Wilfried Zaha

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Ekeke said:
Yes Clyne who everyone was 100% convinced we'll sign last summer. Even had posts about Palace insiders saying it'll happen.

It didnt happen. So why you think Zaha, who was less impressive against us, and theres much less "evidence" to suggest he's signing for us, will be transfered I dont know.
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My Palace supporting friend was convince Clyne was going to sign for us aswell, He was one of the best fullbacks in the Championship at the time and had play something like over a hundred games for Palace. Seemed like a Fergie type signing, he's not really shone in the PL though so far, get's caught out quite a bit (my friend reckons that it's because in the Championship he normally could use his pace to get back into position, but not so much in the PL as it's alot quicker).

I really hope we don't sign Zaha though, I may be completely wrong but if we do I can see him being sold to someone like Everton for 5m down the line.
 
Quinton Fortune said:
What I understand about the Clyne transfer, I have reasonable links with people at Southampton, is that he had an offer to join Man Utd last year which was agreed upon by both sides. However the agent backtracked and asked for more money after they had agreed personal terms, the deal couldn't be signed until the summer anyway, and United reacted by telling him to do one and removed their offer.

Might not be the truth but its certainly what those I talk to seem to think happened.
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yeah right
 
Didn't Clyne mention in one his interviews that he picked S'ton over us as he wanted regular first team playing time?
 
No competition for his signature! It is amazing how all those top clubs who were chasing him have disappeared. I hope that we are not getting mugged by his agent.
 
Yeah, we should only go for players when other teams are involved. Our scouting department knows feck all.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Yeah, we should only go for players when other teams are involved. Our scouting department knows feck all.
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That was not my point.

Agents and selling clubs regularly use the media to gain advantage when moving players. I am curious as to why all the reported top clubs have pulled out of the race for a relatively cheap young English wonderkid.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
That was not my point.

Agents and selling clubs regularly use the media to gain advantage when moving players. I am curious as to why all the reported top clubs have pulled out of the race for a relatively cheap young English wonderkid.
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You seem to be suggesting that United may be "conned" into buying a player because the Sun says Chelsea, City and Spurs are in for him?

Strange. I'd suspect United have watched him many, many times before even considering paying good money for him - if indeed they do intend to buy the lad.

Football clubs know what goes on in the media and with agents. They'll take the speculation for what it is.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
That was not my point.

Agents and selling clubs regularly use the media to gain advantage when moving players. I am curious as to why all the reported top clubs have pulled out of the race for a relatively cheap young English wonderkid.
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Maybe Zaha only wanted a United move (if what is being reported is true). Surely after seeing what has happened to Johnson and Sinclair it could put off any player who actually wants to make a could career for himself rather than have one big wage for a couple of years before finding yourself offloaded. Plus we are a bigger club than Spurs, City and Arsenal.
 
Strange one, at one point, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and ourselves were interested, now its just Manchester United? I haven't seen one credible source yet, I am not saying this will not happen just that our interest in him is surely as concrete as the other teams that appear and disappear except the papers this time have decided we are fore front, probably because Zaha's friend had a United shirt on at the weekend or something trivial, journos...
 
Solius said:
He's good at that. Think young Nani.
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Is he really, Sol?

I keep hearing he is hit and run merchant but a young Nani would suggest that he is pretty adept at running with the ball at his feet. Does he stay at the touchline or likes to cut in? How is his crossing? Adept with both feet?
 
I haven't seen too much of him, but from what I have he seems to prefer to cut inside. Looks decent on both feet too. Not sure about his crossing.

Good in tight spaces as well I think.
 
Jaybezia said:
Strange one, at one point, Liverpool, City, Arsenal, Tottenham, Chelsea and ourselves were interested, now its just Manchester United? I haven't seen one credible source yet, I am not saying this will not happen just that our interest in him is surely as concrete as the other teams that appear and disappear except the papers this time have decided we are fore front, probably because Zaha's friend had a United shirt on at the weekend or something trivial, journos...
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If you ask me: I think that the stories are coming out of Palace. If you read the Independent story there is so much details for all the clubs. There is no way that the journalist would be getting so much detail and reasoning from the different clubs. Then you have all the details of Palaces demands for the transfer. I am skeptical if all the reported interest is genuine. I think that Palace are bullshitting their way on this one.

