All of them worse managers than prime Wegner, SAF and Mourinho.
Who you rate the highest Pep, Klopp or Tuchel?
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I'm sure Pep has pwned Alex a few times?
He won’t have to imagine it because it Aguero doesn’t do it he doesn’t play, just like with Pep.
Pep? Or Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta-Messi?
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Sir Alex beat that bunch (sans Biscuits) a year prior.
And Pep lost a UCL final against a lesser Chelsea side while SAF won one against the most complete/dangerous Chelsea of all time.
Guardiola is a rightfully considered a top 5 manager ever and is better than Wenger and Mourinho. Klopp is arguably better than either and will probably be remembered as a greater manager than either as well.
It's too early with Tuchel but he's a great manager.
Pep is at par with SAF or very close to SAF
If Klopp is greater than Pep, then we can deduce Klopp is greater than SAF
If a=b and c>a then yes c must be greater than b
But if b>a and c>a then which is greater c or b?
I come to the caf to run away from math, not see more math
Nonsense.....how long have you been following football, do you even know SAF's history before he came to Man United?
what is math?
haha it was maths when i was at school
Exactly, can’t see Pep going to Aberdeen and prove himself worthy of licking saf boots
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I don't have Klopp as high as Ferguson or Guardiola. I think they're both in the top 5 (Ferguson or Michels in the top 2) while Klopp is just a tier lower.
I meant that I consider Klopp a greater manager than Wenger and Mourinho, but I don't rank him as high as Ferguson or Pep.
I rate Pep's tactics the most.
However, Klopp's doing it with the shittest players. That's very impressive.
At the same time, I do think Klopp's team or himself tires out a bit. I saw it at Dortmund and I'm seeing it at Liverpool.
However, Klopp's doing it with the shittest players. That's very impressive.
At the same time, I do think Klopp's team or himself tires out a bit. I saw it at Dortmund and I'm seeing it at Liverpool.
Who are these so called Shittest players If I may ask ,Guardiola is also able to get tune out of not so great players as well but that's conveniently ignored while assessing him against Klopp and in general .
Milner, Chamberlain, Henderson, Keita, Firmino, Origi, I don't rate Jota that highly - good but not great, minamino, Adrian, ,Karius, the recently sold shaqiri, Phillips, Tskimisas.
I don't see that type of player at Manchester City.
Who are the City players that are comparable to them in your eyes?
I also used to think Matip was crap before he joined Liverpool and had good seasons with Klopp because he had lot of mistakes.
Come on mate, how can you say Milner, Henderson, Ox and Frimino are crap ?
They are not crap but they are crap compared to what City have.
Klopp makes things work.
What about the other players Liverpool have used? Do you see any resemblance to City players?
I think klopp, just because he builds teams with a lot less money, guardiola goes to teams that are already ready made or have a lot of money. Although klopps style makes his teams run out of energy in 2nd halve of the season… peps style makes the opposition tire in matches. Tuchel is yet to be considered as he’s only just came into the prem but failed in winning the champions league with PSG. What is tuchels style of play? I’ve seen a lot say he’s quite defensive but I’m not sure…
I can’t believe some of you are debating it, what Klopp managed at Dortmund in both the Bundesliga and CL and then at Liverpool after 30 years of no title absolutely shits all over the other pair.
It sucks giant balls he’s Liverpool’s manager but he’s absolutely the best manager in the World.
It sucks giant balls he’s Liverpool’s manager but he’s absolutely the best manager in the World.
I think klopp have to prove the sustainability. He needed to challenge again and again. He is so far very good but need to wrestle back title from city. That's the only question mark over him I suppose.
I am most impressed with Tuchel recently. He won CL with a fairly weak Chelsea squad. Still he failed a bit with PSG even having an insane squad.
Pep is probably the best, but he normally got insane squads. His City squad now is not amazing apart from KDB and he improves players, but Messi was key to win CL for him.
