Was finishing 3rd and 2nd over the past two seasons over the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool not punching above our weight? I think people forget how poor the squad he inherited was until you realize he was starting pereira, lingard and mata in attacking midfield before he got hold of Bruno. His #9 was moody Martial.
Will Ole get another PL job after this?
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Was finishing 3rd and 2nd over the past two seasons over the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool not punching above our weight? I think people forget how poor the squad he inherited was until you realize he was starting pereira, lingard and mata in attacking midfield before he got hold of Bruno. His #9 was moody Martial.
I take it you missed those bits in recent memory where we watched teams slicing through us with 'like a knife through warm butter' being a generous metaphor
. I don't completely throw out what you are saying, I am slightly in awe of what he managed to achieve by making the squad believe in themselves. Though, If I were the owner of any sort of pl club on a fraction of the man utd budget and with the merest possibility of relegation, I would look at those last games, and honestly I'd be absolutely fecking terrified!My opinion obviously, respect for everyone elses. Hopefully this thread doesn't also become nasty!
Fair point.
It is hard to get a team like United punching above its weight but that second place was more down to other teams having a poor season than anything very impressive from us. And our track record in cup competitions has definitely been below par, throughout his reign.
Ole’s certainly never achieved anything as impressive as taking a newly promoted side to a 7th place finish (twice in row) like Nuno did.
Absolutely laughable anyone thinks he’d get anywhere near a PL job. Will struggle to get a job in the championship.
You do realise he's managing Manchester United?
I mean that 3rd place finish, another way of looking at it is he scraped top 4 on the final day of the season with a whopping 66 points, with Leicester City being level with us going into the final day. At Manchester United, you consider that punching above our weight?
He achieved the absolute bare minimum for not getting sacked in both his seasons, getting top 4 with low point totals, getting nowhere near the league, winning no trophies, failing to get out the CL group stages, and all achieved with horribly disjointed performances for the most part.
Nah, wouldn’t have thought so. I could see him getting the Norway international job maybe
I don't think so. I know a lot of United fans were in awe with him but from the outside it didn't look like he did anything of note. Will be surprised if he gets hired in any major league across Europe but who knows, he did landed the United job after all.
Yes 100% chance, if he wants it over a foreign one. Mid table team will take a punt, at worst a relegation scrapping team
Nope
At the end of the day, I don't see who would hire him and why.
Not because he's terrible, but because I don't ever see a PL club in need of a change considering "not terrible" a tempting feature for a potential hire.
Not because he's terrible, but because I don't ever see a PL club in need of a change considering "not terrible" a tempting feature for a potential hire.
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Wolves are far from some impoverished relegation threat are they? They have a pipeline to the best of the rest Portuguese talent through Mendes and they were spending 35M on unproven attacking players. You could make the same argument that Arsenal and Everton were down in the dumps for wolves to capitalize. His collapse in their final season is about as dreadful as Ole this season.
You also cannot on one hand lament the structure Ole walked into at United and then criticize him for achieving what he did. The structure at Wolves or Leicester in terms of footballing hierarchy is far more refined than anything United have behind the manager.
His biggest asset is hes a chequebook manager. He spent a fortune here in 5 transfer windows well over £400 million and won nothing. A semi final/final bottler. Always the bridesmaid... as the saying goes. So I cant see a money club employing him.
A 'littler' club that needs to rely on the youth and coaching wont employ him as hes stated he doesnt/cant coach. He doesnt promote enough youth either. Greenwood being the only one I can think of.
So on that, no, he wont manage in the Premier again.
A 'littler' club that needs to rely on the youth and coaching wont employ him as hes stated he doesnt/cant coach. He doesnt promote enough youth either. Greenwood being the only one I can think of.
So on that, no, he wont manage in the Premier again.
You are having a laugh. United spent the most since Ole took over. Punching above our weight?
He has zero respect from opposition fans, his track record with Cardiff speaks for itself. There aren’t many idiots that would look at him. Maybe Championship level side. Maybe.
I take it you missed those bits in recent memory where we watched teams slicing through us with 'like a knife through warm butter' being a generous metaphor
My opinion obviously, respect for everyone elses. Hopefully this thread doesn't also become nasty!
No I didn't miss them at all, his time was up.
We still shouldn't ignore the work he done though here overall.
He oversaw a change in our transfer strategy, the hiring of a DoF & SD in Murtagh & Fletcher each, he worked well with youth and quite clearly a very good man manager as well as all the aforementioned work in my previous comment.
He was tactically naiive and lacked the ability to work with the squad he had built, that was his downfall.
Plenty of other managers in the league have their limitations too.
No, I feel that he was focused when he first came to United and did a great job of changing the atmosphere within the club. Sadly that didn't last because ultimately he's simply too nice and lacked the personality to make players feel uncomfortable but remain hungry to please him.
In his locker he doesn't possess an angry or authoritarian manner, which is needed, especially at half time, when the players need the hairdryer treatment.
Still a good man and a club legend and he did give us some special moments as a manager.
In his locker he doesn't possess an angry or authoritarian manner, which is needed, especially at half time, when the players need the hairdryer treatment.
Still a good man and a club legend and he did give us some special moments as a manager.
Ole did an amazing job of lowering expectations.
So?
It was needed.
He very much did punch above his weight.
Pretty sure no one said he was good enough for the job so going from 6th to 2nd (and closer on pts to a title than any other post Fergie manager) with a EL final is very commendable.
I strongly disagree. He had no respect as a Manchester United manager. At a mid table club he wouldnt be
Unless you expected them to win the league in any of the past seasons over Liverpool or City, what else was your expectations in terms of league position? I don’t understand looking at spending in isolation when he has had to do a pull it down and rebuild job by replacing the likes of Lukaku, Smalling, Sanchez, Young etc.