He is nothing like Nani either, think a very poor mans Ronaldo and you have a good match.
 
Forevergiggs said:
Is he really, Sol?

I keep hearing he is hit and run merchant but a young Nani would suggest that he is pretty adept at running with the ball at his feet. Does he stay at the touchline or likes to cut in? How is his crossing? Adept with both feet?
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From what I have seen his crossing is not the finished article, but with something such as crossing, I have never really seen that as a 'non learnable' talent, like dribbling at your feet would be if you wasn't naturally that way orrientated.

I think he could improve his crossing, but from what I have seen he does seem fairly average at that. But his strong points are that he is very quick, can dribble well with the ball close to him and something I like about a player his age, when he runs, his head is up, not buried to the floor looking for the corner sport, he is quite intelligent with his runs on/off the ball.
 
Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
If you ask me: I think that the stories are coming out of Palace. If you read the Independent story there is so much details for all the clubs. There is no way that the journalist would be getting so much detail and reasoning from the different clubs.
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I have a feeling of this also, there is no smoke without fire says the old saying, however, I have no doubt we have AN interest, as we do with many other top young talented players, but I haven't seen or heard anything substantial so as much as I can talk about the player, his potential etc, I still believe our interest in him is not enough to warrant 12million, but again, that's as much truth as the journo's have, its all speculation.
 
We have been very highly linked to Zaha this month, especially so the last couple of days, yet nobody seems that arsed here. In the summer, when we were linked with anyone this much, everyone went hyper.

Is it a January thing? Because football is still on, transfers aren't as important?

Or is it just that nobody is overly excited about Zaha?

(third time i've written that out. damn internet)
 
Solius said:
He's good at that. Think young Nani.
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A young Nani you say...

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LawCharltonBest said:
We have been very highly linked to Zaha this month, especially so the last couple of days, yet nobody seems that arsed here. In the summer, when we were linked with anyone this much, everyone went hyper.

Is it a January thing? Because football is still on, transfers aren't as important?

Or is it just that nobody is overly excited about Zaha?

(third time i've written that out. damn internet)
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I've seen very little of him, so I can't really get excited about a player that I know next to nothing about!
 
LawCharltonBest said:
We have been very highly linked to Zaha this month, especially so the last couple of days, yet nobody seems that arsed here. In the summer, when we were linked with anyone this much, everyone went hyper.

Is it a January thing? Because football is still on, transfers aren't as important?

Or is it just that nobody is overly excited about Zaha?

(third time i've written that out. damn internet)
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It's a mixture of scepticism of the press rumours and not really knowing much about the player, I'd say.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
We have been very highly linked to Zaha this month, especially so the last couple of days, yet nobody seems that arsed here. In the summer, when we were linked with anyone this much, everyone went hyper.

Is it a January thing? Because football is still on, transfers aren't as important?

Or is it just that nobody is overly excited about Zaha?

(third time i've written that out. damn internet)
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Depends on if you believe Fergie 100% or not. Plus, it's not a position we are desperate for a new signing for, e.g. Sneijder (last year) or backup left back (pre-Buttner).
 
I just don't think that he is that good and I don't want us to sign him. We have more than enough English players.
 
I posed the question, but I guess for me it would have to be that we have a lot of players in those positions. I don't want game time taken away from the likes of Welbeck, and I certainly don't want Nani sold for him. That would be a step back.
 
I guess the lack of quality young English players coupled by the fact that we have recently signed a horde of 'promising' players which proved to be a failure (Diouf, Bebe, Tosic, Bebe, Miller (have I mentioned Bebe?)) has taken its toil over our supporters perception regarding our scouts credibility.
 
Rafael, Fabio, Rooney, Jones, Smalling, Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Powell, Hernandez
 
devilish said:
I guess the lack of quality young English players coupled by the fact that we have recently signed a horde of 'promising' players which proved to be a failure (Diouf, Bebe, Tosic, Bebe, Miller (have I mentioned Bebe?)) has taken its toil over our supporters perception regarding our scouts credibility.
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I dont think its the scouts who are being looked at by us in here, though.
 
