Wilfried Zaha
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Two words DJEMBA DJEMBA!
His point is still valid - they aren't Nostradamus but, their judgement is hardly questionable - if they want a player then they have reasons for it. What they see might not always pan out but, other than maybe Bebe, the staff do spend a lot of time checking players out.
Not to mention they've probably spent a lot more time than any one of us evaluating said players.
So, have we signed him yet?
If we do sign him I'll be excited to see how he develops. If we don't sign him I doubt I'll care. It's one of those ones where I'm not bothered either way, but if it were to happen I'd be interested to see what he could become.
I don't recall anyone being particularly upset over us signing Smalling, in truth most of us didn't even know who he was but the reaction in the thread following him in the 6 months before he played for us were mostly positive.
is he coming then?
Apparently 12m is a lot of money now?! Maybe thats the difference.
This is how I look at it too. I've only caught glimpses of Zaha, but if Fergie thinks he's got what it takes then I'm excited to see him come in. But if United is not his destiny and he goes to Arsenal or wherever then I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over it.
I do wish, however, we'd address a more pressing need first.
I think the main differences are that most here have seen him a few times and aren't impressed, plus a lot are worried he may be Nani's replacement.
Two words DJEMBA DJEMBA!
One word: BEBE
Surely Dong Fanshou is the winner by a clear mile?! He didn't score a single goal and has only scored about 3 goals since leaving United, and now he is playing for some 2nd division Chinese club i think.
...and probably sold a million shirts and won the club millions of new fans.
Not that much of a disaster.
Definitely not worried he'd be Nani's replacement, think its more likely he'd go out on loan and continue playing up front. I do think he can be a top player but maybe not anytime soon. The big concern should simply be that these stories are rubbish and we're talking about something that never actually happens. If it does happen, cool
Guardian are running with the exact same story now.
Would much rather sign Taarabt than Zaha.
Seems to be a lot of smoke around this one, I'm beginning to think that perhaps there really is a fire.
Taarabt is the ultimate highlights player. Extremely talented but neither intelligent enough, or with the work ethic to make it at the highest level I think.
12m for Zaha is ridiculous as well though given how little he's done, and how many players fail to show their potential after moving up a league. Even Tom Ince I would say is the better player despite being the same age, and even he I don't rate as a eventual top of the league kind of player.
We'll see of course and I may well be wrong, but i'll be interested to see how he does against much more intelligent and physically more able defenders. That'll take a lot of his advantage away.
I like him. He looks talented. Raw, but definitely talented. It would be interesting to see how he does in top flight football, but if he does well, he could form a good english base in our team for the future with Smalling, Jones, Welbeck, Powell and Cleverley
Interesting opinion.
Taarabt was great in the championship - and has been rubbish in the PL until the last three or so games.
Clearly very talentend but has issues. He shoudl spend more time actually doing it on the pitch that telling everyone how Barcelona and Real Madrid are depserate to sign him.
The fact is people are just speculating about the price. It's far more likely that any fee will be based on appearences and performances.
Anyone know what the Palace fans think of him? He looks raw but I don't know much about him so hopefully Fergie thinks he's got the right attitude to be a Manchester United player.
Last season he scored 2 goals from 88 shots. This season van Persie already has 16 goals from less shots and Hernández has four times as many goals from a third as many shots.
PL top scorers 12/13:
Van Persie - 16 goals in 74 shots; 21%
Suárez - 15 goals in 123 shots; 12%
Ba: 13 goals in 89 shots; 14%
Michu: 13 goals in 61 shots; 21%
Defoe: 10 goals in 86 shots; 12%
Dzeko: 9 goals in 42 shots; 21%
Bale: 9 goals in 69 shots; 13%
Hernández: 8 goals in 30 shots; 27%
Taraabt: 4 goals in 62 shots; 6%
When in doubt, get the shot percentages out.
Correct me if I am wrong. Isnt Taraabt a midfielder?
Does that matter? The comparison is goals to shots.
What is this supposed to signify?
From a pure statistical POV, you've pitted him against a bunch of strikers, forwards and Bale, who all play in far superior teams and have less need for hopeful punts and opportunistic strikes when contrasted with the dross surrounding Taraabt and the likelihood any goal he scores being the result of his own heroics or a speculative belter from 20+ yards out.
It should matter. For a myriad of reasons.
Comparing him to strikers is a rather spurious exercise. He creates more goal scoring chances for his teammates per game than all those players listed, which is his main remit. Do you think that he would take all those shots if he played for United?
So honestly who has seen Zaha play often?
How good is he or can he become?
How good is he or can he become?
Sir Alex says there is no truth.
Is he at least better than Saha?
It was just a copy + paste job from the Michu thread which was originally used to show how clinical he was in comparison to the rest of the top 8 scorers and I just threw Taraabt in there at the end. I figured Taraabt's ludicrous record of 6% said it all. He's a stupid and selfish player, that's the only point I was making and I think it's perfectly clear. He's being compared to strikers because he shoots as much as a striker. Suárez, Ba, Defoe, Bale and van Persie - they're the only ones to have more shots than Taraabt this season. If you want to compare him to others in his position you have:
Cazorla - 7 goals from 62 shots; 11%
Fellaini - 8 goals from 52 shots; 15%
Mata - 7 goals from 45 shots; 15%
Nolan - 5 goals from 47 shots; 11%
Ruiz - 3 goals from 25 shots; 12%
Weimann - 4 goals from 29 shots; 14%
Closest to him are Gaston Ramirez and Ben Arfa but they've both had half as many shots and they still have better ratios. I think Balotelli's the only one to average over 2 shots a game with a worse ratio than Taarabt - just the one goal from 34 shots this season.
Again, he creates more goal scoring opportunities than the players that you have compared him to, he can't be that stupid or selfish.
Really? All I thought he said was "nothing to tell you"
To be fair, while I don't particularly want either - Taarabt was head and shoulders above Zaha in the Championship, at a similar age. He has more natural ability too, but that hasn't translated into him taking the piss in the premier league.
As suspected Fergie has denied it (well kind of)
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...erguson-denies-deal-agreed-crystal-pala-1890?
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-n...erguson-denies-deal-agreed-crystal-pala-1890?
That's not how I remember the Smalling transfer.
I seem to recall there was a lot of negative comments surrounding the transfer, suggesting £10 million for a defender who'd barely played any matches in the Premier League was far too much. I also remember people complaining about why we hadn't spent that £10 million on a midfielder, if the money was there to be spent.
Haha that's no denial in SAF terms.
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