So, spent £60m on Bruno in January, Seems pointedly obvious to me why managers at the bottom of the premier league haven’t done things like that.
Will Ole get another PL job after this?
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So, spent £60m on Bruno in January, Seems pointedly obvious to me why managers at the bottom of the premier league haven’t done things like that.
Difference at United is that he had world class players to cop him out producing moments of magic. He doesn’t have that comfort at a lowe placed side. On top of that his transfer record is hit and miss and owners will also see how he did with VdB and Sancho and they would be a massive worry.
besides there are plenty of better and more experienced managers around, why would you choose Ole? I mean look at the relegation battlers -they have Ranieri, Dean Smith, Dyche, Frank.. Ole is not better than any of those managers. If you turn to Europe there are many others that are much better than himand even without a job now..
don’t really know what type of club profile I should look at that would be interested in him.. Maybe Norway and the NT team.
Nobody does have that at low clubs. But nobody thinks the relegation scrapping managers could have a run like Ole did when he first came in at United if they were at United either. Clubs will take a gamble that they get the Ole we got at first rather than the one we finished with
Yes, because they wouldnt have been hired full time after having a caretaker job because they wouldnt have outperformed Mourinho with his own players
Needs to prove himself somewhere else for a bottom PL club to hire him. I have my doubts that he will be successful, so no, i dont see him in the PL. He also didn't come back after Cardiff to any non United PL team, wont come back now. You need more than cliches and romanticism nowadays to be successful.
There are many examples of poor coaches getting runs like that at numerous clubs. No one will look at Ole only based on handful of games. There is a special attachment between him and the club and this is the reason why he didn’t get fired couple of months in..
Which club do you reckon could gamble on him?
We looked at him based on his run of games and gave him a big contract.
Yes other clubs will look to that and his time at Molde when deciding over whether to offer him a job. Because thats what you might get under the right circumstances and they're going to be hopeful they make the right choice
Tactics don't matter there then???
He didn’t exactly pull trees at Molde from his second stint on. They became champions in his absence, then he finished 6th and 5th and they won the league again under different manager when he left.
I wouldn’t put that on my resume tbh if I’m applying for a job in PL.
It’s like having first job at McDonald’s on your CV when applying for a position as NASA pilot..
They certainly matter less... Look at Southgate
For all his faults Ole can
a) create a good feeling around a place, and has some man - management skills that could help him in an international setting
And
B) Set up an underdog team to counter.
Thus at a middling European nation I think he could find some success.
I can see why it would appeal to Zidane then
I would imagine that Norway would be the only international job he would get and if that comes up then good luck to him.
Why not? In the pace of EPL clubs sacking their manager, they will have to hire ANYONE with a license. Even Chelsea will have to consider Ole at some point, unless they recycle their bin.
Based on the history of PL club board decisions, then yes he has every chance because they make all sorts of strange choices.
Based on his 'ability' of what we've (not) seen, in my opinion any club with a good footballing structure in place worth it salt would look elsewhere before he comes into the equation.
Based on his 'ability' of what we've (not) seen, in my opinion any club with a good footballing structure in place worth it salt would look elsewhere before he comes into the equation.
Was just trying to be nice to Ole but I agree with your every word. Ole never learn. I was so fxing angry with the EL final. Unforgivable performance from the coach team.
Let’s just say, he inherited a squad that would cost at least 600-800m, and he further spend another 500m on it. And he has easily the 2nd biggest squad in the league, and probably among top 3 in Europe. And his best team got totally outplayed and schooled by the likes of Watford, Young Boys etc (let’s not mentioned City or Liverpool, who could beat us easily with their 2nd or 3rd team)
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The amount of space those BL defences leave behind, from top to bottom would be like cat nip to Ole and his counters.
Just because they press doesn't mean they're tactically proficient.
If a manager who finished above 18 of his contemporaries in his league just 6 months ago can't get another job in said league then that's a bit of a paradox, I must say.
He had a better league record in terms of league finishes than Rodgers did at Pool, and it didn't stop the latter from eventually landing on his feet at Leicester.
The external perception of Ole is far worse than the reality, and it's really quite sad how so many of you in this thread are struck with recency bias considering he had us top of said league in only January of this year...
He had a better league record in terms of league finishes than Rodgers did at Pool, and it didn't stop the latter from eventually landing on his feet at Leicester.
The external perception of Ole is far worse than the reality, and it's really quite sad how so many of you in this thread are struck with recency bias considering he had us top of said league in only January of this year...
The problem with B) is that we don't know whether he can do it without the benefit of having quality players. We had some good counterattacking matches against big teams in 19/20, but the quality of our players was still comparable or not far from them - and our results against big teams have gotten worse over time...
Whether Ole can successfully overachieve with a club with, say, league average squad and league average resources or qualify for a top tournament with a country with European average pool of players - is a huge question. Only time that he had a comparable experience was at Cardiff and we all know how it ended.