JakeC said:
Rafael, Fabio, Rooney, Jones, Smalling, Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson, Powell, Hernandez
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Rafael - good player
Fabio - sick note
Rooney - 22m signing
Jones - jury is still out (our defense still look shit without Vidic-Rio in their prime)
Smalling - jury is still out (our defense still look shit without Vidic-Rio in their prime)
Ronaldo - wonderful player
Nani - meh, great talent/poor decision making
Anderson - sick note and jury is still out. If he shites on Fabregas then Bush is Jesus reincarnated
Powell - still a kid
Hernandez - great striker but we still ended up signing RVP.
 
devilish said:
Rafael - good player
Fabio - sick note
Rooney - 22m signing
Jones - jury is still out
Smalling - jury is still out
Ronaldo - wonderful player
Nani - meh, great talent/poor decision making
Anderson - sick note and jury is still out
Powell - still a kid
Hernandez - great striker but we still ended up signing RVP.
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Haa, come on... Fabio? The boy is young and could turn it around and by good player, you mean RB sorted for a decade? and possibly LB if Fabio steps up

22m was the price, but is he not worth much more than that now? And Ronaldo alone was enough to prove that its worth what they are doing... Jones and Smalling it is clear for anyone to see are both very talented players and it would take something short of a miracle to justify their price tags, as they are not far off that already IMO with their current ability, Nani I cannot argue about but is still a brilliant player on top form, last season and before he had to be up there with best in PL. Powell, as you said time will tell, and Ando I cannot defend as much as I love him, what you said is true.

But JH's signing being almost seen negatively because of RVP's signing, I don't think it should come into account, completely seperate event. VP is a world star, and SAF wanted him because he was at a good price, not because JH wasn't living up, look at him this season after his first season, was he not linked to RM?
 
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Yeah we signed RVP because Hernandez isn't good enough, not because you need 4 strikers.

Miller? A recent signing? Really?
 
Jaybezia said:
Haa, come on... Fabio? The boy is young and could turn it around and by good player, you mean RB sorted for a decade? and possibly LB if Fabio steps up

22m was the price, but is he not worth much more than that now? And Ronaldo alone was enough to prove that its worth what they are doing... Jones and Smalling it is clear for anyone to see are both very talented players and it would take something short of a miracle to justify their price tags, as they are not far off that already IMO with their current ability, Nani I cannot argue about but is still a brilliant player on top form, last season and before he had to be up there with best in PL. Powell, as you said time will tell, and Ando I cannot defend as much as I love him, what you said is true.

But JH's signing being almost seen negatively because of RVP's signing, I don't think it should come into account, completely seperate event. VP is a world star, and SAF wanted him because he was at a good price, not because JH wasn't living up, look at him this season after his first season, was he not linked to RM?
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Im giving a snapshot of the player's current situation. He has all the time in the world to improve however, at this point in time he's yet to prove capable to withstand the EPL tough game let alone making it at United.

22m was quite a sum for a player. Prices has gone up since then but that happened at global level. Rooney's talent has nothing to do with it.

Hernandez was a steal. However it wasnt enough to sort the goalscoring issue for us. Last season we lost the league due to goals, hence the signing of RVP
 
Rooneys talent has nothing to do with his price.

We lost the league on goal difference which was somehow Hernandez fault, nothing to do with the £35 million flop who actually made way for RVP.

You never get any less ridiculous mate.
 
There are still real quality plYers from championship, lowly epl teams that potentially could develop into international stars. Fergie had plundered sharpey form torquay, plucked greening from lower leagues. Even keano was signed from relegated forest at a simalr age for a british record. Prob gutted to miss out on garett bale, chamberlain, Walcott. Hence, if fergie decides he can mKe the jump, why not Zaha? It's a gamble, and can be justified only many years later after the signing. And we are also lacking in wingers- young, nani (contract issues), Valencia (reaching 30 soon).
 
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