potentially beat Murray in a semi especially with the home support will be much harder than getting past Djokovic.
Djokovic has beaten Federer at a slam, Murray hasn't even taken a set off him at slams. What makes you think he'll win against him here, having in mind Federer is much better at grass than him. In other words the margin between them on grass is much bigger than on HC's where's Murray best surface.

Hewitts a ten years ago man, hes not half the player he was you know this as well as i do, hes a good competitor and will never give up but his games just not up to it, hes a 4th rounder at best these days, Tsonga is a better player than Hewitt, look at the world rankings.
Again, Hewitt had 2 hip surgeries, if Tsonga got those would he be at his level? I doubt so. Hewitt has won Wimbledon, he has numerous titles on grass and has beaten Federer recently on grass. How the hell a 4-2 careerwise like Tsonga is better than Hewitt on grass?

Davy is even in front of Tsonga in the rankings, is he a better at grass than him and Hewitt? Tsonga has beaten nobody at Wimbey, was taken out nearly by Dolgopolov. Since 2003 Hewitt has lost to Federer, Roddick, Djokovic and Baghdatis at Wimbey, not exactly nobodies. Tsonga has won 4 matches in London untill this tournament.

The point is yet again Federers got an easy quarter and semi final and again the main rivals for his crown will all have to tire themselves out fighting each other to get through the other side of the draw, which i dont believe is right…you cannot deny Federer gets favourable draws at Wimbledon.
So Berdych is an easy quarter? I explained above. Is Melzer worse than PHM? Since Roddick is out suddenly the draw became very weak. How are Soderling and Murray more of a threat to Federer than Roddick,Berdych, Djokovic and Hewitt on grass?

In my view he should not even be seeded 1 for these championships, i dont care how many times hes won here years ago this is 2010 and the world rankings show Rafael Nadal is the number 1 tennis player in the world and he should be seeded accordingly.

Nadal is #1 in the ATP, WImbey is not organized by the ATP. What was Sampras ranking in 2000 and 2001? Of course when the difference is 200 points in the rankings Federer should be ranked higher than Nadal at Wimbey cause he is much much better than Nadal on grass.

Wimbledon ranking is unique to other slams, in cases like that, everytime the better player on grass is preffered in the rankings.
 
I'm sorry but I agree with Allforone.

Roddick and Djokovich are among the biggest bottle jobs in world tennis.

Murray usually is but this is Wimbedon and he's in form and with the crowd behind him he becomes a tough opponent.
 
Djokovic has beaten Federer at a slam, Murray hasn't even taken a set off him at slams. What makes you think he'll win against him here, having in mind Federer is much better at grass than him. In other words the margin between them on grass is much bigger than on HC's where's Murray best surface.

Again, Hewitt had 2 hip surgeries, if Tsonga got those would he be at his level? I doubt so. Hewitt has won Wimbledon, he has numerous titles on grass and has beaten Federer recently on grass. How the hell a 4-2 careerwise like Tsonga is better than Hewitt on grass?

So Berdych is an easy quarter?

Firstly Berdych is CONSIDERABLY easier than Soderling.

And as you said Hewitt has had 2 surgeries, he's shit now. Atleast Tsonga has a big serve and would be potentially harder than Hewitt who's just become rather useless (even though he was my dark horse to win this tournament but I guess I overrated him big time).

And comeone Choker beating Fed at Aussie Open 2008 is a long long long time back. Same tournament Tsonga also thrashed Nadal so yeah Tsonga by that reasoning is an incredibly hard opponent too.
 
Firstly Berdych is CONSIDERABLY easier than Soderling.

And as you said Hewitt has had 2 surgeries, he's shit now. Atleast Tsonga has a big serve and would be potentially harder than Hewitt who's just become rather useless (even though he was my dark horse to win this tournament but I guess I overrated him big time).

And comeone Choker beating Fed at Aussie Open 2008 is a long long long time back. Same tournament Tsonga also thrashed Nadal so yeah Tsonga by that reasoning is an incredibly hard opponent too.

So Federer having Berdych in his Quarter, who is 2-8 against him and has pushd him in 5 in the last GS they have played is considerably easier than Soderling, who Federer has beaten 3 out of 3 on grass, is 12 -1 against him and Sod didn't even take a set off him on grass. Sure Soderling is in a great for and on the rise, but tennis is about matchups. If Soderling takes it to 5 or beats Federer on grass I'd consider Berdych more tougher draw than Soderling. Not a better player at the moment or whatever, note. Berdych nearly took out Soderling in this years RG semis, not exactly that bad, considering that's his worst surface.

Yes Djoker beat him long time back and Federer in 08 had mono, back problems throughout the year and really was off the pace, but still Djokovic beat him at a slam, Murray hasn't.

Tsonga being better than even half fit Hewitt on grass is nonsense. Tsonga has like 4 wins on grass prior to this tournament. He's virtually a nobody on grass. Has done exactly nothing at Wimbey.

