Might take slightly more time to set the pressing, or? Rangnicks first problem will be how he handles the Ronaldo situation.
Will Ole get another PL job after this?
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Might take slightly more time to set the pressing, or? Rangnicks first problem will be how he handles the Ronaldo situation.
I don't see why he can't.
In the future he might, but he’ll have to go away and prove himself at a top-flight club somewhere before he gets close.
I don’t follow the Norway NT very closely but it seems to me he’s destined to be their manager, possibly for many years.
Ole couldn’t keep Cardiff up either
so I don’t get your point.He failed at the buttom and top end of the table in the premier league so no way he gets another job in the premier league.
Sadly for him I suspect not. The most damning thing about his reign wasn't that he failed, it was that he didn't appear to have any ideas in terms of how to manage the team. He managed by the recital of platitudes. How can another chairman look at his reign and think there’s anything in his skill set that could transfer into their club and make a difference.
Just print off some vacuous inspirational quotes like “Show passion” and “Do your magic” and stick them up around the training ground and you’ve saved £7.5m a year
Seeing how he spends huge money on players then pretends they don’t exist will be another red flag for owners
Just print off some vacuous inspirational quotes like “Show passion” and “Do your magic” and stick them up around the training ground and you’ve saved £7.5m a year
Seeing how he spends huge money on players then pretends they don’t exist will be another red flag for owners
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Please ask Ole to retake all his coaching badges and licenses.
Also, please ask him to take extra lessons from Ralf.
If that is, he still wants to stay in this business.
He is the poorest I have seen. Even Moyes is decent considering the modest budget he has been working with.
"Lads, go out and enjoy and express yourselves."
Also, please ask him to take extra lessons from Ralf.
If that is, he still wants to stay in this business.
He is the poorest I have seen. Even Moyes is decent considering the modest budget he has been working with.
"Lads, go out and enjoy and express yourselves."
Ole couldn’t keep Cardiff up either
He failed at the buttom and top end of the table in the premier league so no way he gets another job in the premier league.
No he couldnt, but again that was before he performed a miracle transformation at United during his first run of games at United with Mourinho's players. It was that which got him the United job. It'll get him a much lesser job too.
Would a small EPL side go for a manager who wasn't able to win even with a club like Manchester United, who got Cardiff relegated, who refuse to coach, whose tactics are non existent, who keeps hiring his mates and who fecks off to a holiday in a middle of a crisis?
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I doubt we will see him again in the PL. No top club will touch him for obvious reasons and smaller clubs won't go for him because he has no history of beeing good at avoiding relegation. The one job he had at that level with Cardiff, he failed.
Smaller clubs seem to go for upcoming, progressive managers or the usual experienced british line of managers. Ole is neither of those, so I don't really see some space for him.
Smaller clubs seem to go for upcoming, progressive managers or the usual experienced british line of managers. Ole is neither of those, so I don't really see some space for him.
In my opinion he should go to Holland or Scotland and manage there. His links with United should provide him with some top talent on the cheap or via loan. That could give him a competitive advantage over the other managers. If Ole can win a trophy or two there then maybe he can get a job in the EPL.
I doubt he would even want another EPL gig tbh....he steadied the ship at United but didn't do anything amazing while spending a lot, at the other end he got relegated with Cardiff. Can't imagine he'd do much with a mid-table team. He didn't really improve United, in 2 of his 3 seasons we finished with a points total in the mid 60's, last year 8 points better with 74. United not having any distinctive style despite him being in charge for 3 years would probably put teams off hiring him.
His best bet is to go manage in scotland with rangers or Celtic to help try and get another epl job.
I was one of the few who wanted him out from his first day in charge, but it s ridiculous to suggest a manager with 3 years of top table experience would not even be in consideration for a premier league club.
Whether we like it or not Ole up until this year beat all expectations most had of him. And his last couple months implosion means little for smaller teams. Few small teams will have a problem getting the best out of the likes of CR7 and Sancho.
Overall decent job. Went to the crapper when superstars joined. CP, Burnley and the likes should be in his sights
Whether we like it or not Ole up until this year beat all expectations most had of him. And his last couple months implosion means little for smaller teams. Few small teams will have a problem getting the best out of the likes of CR7 and Sancho.