Let's see, hopefully he can reinvent himself, learn lessons and have a successful stint somewhere. But I think that unfortunately Norway national team/Championship/some non-top Belgian/Dutch/Scandinavian team is the best he can hope for as the next job. Recruitment of coaches has become a lot more professional in top leagues, especially premier league. CEOs from other top leagues would look at Moyes and Neville as negative examples. Maybe he can leverage his network and ability to attract good players on loan/permanently but it would be enough to get a job at a non-top-5 league only, in my view.
He probably will but shouldn't!! If I hear the phrase "the boys have been fantastic" once more!!!
The lads… passion.. on the front foot
I think he can do a good job for clubs like Everton, Southampton, Wolves, Aston Villa and some such. He creates a great atmosphere but requires the right staff to work alongside him because he trusts in his staff a lot like Scholes recently mentioned.
Ole is your typical chequebook manager which is why none of the middle/lower league clubs will be interested in him. To confound things even more, the more he spends the worse he becomes which is why no way in a million years a top European league team will ever be interested in him.
Rodgers has done a far better job at Leicester keeping them relevant after selling their best players year after year. Is his cycle coming to an end ? Possibly but Rodgers definitely won't be short of any job offers if he does leave. Rumours are one of the worlds biggest clubs are interested in him. He must be doing something right.
Article about Solskjaer’s as Cardiff manager from 2014, after he got them relegated and had them 17th in the championship, if written today you’d think it was about his Man Utd reign, pasted some key parts. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport...ws/ole-gunnar-solskjaers-cardiff-city-7786419
Cardiff, under Solskjaer, appear confused, chaotic, and clueless
Vincent Tan has spent a fortune on giving his Norwegian boss what, on paper at least, looks by far the strongest squad in the Championship
They lack as much shape, pattern and tactical consistency today as they did when Solskjaer first entered the fray as manager
He keeps playing Gunnarsson in the 10 role. Aron has many strengths, being a midfield warrior one of them, but he isn’t, and never will be, a creative footballer
So what on earth was the point of signing Kagisho Dikgacoi, Tom Adeyemi and Guido Burtgstaller in the summer?
When he first came into the job, Solskjaer pledged an adventurous, free-flowing brand of football to wow the fans. He wanted ball-playing centre-backs……..What we saw in the second half was lump it up to Kenwyne Jones route one rubbish. A style totally alien to Manga and Cala
Solskjaer has presided over some utterly abject Cardiff display at home and Middlesbrough was every bit as bad as the Bluebirds crashing to Hull and Crystal Palace
One thing he was wrong about
When Solskjaer breezed in, huge reputation coming with him, there were suggestions that if pulled up trees with Cardiff, he could become a future Manchester United manager.
After his work here, Solskjaer has even less chance than David Moyes of going back to Old Trafford.
So who knows maybe Ole might end up replacing Tunchel someday or help the Barca rebuild if Xavi flops.
Cardiff, under Solskjaer, appear confused, chaotic, and clueless
Vincent Tan has spent a fortune on giving his Norwegian boss what, on paper at least, looks by far the strongest squad in the Championship
They lack as much shape, pattern and tactical consistency today as they did when Solskjaer first entered the fray as manager
He keeps playing Gunnarsson in the 10 role. Aron has many strengths, being a midfield warrior one of them, but he isn’t, and never will be, a creative footballer
So what on earth was the point of signing Kagisho Dikgacoi, Tom Adeyemi and Guido Burtgstaller in the summer?
When he first came into the job, Solskjaer pledged an adventurous, free-flowing brand of football to wow the fans. He wanted ball-playing centre-backs……..What we saw in the second half was lump it up to Kenwyne Jones route one rubbish. A style totally alien to Manga and Cala
Solskjaer has presided over some utterly abject Cardiff display at home and Middlesbrough was every bit as bad as the Bluebirds crashing to Hull and Crystal Palace
One thing he was wrong about
When Solskjaer breezed in, huge reputation coming with him, there were suggestions that if pulled up trees with Cardiff, he could become a future Manchester United manager.
After his work here, Solskjaer has even less chance than David Moyes of going back to Old Trafford.
So who knows maybe Ole might end up replacing Tunchel someday or help the Barca rebuild if Xavi flops.
You're assuming Ole can coach a team to be defensively compact and know their roles on and off the ball to be able to take advantage of high pressing tactics or teams who leave space behind (who are likely to be on the front foot regarding possession/pitch management).
That's a big if when he won't have far superior players at his disposal. From his body of work, it's based on blind faith more than anything else.
Article about Solskjaer’s as Cardiff manager from 2014, after he got them relegated and had them 17th in the championship, if written today you’d think it was about his Man Utd reign, pasted some key parts. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport...ws/ole-gunnar-solskjaers-cardiff-city-7786419
Cardiff, under Solskjaer, appear confused, chaotic, and clueless
Vincent Tan has spent a fortune on giving his Norwegian boss what, on paper at least, looks by far the strongest squad in the Championship
They lack as much shape, pattern and tactical consistency today as they did when Solskjaer first entered the fray as manager
He keeps playing Gunnarsson in the 10 role. Aron has many strengths, being a midfield warrior one of them, but he isn’t, and never will be, a creative footballer
So what on earth was the point of signing Kagisho Dikgacoi, Tom Adeyemi and Guido Burtgstaller in the summer?