Karlovic has a big serve, Haase has a big serve, but claiming either of them is better than Hewitt on Wimbey grass is nonsense.

Besides Federer dismantled him last time they played in Australia, giving him 7 games in 3 sets.

When we're comparing the draws, we should look at ones performances on grass, and Nadal being the only finalist in the other half of the draw says it all.

And Soderling, Tsonga, Murray have the grand total of 1 SF at best at Wimbey.
 
I'm slightly disturbed by this thread. Not enough pics of lovely tennis women bouncing about the court in their lovely skirts and far too much Rafa man love.
 
So Federer having Berdych in his Quarter, who is 2-8 against him and has pushd him in 5 in the last GS they have played is considerably easier than Soderling, who Federer has beaten 3 out of 3 on grass, is 12 -1 against him and Sod didn't even take a set off him on grass. Sure Soderling is in a great for and on the rise, but tennis is about matchups. If Soderling takes it to 5 or beats Federer on grass I'd consider Berdych more tougher draw than Soderling. Not a better player at the moment or whatever, note. Berdych nearly took out Soderling in this years RG semis, not exactly that bad, considering that's his worst surface.

Yes Djoker beat him long time back and Federer in 08 had mono, back problems throughout the year and really was off the pace, but still Djokovic beat him at a slam, Murray hasn't.

Tsonga being better than even half fit Hewitt on grass is nonsense. Tsonga has like 4 wins on grass prior to this tournament. He's virtually a nobody on grass. Has done exactly nothing at Wimbey.

Karlovic has a big serve, Haase has a big serve, but claiming either of them is better than Hewitt on Wimbey grass is nonsense.

Besides Federer dismantled him last time they played in Australia, giving him 7 games in 3 sets.

When we're comparing the draws, we should look at ones performances on grass, and Nadal being the only finalist in the other half of the draw says it all.

And Soderling, Tsonga, Murray have the grand total of 1 SF at best at Wimbey.

In soderling's case you need to forget what he HAS done till now and concentrate on what he's doing right now. He's improved a LOT now and yeah he managed to beat Fed just a month back so he's not going to roll over. Infact he would give Federer a run for his money on grass too now.

If a big server like Bozo caused problems for Fed , soderling surely will
 
In soderling's case you need to forget what he HAS done till now and concentrate on what he's doing right now. He's improved a LOT now and yeah he managed to beat Fed just a month back so he's not going to roll over. Infact he would give Federer a run for his money on grass too now.

If a big server like Bozo caused problems for Fed , soderling surely will

Well, Murray was considered favorite against Federer at the AO. Still he got owned and couldn't even win a set.

If Federer and Nadal are both on the top of their game I think it's irrelevant whoever is up against them.
 
A set all now, but Berdych has an early break in the 3rd set

He needs to win this set for me, couldn't see him winning both four and five to win
 
Djokovic beats Lu 6-3, 6-2, 6-2

He'll be hoping this Federer-Berdych one goes five sets after such an easy win
 
3 break points to Federer, can't see him not converting one of them

As I say that, first one gone, unreturned serve
 
3 break points to Federer, can't see him not converting one of them

As I say that, first one gone, unreturned serve

What do I know, he saved the next two as well

A huge forehand to save the next, and then a great backhand drop shot on the volley to save the 3rd

But now advantage Federer, saved it with an ace
 
His forehand has been impressive these past few games, he's really going for them and they're going in (at the moment)
 
Fed will win. Berdych has been in this position against Fed before in slams and he's bottled it then and he'll bottle it today
 
Fed will win. Berdych has been in this position against Fed before in slams and he's bottled it then and he'll bottle it today

Maybe. But I'm not seeing any signs of that at the moment, he's playing very well

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Well we'll see now won't we, as Berdych breaks Federer, so he's in a position to win or to bottle it. I expect him to win
 
Maybe. But I'm not seeing any signs of that at the moment, he's playing very well

Fed is quality at coming back from the dead. He does it time and again (unless he's playing Nadal)

He did it in the first two rounds, he did it last year vs Roddick and I fully expect him to take this today. Let's not forget Falla was even serving for the match against Fed in the 4th and had 3 break points in the 3rd to serve for the match and he cracked both times.

I can see the same happening today to be honest.
 
A lot of that is because players still have that mental block where they can't put him away.

Exactly. Which is why I yet expect Berdych to really bottle this break of serve up completely.

Players don't have the belief that they can beat Fed.
It's changing now but not yet completely.Let's see if Berdych can keep his cool but I doubt it
 
Berdych holds, 5-3

One more hold, I just think he's playing too well and Federer too badly for Berdych to not win this.
 
Berdych holds, 5-3

One more hold, I just think he's playing too well and Federer too badly for Berdych to not win this.

4th set same score same time I thought Falla would hold when serving at 5-4.

After that I've lost my belief that anyone can really hold their nerve against R.Fed
 
Game Federer. Berdych serving for the match.
 
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