Well David fecking Moyes got the PL/CL team to 8th place and destroyed the team which took till Ole to fix it. So yeah, I reckon he'd be fine.
Are you Ole?
I really think he'll make a decent International manger.
That's where I see his future
That's where I see his future
Ole's not a terrible manager. He should be able to do well at smaller clubs but not elite giants of the footballing world.
All of the best to him. I can see him returning in an ambassadorial role.
All of the best to him. I can see him returning in an ambassadorial role.
That's what you might think.
His 2nd place last season was due to Bruno saving the day (he was in the ropes last December), Chelsea stuck with Lampard for too long and Liverpool having their midfielders playing as center backs. He never showed any real consistency aside from that run after he was appointed for the first time, and his tactical knowledge is lacking, to put it mildly. He got an almost 1 Billion team, his team, repeatedly trashed when everyone expected a title challenge, with two of his most expensive signings permanently on the bench. He also didn't come across as particularly astute on the transfer market. So how would he fare in a club with much, much more limited budget and players in a cut-throat league? Why would any club in the PL take that risk?
His reputation as a manager in the PL, which wasn't great since Cardiff, took a tremendous hit from which he'll need years and a better CV to recover. If he wants to manage in England again, that is.
Wouldn't think so but he could be a candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize!
Because other worse managers who have done even worse have been hired. So will he be
Ole himself got a premier league job before United, or Molde. He had done nothing.
I think going practical here might help this debate? It’s 29 November and….
Case 1: you own Burnley and have a mighty bust up with Dyche because of different opinions about surviving chances without relevant signings in January, so that you sack him with massive regret. Would you hire Ole?
Case 2: you own Leeds and Bielsa’s project has gone awry, players are massively fed up and relegation starts appearing a realistic outcome, without a clear address. Would you hire Ole?
Case 3: you own Brighton and Potter unexpectedly resigns to go to, say, Leicester because Rodgers is going to, say, … . Would you hire Ole?
Similar cases might be made for Championship clubs, if you like this game. Where the buck stops, then? Which club YOU own would do better by replacing their current manager with Solskjaer??
Case 1: you own Burnley and have a mighty bust up with Dyche because of different opinions about surviving chances without relevant signings in January, so that you sack him with massive regret. Would you hire Ole?
Case 2: you own Leeds and Bielsa’s project has gone awry, players are massively fed up and relegation starts appearing a realistic outcome, without a clear address. Would you hire Ole?
Case 3: you own Brighton and Potter unexpectedly resigns to go to, say, Leicester because Rodgers is going to, say, … . Would you hire Ole?
Similar cases might be made for Championship clubs, if you like this game. Where the buck stops, then? Which club YOU own would do better by replacing their current manager with Solskjaer??
No he doesn't need to, with his pay off. And I don't think it would benefit him, a easier league maybe in Europe .
The poll is a bit ambiguously titled. If it means ‘directly after this’ it’s almost certainly no imo.
But if it literally means after as in ever, I’d be tempted to vote yes. Because if there was one thing we should all know by now is that it is not a good idea to write off a supersub extraordinaire who saw innumerable, improbable comebacks as our manager.
I would dispute some of the ‘positives’ you cited though. Working with youth, so greenwood basically? Arguably best academy player in a generation. Who else? We saw sancho and dvb, two of the best youth prospects in the world get frozen out. Didn’t see Elanga or Diallo get a look in.
Good man manager to some players but relied on favourites and I can imagine there was tension within the squad.
Fair point other managers in the league also have limitations.
I still think combination of too nice / too tactically adrift isn’t a combination that would be tempting for many clubs, especially those working under threat of relegation and with small budget. Will be interesting to see what he ends up doing.
To be fair to him I think he would have happily traded a 20-year managerial career for 3 years at United, a club he genuinly loves, any day of the week. He's a smart guy, he was already stagnating at Molde and he definitely knew it could end like this. I can see him taking a break for a while, he has done a lot in his career already
if he wants it i think he will. clear he is able to put together a good counter attacking team, which could suit many smaller clubs well.
Every opposition fan was cheering Ole at the wheel, it has become a running joke. Without resources and being protected as a past legend he will get around couple of months to produce results. I can’t see him having the acumen to manage a lower placed PL side considering how competitive the league is.
but that is very, very small chance that will happen as there are hundreds of more talented managers around to challenge him for that position.
You pour half a billion, what should your expectations be?
the likes of Lukaku are sitting at the top of the table and in the meantime won Serie A.
if you change Ole with Klopp - same United/Pool team as of now, which one will be challenging?
If you mean he punched above his weight (managerial expertise) because he is a shite manager - sure. He managed to fool a lot of people for a lot of time.
on the other hand if you are Watford or Leeds in their current position in the table and looking at Oles resume - I wouldn’t touch him with a Bluetooth.. and I’m pretty sure most owners will think the same way.
He got a job when he hadnt had a great first run of games as united manager getting him the permanent job, or doing well at Molde. He had done nothing and got the Cardiff job.
Now hes done something. Something that hasnt been good enough for a club wanting to challenge for the title, but far better than most managers at the bottom premier league clubs have done
He won the league and was a young manager, that's why he got the Cardiff job. He isn't that anymore.
The 2nd point doesn't make any sense. The resources at United are vastly different from any other club. What others will see is he had failed based on expectations at United and his team was humiliated on his way out for weeks.
No because its clear he hasn't improved anyone. Buying loads of players with no defined way of playing is folly.
That said, PL team Owners are idiots so who knows?
That said, PL team Owners are idiots so who knows?