While I do believe Ole Gunnar Solskjaer in NOT good enough to bring success back to United there is little or no point sacking him at the moment because the problems within United go much further than him. If we sack Ole who picks his replacement? Is it Woodward who appointed Van Gaal, Mourinho and Ole ( assuming Moyes was picked before David Gill retired) not exactly a great track record, or will it be Murtough and Fletcher who both lacked the guts to push Ole into signing a decent CDM to solve a vital midfield position before lesser ones like right wing and center forward. This club, United need total restructuring of the football side, with people who know and understand the game not yes men trying to keep their bonuses. At the moment I am not convinced that those who would be given the task of picking the next manager are up to the job. If they where put in a pit full of oranges they would still pick a lemon. Let's cure the cancer before treating the symptoms
Why are United fans so oblivious to importance of good managers?
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Oblivious?
5 of the top 6 threads are all about replacing the manager.
By our fanbase but their last club stints would've suggested otherwise. Also, Jose's subsequent failure with Tottenham also suggests he was past it when we got him. Football tactics and management has evolved post pep and Klopp so, both of them were dianosours when we got them.
So I take it you were happy when we had LVG and Jose in charge at Utd as they would have the credentials you speak of?
Nope, I was happy with LVG appointment but wanted him gone after his second season and never wanted Jose because he played defensive football, same reason I don't want Conte now but would be okay with Rose or even Potter who has zero credentials compared to likes of LVG and Jose. I believe football tactics and managers become outdated after a while so, we should be looking at someone who plays modern attacking style of football. There is a place for defensive managers like Jose, Rafa and Conte but putting them in charge of good squad assembled at high cost like ours is a bit of a waste.
Like I have said many times since he got the job on a permanent basis too many are so misty eyed and sentimental
No
Not this shite again. Has already been discussed to death.
Yeah hearing the matchgoing fans always singing his name will just convince those yankee scumbags no need to change him
I dunno but it annoys the shite out of me when people start threads making out like they know best and it’s a lot of other people with the problem. I hope you can back up your opinion with naming these fans who think it’s Ole all the way regardless.
What the f*ck is this shite? Wanting to win games is entitlement?
Wanting more than 1 point from 6 at Home to Villa and Everton isn't entitlement.
Fans who can only read league position numbers talking about football knowledge. Absolute joke.
There were people singing Oles at the wheel at the game today despite the dismal performance.
Hold on!
Your thread is about coaches that have won multiple trophies in different leagues and yet you say you would be happy with Rose or Potter?
WTF have they won?
After the fact revisionism. Fergie knew for years he wanted Moyes to be his successor, as he saw much of himself in Moyes. He literally acted as a mentor throughout most of his career.
He may have half-heartedly 'tried' to get other candidates, but Fergie knew fine well that Moyes would be the only man in a position to take up his offer. Hell, he told Moyes not to renew his contract at Everton, and the reason for this seems rather obvious.
No doubt Fergie wanted to help Moyes the same way Jock Stein had helped him as a young manager.
No my thread is about footballing philosophy and tactics.
Spot on, Madrid have such a big advantage over everyone else in that league (except Barca of course) they could probably hire a monkey in a suit and they would still make top 4 where as recent history has shown, us missing out on CL is a very real possibility with the wrong manager.
Its also worth remembering, the PL right now might be as competetive as its ever been, with the two best managers in the world leading our biggest rivals and then Chelsea having arguably the 3rd best manager in the world. Its pretty brutal tbh
Ole is good at squad building and is a good man manager, but evidently is failing badly at the coaching side of managment. This could be rectified by bringing in better coaches, but i honestly think Ole wont do that and if thats the hill he choses to die on then so be it.
It was half the appt, half the squad. We needed to get young world class players in fergies last three years, setting up for the future. We had the pull when he was there
So that means they rate him above Pep or Klopp? Or does it mean they respect the man and all he’s done for the club? Guy is a feckin legend and fans should adore him, doesn’t mean they can’t see where he falls short as a manager.
Thats football, you don't always win. As much as the results and performances were dissapointing. We should be winning those games no doubt but its the same every season, every club will drop points in games that they should be winning.
The league table puts us about where we should be people will argue that we haven't played anyone tough and I think its fair to say we haven't played any of our direct rivals but we haven't had many bankers either how many relegation candidates have we played? Just Newcastle i would say. West ham Everton and Aston villa will be in the hunt for Europe i would of thought and i would be surprised if wolves don't finish top 10. There isn't many easy games in this league especially against top half clubs.
Christmass is normally a good time to take stock, in or around the top spot come then were on course. If we are out of it then questions will have to be asked.
I don't think our fans are oblivious. I'm confident the comfortable majority knows that Ole, whether outwardly or deep down inside, is not up to scratch and probably won't ever be. But we do have to admit that a certain demographic of our fanbase is clinging on to sentimentality so much that refusing to wake up and smelling the coffee almost becomes like an identity in and by itself.
So you are saying that Ole has been given the managerial role at arguably the biggest club in the world and and yet he has not got a good grasp on footballing philosophy or tactics?
hey Ole is a great manager he won something in the norweigan league and relegated Cardiff after spending A Fortune it’s the stuff zidane and Conte could only dream of.
If anything he’s overqualified For a club as big as united.
If anything he’s overqualified For a club as big as united.
Well said. I was of that opinion too.
We don't have a structure like Chelsea or Madrid. And I think we'll never have, at least under the Glazers. So it's a bit like a lottery for us with this I think. The only problem is the chance to hit a jackpot is like one in a million.
Couldn’t agree more. Well said.