Overall decent job. Went to the crapper when superstars joined. CP, Burnley and the likes should be in his sights
He badly needs to go away and study the tactical side of football and pay attention to the details. His theory and basic understanding of what's happening on the pitch is nonexistent, and frankly his platitudes and vibes talk will wear very thin, very quickly at other clubs, where he won't have the luxury of getting a free ride for being a former player.
Without that tactical knowledge to build a functional team that plays an effective style consistently, he's always going to fall short.
Without that tactical knowledge to build a functional team that plays an effective style consistently, he's always going to fall short.
What situation?
The situation were without him we'd be out of the champions league as well?
The situation is that he is a decent and world class striker in the world and saved us several times this year. But when we are defending, we look like 9 field men defending system. Yes, you cannot expect a 36 years old player pressing every time, but the facts is 10 field men shall be pressed as a machine nowadays from striker to GK.
Yes but not all team press with all outfield players. Players won't press if coach has no idea how to implement it or if the coach doesn't set up to press as a team.
But that is the problem - he might have beat expectations that were specifically lowered for him. If you take a big picture of each season - no way he beat expectations of a United manager. At best, he achieved the very minimum of expectations and even that is questionable due to total absence of trophies (which used to be an extremely important measure here until a portion of a fanbase moved the goalposts for Ole and started advertising 2nd and 3rd place finishes as some great achievement).
2018-2019 - great run and night in Paris, but started 6th and finished 6th and handily beat by Barca. Overall - ok record for caretaker, but not much more.
2019-2020 - for any United manager the very minimum expectation would be top-4 and good run in cups. He barely achieved it - we snatched top-4 in the last day, being 33 points from top, 15 points off second and level with 4th. And this 3rd place finish has continuously been mentioned in defense of Ole as if it was a comfortable top-4 finish. It wasn't. FA Cup and Europa we made semis which is ok but we had easy runs in both of them - beat AZ, Partisan, Astana, LASK, Brugge and Copenhagen in EL and Wolves, Tranmere, Derby and Norwich in FA Cup. Beat by first serious opponents in both competitions. Overall, minimum expectations barely achieved. Anything just a bit worse would be a disappointing season.
2020-2021 - again, for any United manager the very minimum expectation would be to improve on points and be not far away from the title plus win a cup or have a good CL run. In the League I would say we achieved minimum expectation (although influenced by the dire state of most of the rivals). Crashed out of CL group, and did not win any cups, although you can argue made EL final and beat some good teams. Overall - again, I would say minimum expectations barely achieved at best.
2021-2022 - crashed.
Yes, small teams do not have CR7 and Sancho "problem", but they have the problem of having to overachieve on limited budget and limited player quality, which must be compensated by good coaching/tactics to get decent results. So far in his career, Ole has not shown anything suggesting he can do it. He always mostly relied on large budgets and individual player quality. But will be very interesting if he can reinvent himself in a smaller club. I hope so, I do not enjoy people being unsuccessful and stressed for all my anti-Ole rhetoric
But he would be a huge risk for a small club.Dont forget he also admitted he doesnt coach not refuse, so on that alone most will say 'i'm out'
I doubt he would want it, not just now anyway.
I suspect Ole only chanced his arm because United was 'his club'; remember he was only supposed to be an interim appointment, stepping into the job to raise the spirits and rekindle the so called DNA...but everyone got carried away.
Good luck to Ole whatever he does, wouldn't surprise me if he's back with his previous club Molde FK next season.
I suspect Ole only chanced his arm because United was 'his club'; remember he was only supposed to be an interim appointment, stepping into the job to raise the spirits and rekindle the so called DNA...but everyone got carried away.
Good luck to Ole whatever he does, wouldn't surprise me if he's back with his previous club Molde FK next season.
Fair enough, I just disagree with your point about smaller teams needing to have over achieving managers.But that is the problem - he might have beat expectations that were specifically lowered for him. If you take a big picture of each season - no way he beat expectations of a United manager. At best, he achieved the very minimum of expectations and even that is questionable due to total absence of trophies (which used to be an extremely important measure here until a portion of a fanbase moved the goalposts for Ole and started advertising 2nd and 3rd place finishes as some great achievement).
2018-2019 - great run and night in Paris, but started 6th and finished 6th and handily beat by Barca. Overall - ok record for caretaker, but not much more.