Van Dijk, Lewandowski and Salah key for Klopp so he also uses world stars even if he works on a smaller budget.
Tactically I rate Pep, Tuchel, Klopp in that order.
To improve players I rate Klopp, Pep, Tuchel.
In the transfer market I rate Klopp, Tuchel, Pep
Pep is probably the best, but he normally got insane squads. His City squad now is not amazing apart from KDB and he improves players, but Messi was key to win CL for him.
Van Dijk, Lewandowski and Salah key for Klopp so he also uses world stars even if he works on a smaller budget.
Tactically I rate Pep, Tuchel, Klopp in that order.
To improve players I rate Klopp, Pep, Tuchel.
In the transfer market I rate Klopp, Tuchel, Pep
Seems a little unfair to say the only question mark against Klopp is sustainability compared to Pep when Klopp has far exceeded expectations and his predecessors in his job. For me personally although I think both are incredible coaches Klopps overall cv is more impressive
Longevity is also a factor. Retaining titles, rebuilding sides. Time will tell. Klopp doesn't have the resources of the other two, but his defence of their title was woeful.
He did lot of incredible things mate. Nothing is not easy. But he got dortmund run to mud and also last season liverpool. Winning once a league is one thing but have to sustain the challenge following season too. Only Fergie,Jose and pep did that in this league winning twice. So why it's question mark on him the sustainability.
Failing to win the CL with PSG should not be used for judging how great a manger is.
A lot of Luck is required to win a cup competition. The best teams don’t always win it.
I’m not sure I agree, he’s won titles with sides that hadn’t won titles for years and you’re comparing it to Pep winning titles with a side who won 1-3 years before him while comfortably outspending all his rivals.
He’s sustained Liverpool as one of the best sides in Europe with far less resources and has also successfully defended a title with Dortmund. Can Pep not being able to deliver in Europe with Bayern and City not be a question mark against him?
It’s an impossible question to answer who is better because it’s always going to be subjective, but I personally feel we’ll see the impact of both once they leave. In the case of Liverpool I think the drop is going to be a lot more significant after Klopp than City’s without Pep
Klopp, Pep, Tuchel in that order
What Klopp has done at BVB and Liverpool is nothing short of a miracle when you see where those two clubs were when they first hired him and their financial muscle compare to the other big clubs. The fact that he was able to win titles in Germany as well against a dominant Bayern team and in England against Chelsea and City's Oil money makes it even more impressive.
Pep edges Tuchel due to longevity and having a better style of play but he's had the luxury of managing a Barca team with so much generational talent, a Bayern team that's ridiculously dominant in the BL and a City team owned by a Sheikh that uses the club like a Football Manager game. He guarantees a solid ROI when backed but he needs near perfect conditions to succeed. He wouldn't last 5 minutes under FSG or The Glazers
Tuchel has done a terrific job at Chelsea winning them the CL when they were barely favorites and they look like one of the favorites to win the CL but make no mistake he inherited a top Chelsea team that was simply being mismanaged by Lampard but that's not taking away what he's done. His Dortmund stint was good too but he benefitted from the years and years work Klopp put in the team. His PSG stint is his most underrated in my opinion he got them to their first ever CL final and they were much more dominant in France than now under Pochettino
What Klopp has done at BVB and Liverpool is nothing short of a miracle when you see where those two clubs were when they first hired him and their financial muscle compare to the other big clubs. The fact that he was able to win titles in Germany as well against a dominant Bayern team and in England against Chelsea and City's Oil money makes it even more impressive.
Pep edges Tuchel due to longevity and having a better style of play but he's had the luxury of managing a Barca team with so much generational talent, a Bayern team that's ridiculously dominant in the BL and a City team owned by a Sheikh that uses the club like a Football Manager game. He guarantees a solid ROI when backed but he needs near perfect conditions to succeed. He wouldn't last 5 minutes under FSG or The Glazers
Tuchel has done a terrific job at Chelsea winning them the CL when they were barely favorites and they look like one of the favorites to win the CL but make no mistake he inherited a top Chelsea team that was simply being mismanaged by Lampard but that's not taking away what he's done. His Dortmund stint was good too but he benefitted from the years and years work Klopp put in the team. His PSG stint is his most underrated in my opinion he got them to their first ever CL final and they were much more dominant in France than now under Pochettino
Prime Wenger who never won a CL?