Because they're scared imo. We've been shite for so long, they get so desperate that this appointment is the right one and that we've finally got it right. Couple that with the fact that the guy is a club legend and you have the scenario we are in.
No, he was using Haaland as an example.
Change 'manager' for 'midfield' in the thread title. Unfortunately that also includes Ole.
Yes I am and it's not that wild of a concept as it is plainly obvious watching us play. Let me guess you are one of those posters I mentioned in the original post that say our players can't make simple passes or create meaningful chances against mid and lower mid table clubs because of one of these placeholder reasons"They don't care", "They lack passion and determination","They don't play for the badge" etc. and things like patterns of play are invented by fans who want so called hipster managers from Europe whose side play brilliant attacking football.
It objectively did work like that for Solskjaer, who has done a better job than Moyes, van Gaal or Mourinho (all of whom came from much better clubs with loads of experience and in 2 cases success). I'm not sure that Solskjaer is the man to take us back to the top but to use the fact he came from Molde against him, when he has outperformed managers with much more prestigious clubs on their CVs, is just searching for a stick to beat him with.
Wrong again.
You don’t finish second in the most competitive league in Europe without having some idea about tactics and if you can incorporate an attacking style and score a shitload of goals in the process because the general fan base of Manchester United demand it (maybe you just want 3pts regardless) then you are not doing too bad.
My gripe about Ole is that he is too nice with the players as a midfielder that cannot kick a ball properly and is a liability should be nowhere near the starting side and I cannot work that one out.
I don’t want to start this debate again as it has been done a lot here, but the fact that he “outperformed” the two previous managers is debatable and subject to opinion about whether or not trophies or top 4 finishes are more important.
Isn’t this the big issue at the club? Making the right decision at the right time? Liverpool sacked Rodgers and hired Klopp when he was available. The obvious move was to hire Pochettino when he was left Spurs and was waiting for a call. We didn’t, and now 18 months later we are sat here with the same issues arising under Ole’s management. I can guarantee a decision won’t be made on Ole until our situation is a lot worse. It’s clear as day we have reached our peak under his management.
No, it isn't.
It absolutely is, and it has been debated countless times here whether you agree with those debates or not.
While I think Ole has outperformed them. They are all a bad bunch. And, it is debatable because the records books care about success, not whether you finished 2nd, 3rd or 4th. Ole hasn't won any trophies despite having a vastly superior squad from the start of last season.
Second miles behind first with other rivals having injury issues and in Chelsea's case also having poor manager for a large part of the season. Also, I give you that Ole, Carrick and McKenna might have some rudimentary understanding of footballing tactics but so would any intelligent player who's been involved in the game for so long. I'm not saying he's Ted Lasso but the quality gap between him and the likes of Pep, Klopp etc. is massive and there are plenty of managers who are better than Ole out there, managers with plans regarding how to play matches, conduct training sessions and building teams with identity. When I see us play I see a bunch of players who go out there to do their own thing and hope for the best, sorta like an international team. I'm a bit curious regarding why you think we're so average against against teams we should be blowing away on Paper? Everton the other day were missing a lot of key players but still went toe to toe with us and could've easily walked away with all 3 points. Whenever City and Liverpool drop points, there is mostly some sort of luck at play on other teams behalf but with us most games are 50/50.
You don't finish second in the league playing with midfield players who cannot kick a ball properly or a liability either?
I think United fans stupidly feel if you think the manager or coaching isn't good enough then you are not a "Good" supporter.
But in fact that couldn't be further from the truth. I want Ole to do well but I'm not afraid to call it how it is and say that I really don't think he is good enough.
As long as he is here I want him to win but if we replace him I won't be upset because he is only still in the job because he is a club legend. Which is not a good reason to hire someone.
But in fact that couldn't be further from the truth. I want Ole to do well but I'm not afraid to call it how it is and say that I really don't think he is good enough.
As long as he is here I want him to win but if we replace him I won't be upset because he is only still in the job because he is a club legend. Which is not a good reason to hire someone.
Every team will have issues with injuries but that is no excuse given the depth of the top teams in England and I think we would not be too far off the mark in saying Pep and Klopp are the best coaches running around in world football at the moment.
I have no doubt that our midfield is not up to scratch at the moment and I am sure there will be some changes there inThe next summer window as you cannot build pressure with midfielders that cannot pass the ball or defend properly so that makes us susceptible to a team that is compact and is good at counter attacks.
All good points. I actually think the top managers have a philosophy in how they want to play and recruit players and coaches to try and achieve it. Many top managers have the same coaches for years and equally will buy players that they have had previously to help adopt their style of football. Ole's 'well of knowledge' is shallow and he's recruited players based on name or emotion.
Klopp and Pep etc have world class talent in some positions but they work off the ball as hard as the lesser players. Ole allows Pogs, Bruno, Rashford and now creeping in Greenwoods game, to be indisciplined in their games, almost selfish at times in what they offer the team, they don't press or work hard enough up front to win the ball back, and leave McFred to pick up the shite. There is some irony that they are expected to do everything yet those whose ceilings are much higher to do less. It's interesting that when they play for their respective countries, their managers expect much more discipline performances and both have been hooked off when they don't.
And being Chelsea is not that bad. Since Abramovich, they have won 1 UCL more than us, same number of league titles, one EL more than us, and more domestic trophies.
Since SAF left we have spent significantly more than them and have had a higher wage bill. But they have won 1UCL and 2 league titles more than us.
So essentially we do not want to be more successful. That is exactly what ‘not wanting to be Chelsea’ means. We want to be a mediocre club, as long as we can say that we support the manager.
Change the name of the club to Manager United and the name of stadium to Ole Trafford. Who cares if we finish nowhere near the trophies as long as we create a cult for Ole.