When he first came into the job, Solskjaer pledged an adventurous, free-flowing brand of football to wow the fans. He wanted ball-playing centre-backs……..What we saw in the second half was lump it up to Kenwyne Jones route one rubbish. A style totally alien to Manga and Cala
Solskjaer has presided over some utterly abject Cardiff display at home and Middlesbrough was every bit as bad as the Bluebirds crashing to Hull and Crystal Palace
One thing he was wrong about
When Solskjaer breezed in, huge reputation coming with him, there were suggestions that if pulled up trees with Cardiff, he could become a future Manchester United manager.
After his work here, Solskjaer has even less chance than David Moyes of going back to Old Trafford.
So who knows maybe Ole might end up replacing Tunchel someday or help the Barca rebuild if Xavi flops.
Weird how people here were expecting him to change or improve by time or something. This article made it clear he has always been that kind of manager. He would have never improved.
The article was completely wrong. He did become the Manager of Manchester United after all the chaos at Cardiff. It shows how incompetent Manchester United are.
And yet, even then, so many people looking at United from the outside were not impressed at all.
Please stop Ole bashing. I can understand if he was still our manager but that chapter is now over. Let's move on.
He would be mad to go for another PL club. Talking about his family situation in the last interview, they seem to be more settled in Norway so I'm sure he'll go back there and enjoy his pay off.
If asked to get top 4, what transfer budget he requires. He'll probably say that he needs at least £500M.
And to achieve this great feat, he needs an elite level coaching team - Carrick, Phelan, McKenna and Fletcher.
Indeed.
And he doesn't need to work anymore. He can basically pick and choose the best job that works for him and his family. I think the Norway National job might be good for him.
The Ole cultists can fck right off, he was a terrible manager and never qualified to be given the job in the first place.
Article about Solskjaer’s as Cardiff manager from 2014, after he got them relegated and had them 17th in the championship, if written today you’d think it was about his Man Utd reign, pasted some key parts. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport...ws/ole-gunnar-solskjaers-cardiff-city-7786419
Cardiff, under Solskjaer, appear confused, chaotic, and clueless
Vincent Tan has spent a fortune on giving his Norwegian boss what, on paper at least, looks by far the strongest squad in the Championship
They lack as much shape, pattern and tactical consistency today as they did when Solskjaer first entered the fray as manager
He keeps playing Gunnarsson in the 10 role. Aron has many strengths, being a midfield warrior one of them, but he isn’t, and never will be, a creative footballer
So what on earth was the point of signing Kagisho Dikgacoi, Tom Adeyemi and Guido Burtgstaller in the summer?
When he first came into the job, Solskjaer pledged an adventurous, free-flowing brand of football to wow the fans. He wanted ball-playing centre-backs……..What we saw in the second half was lump it up to Kenwyne Jones route one rubbish. A style totally alien to Manga and Cala
Solskjaer has presided over some utterly abject Cardiff display at home and Middlesbrough was every bit as bad as the Bluebirds crashing to Hull and Crystal Palace
One thing he was wrong about
When Solskjaer breezed in, huge reputation coming with him, there were suggestions that if pulled up trees with Cardiff, he could become a future Manchester United manager.
After his work here, Solskjaer has even less chance than David Moyes of going back to Old Trafford.
So who knows maybe Ole might end up replacing Tunchel someday or help the Barca rebuild if Xavi flops.
It's scary how eerily similar all that is to his time at United. He is very good at saying things that others want to hear and you have to give him that.
He won’t get another job at PL level because he’d be too much of a risk. The financial stakes in PL for any club are just too high - especially in the lower half of the table. Clubs want coaches with proven success (keeping them from relegation or midtable) and his track record does not suggest he’d be able to have any success at that.
I know the Manchester United job makes managers age quickly due to the stress. But this is crazy stuff...
The problem with this exercise is that no one on here knows the thought process by which club management select coaches. By this logic, Moyes was done after Sociedad.
I'm not sure how anyone can be so sure of this. Like someone has mentioned in this thread, worse managers have been appointed at different tiers in the PL. Regardless of the abject end to his tenure at United, he has some bright spots that may persuade a chairman or two to give him a chance. A
He fails so tragically at Cardiff it should have been a red flag. A very big red flag.
I dont think expecting him for top 6 or 8 is realistic but a good manager can analyze the squad better and given his resources he could have bolstered the defence, keep it tight and hit safety. But even in championship he failed badly.
What on earth do we think by hiring him.
I dont think expecting him for top 6 or 8 is realistic but a good manager can analyze the squad better and given his resources he could have bolstered the defence, keep it tight and hit safety. But even in championship he failed badly.
What on earth do we think by hiring him.
You overestimate the common sense of football boards. There will always be someone desperate/clueless enough.
I mean the Glazers and Woodward, board of a big club like Manchester United are lamented on here as clueless. Surely all round Europe there would be some clubs with similar boards.