Once again I reiterate Klopp did incredible things. But still question mark hangover his head that's sustainability. It's not bad thing because he won the league once. But he overplayed players he should have rested for games. That's his undoing in longer run. So why his teams struggled after great two seasons not even able to challenge. Because he sucked the life out of very limited number of players.
He needed to sustain the level. Greats did it in past and Klopp can't escape from that when scaling who is great though.
Pep for me now and if Klopp pipped him for title this season then i will say Klopp.
Tuchel I don't want to bring him in because his full season in pl just started.He too did great so far and I liked him much with the start we had he did a brilliant job with the schedule and top of the league won't be surprised if he wins the pl title.
It depends what you need and want, but I'd put Klopp at Nr. 1.
Pep is probably the single greatest league manager of all time, provided you give him a world class squad. However, if my life depended on a CL away game against another strong club I'd pick Klopp in a heartbeat. Pep still hasn't managed to prove that he can reliably outcoach his biggest adversaries when it matters in the CL, instead he shot himself in the foot more than once. "Classic Pep away match" has become part of my football vocabulary since his time at Bayern.
Pep is probably the single greatest league manager of all time, provided you give him a world class squad. However, if my life depended on a CL away game against another strong club I'd pick Klopp in a heartbeat. Pep still hasn't managed to prove that he can reliably outcoach his biggest adversaries when it matters in the CL, instead he shot himself in the foot more than once. "Classic Pep away match" has become part of my football vocabulary since his time at Bayern.
Has to be Pep.
This is what I’m disagreeing with, he’s won more than one title. He won and defended a Bundesliga, that’s sustained success, he got to 2 Champions League finals in a row winning one, that’s sustained success, he won 97pts and then won a Premier League in record time that’s sustained success. He’s proved sustainability throughout his career.
You can’t say he failed to rest players when Liverpool’s injury list was as bad as it was last season and his board failed to help him out signing poor quality cover on the cheap. He still managed to get them into the champions league places and finish higher Tuchel.
If you’re just judging they’re stints in the Premier League I can see an argument for Pep edging it but it’s definitely debatable
As of right now, i would choose Klopp most of the time.
If you have an elite squad, then Pep.
But Tuchel may be coming and catching up, and in 5 or 10 years, i'd probably pick him. TBC
If you have an elite squad, then Pep.
But Tuchel may be coming and catching up, and in 5 or 10 years, i'd probably pick him. TBC
We all know Pep is incredible but he’s only ever proved himself with a world class squad and unlimited resources.
Klopp built up a very poor Dortmund team and made them Bundesliga champions and very nearly CL champions as well, closer than Pep had ever gotten until recently, and that’s not even including his current stint with Liverpool. His Dortmund team is still to this day some of the best football i‘ve seen a team play and is why I wanted him badly at United before he went to them lot. Infact I think he would have gone on to have more sustained success with Dortmund if Bayern didn’t poach their best young talent in Gotze and the club itself being a selling club
It has to be Klopp.
Tuchel isn’t in this conversation, yet.
Klopp built up a very poor Dortmund team and made them Bundesliga champions and very nearly CL champions as well, closer than Pep had ever gotten until recently, and that’s not even including his current stint with Liverpool. His Dortmund team is still to this day some of the best football i‘ve seen a team play and is why I wanted him badly at United before he went to them lot. Infact I think he would have gone on to have more sustained success with Dortmund if Bayern didn’t poach their best young talent in Gotze and the club itself being a selling club
It has to be Klopp.
Tuchel isn’t in this conversation, yet.