2019-2020 - for any United manager the very minimum expectation would be top-4 and good run in cups. He barely achieved it - we snatched top-4 in the last day, being 33 points from top, 15 points off second and level with 4th. And this 3rd place finish has continuously been mentioned in defense of Ole as if it was a comfortable top-4 finish. It wasn't. FA Cup and Europa we made semis which is ok but we had easy runs in both of them - beat AZ, Partisan, Astana, LASK, Brugge and Copenhagen in EL and Wolves, Tranmere, Derby and Norwich in FA Cup. Beat by first serious opponents in both competitions. Overall, minimum expectations barely achieved. Anything just a bit worse would be a disappointing season.
2020-2021 - again, for any United manager the very minimum expectation would be to improve on points and be not far away from the title plus win a cup or have a good CL run. In the League I would say we achieved minimum expectation (although influenced by the dire state of most of the rivals). Crashed out of CL group, and did not win any cups, although you can argue made EL final and beat some good teams. Overall - again, I would say minimum expectations barely achieved at best.
2021-2022 - crashed.
Yes, small teams do not have CR7 and Sancho "problem", but they have the problem of having to overachieve on limited budget and limited player quality, which must be compensated by good coaching/tactics to get decent results. So far in his career, Ole has not shown anything suggesting he can do it. He always mostly relied on large budgets and individual player quality. But will be very interesting if he can reinvent himself in a smaller club. I hope so, I do not enjoy people being unsuccessful and stressed for all my anti-Ole rhetoric
Over achieving managers get swept up by bigger clubs, and either they succeed or they don't. Quality normalises over time, which is why the likes of Bruce, Dyche... keep getting jobs. They are proven 6/10 quality, or on the whereabouts.
Ole s job at United, as average as it can be considered with United, raised his profile.
Happens with players too, I'd expect Lingard is around the same Level as a Buendia, but only one of them is considered average by the average football fans. And yet Lingard would find himself at a higher club level than Buendia were he to move ( I'd see the likes of Arsenal/Tottenham/Leicester going for him, potentially even higher team caliber if he is willing to fulfill a squad role).
Would Smalling/ Young be at Roma had they been playing for Crystal Palace ?
Might be talking out me arse but I'm sure top level experience, even resulting in failure, raises a player/manager s profile and their experience on the top level can potentially carry through in terms of improving standards and professional practices.
The man coached Roashford, Greenwood, Bruno and Shaw successfully. Not up to the united level, definetly, but think he d have learnt a lot and can carry thaat to lower level players
Ole can make a career as a motivational speaker. I doubt there is a board stupid enough to employ him. But you never know.
Moyes had years of goodwill of managing and keeping a mid table team. Yet he struggled to shake off united curse. I am happy for him that he is now having a good run with WH. Ole will find it way more difficult to come back like that.
Moyes had years of goodwill of managing and keeping a mid table team. Yet he struggled to shake off united curse. I am happy for him that he is now having a good run with WH. Ole will find it way more difficult to come back like that.
exactly especially since Ole had proven that he has a tendency of hiring his (incompetent) mates as coaches. So you have a manager who hires incompetent coaches and can't be arsed seeing if they are doing a good job.
I dont think we will see him manage any club again
may give his country a go if they come calling
may give his country a go if they come calling
Yep. He loved the title more than he liked doing the actual job.
He looked like he’d gone a bit bananas in his exit video the other day. Talking about how many friends he’d made and how “that’s what this club’s all about”. How he “thinks the world of Carrick” and “can leave through the front door”. All topped off with the waterworks as well.
No chance anyone will employ him in the Premier League. He looks like he could do with a break, he can certainly afford one…
No chance anyone will employ him in the Premier League. He looks like he could do with a break, he can certainly afford one…
If you were a smaller PL club and had a choice between for example Chris Wilder, Dean Smith and Ole, I know who my third choice would be….
He probably won't be first choice for a PL job but he might be lucky and pick up a job mid-season after a sacking.
Pretty damning on Ole these comments from Klopp. Almost confirms the likes of Klopp really didn't consider us a threat under Ole
The situation, wich gave Ole a lot of problems, that with Ronaldo in the team he couldn´t mantain his most succesful strategy - quick counter-attacking. As well as an unbalanced pressing system which as we know will be a main thing Rangnick. I didn´t define Ronaldo himself as a problem, but it´s a quite established question how Rangnick will deal with Ronaldo´s role.