At this rate a bucket with a face on it would be fine
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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I've have been a fan since last season but you're right he never seems to be linked with any jobs outside Italy. I've seen a few inter fans actually allude to the fact that last season he wasn't even actually playing his preferred tactics but had to adjust due to the players he had available. If true that's actually incredible given that they did well last season too.
He is tactically flexible and the way he setup his midfield is very good. He has managed to get Mkhi and Sanchez playing at a very high level again and his conversion of Hakan from a no10 to a deep playmaker has been a stroke of genius.
I think ETH's biggest problem is the same undoing LVG had. Stubbornly sticking to a tactic that doesn't bring results and failing to adapt accordingly to the league. LVG went to conservative and structural, stripping the team of any sort of imagination essentially making us blunt and boring. ETH is going the complete opposite direction and is failing to implement any sort of structure.
You right
Still funnySo long as the players are good, the manager should be fine.
You need someone who is a good fit with whatever DoF and recruitment team gets appointed. I'd say that your next managers ability to work alongside his bosses is incredibly important.
No point appointing all these scouts, dofs and technical advisors is the manager if some maverick who doesn't work with them.
Potter might be a better fit than his CV suggests.
I agree. Gonna be hard for any manager to come here and do that though when we’ve still got Rashford who decides when he plays good and when he plays bad. A lot of players only play good until there offered a massive contract. I read up that Ratcliffe wants to introduce a reward wage bonus thing, that’s what city have. That should help in maintaining players play to an high standard every week and not just until they get a contract.
I keep hearing this Ajax mantra. Just maybe because Ajax played in one of the weakest leagues in Europe, and have the resources almost equal to rest of league combined, they could play good football? They had one good run in Europe, but also had a collection of very good players. We also see occasionally a team have a great run and look better than they really are in Europe, when other teams underperform. Perhaps coming from an easier league helps. We need a manager who has shown something in a tough league.
I can't see how he turns this around. My worry is that we'll replace EtH and in 12 months we'll still be in the same position.
But other small clubs in our own league play good football. The type of football comes from coaching and the right system players. Yes there’s a reason these teams like Brighton aren’t competing for top trophies, that’s where the resources come from. But the style comes from the coach.
It's quite astounding to be one of the wealthiest clubs in the world, with the second highest spend per season cap in the league, and being this bad. It's an achievement on its own.
This is the point that I was trying to make last night. There is no point right now throwing around different names with different philosophies
I'm aligned with this, the very best aren't available. But we need something close and Zidane and Alonso are the current best shouts.
In some points I have to defend Tuchel a bit. Yes, he did't win the BL, but he performed on par with Klopp's title winning seasons with them. His problem was, that he had to face the fully assembled superteam managed by Guardiola while Klopp had to face only the Bayern team building and developing towards that (remember, Klopp set the point record in 2012, Heynckes crushed that in 2013 and won the treble). So with this context I really don't think Tuchel did (much) worse than Klopp at Dortmund. Klopp obviously has the title wins, the CL final in his favour, but his team wasn't miles ahead of Tuchel's team there.
Didn't win the CL, but still managed PSG's best CL season.
Bayern don't have a great squad and they messed up their transfer business. Tuchel was ok with selling Pavard and loaning out Stanisic provided that proper replacements were signed. Bayern's board fecked up three transfers on summer deadline day and got him Eric Dier in the winter. Considering how thin their squad at the back was (against Tuchel's explicit wishes) it is no wonder that they often do look vulnerable. Bayern currently is playing the second best league season since Guardiola left. That's absolutely not doing poorly, but it is a clear increase over Nagelsmann.
However, and in this regard I am with you: It's probably not good enough to convince you, even with that context provided. And that's absolutely fair.
I think once the football is right and the players are fitting the system the personality aspect will take care of itself. Think we've been in thrall to that cult of manager for too long. If the team are sweeping all before them and playing swashbuckling football the United fans will laud and love McKenna into a personality. More important is recruiting the right players who dont think they are above him I feel
agreed.
If we make a change my order of preference is:
1. Amorim
2. Nagelsmann
3. Tuchel
4. Potter
1. Amorim
2. Nagelsmann
3. Tuchel
4. Potter
For as poor as we've been this season, I feel like ETH has selected this 'style' of play because he feels like it's the best way to get winning performances out of the players we have available. Clearly, something isn't clicking though.
I don't think ETH is a bad coach, he's just doing a terrible job in an admittedly difficult situation. We can't ignore the terrible injury list we've had this season, nor our awful squad building over the last cycle. And no, that's not entirely on ETH. Yes, he wanted Antony, but a club with a functional recruitment structure would have killed that deal before it ever got going. That incompetence is on the club, not the manager.
The Mount deal still has to fall under the 'too early to tell' category. Barring a glaring oversight during his medical, I don't see how his unavailability can be chalked up to anything other than bad luck. There's every chance he could have been a decent player for us this season otherwise.
ETH was signed because of the style of play he implemented at Ajax. There were certainly alarm bells when he said a few months ago that, 'this Utd team will never play like Ajax'. But, that was because he feels he doesn't have the payers he needs to get there.
Our new DoF and CEO need to decide on a footballing direction for the club, and sit down with ETH to see if he's capable of implementing it here, and what he needs to do it. An interview to see if he is still the right man for the job. None of us on the caf have the insight or experience to doubt any decision ultimately made by Omar and Ashworth. If they decide that there is still untapped potential here, then he IS still the right man for the job. If there isn't, we'll know before next season.
I don't think ETH is a bad coach, he's just doing a terrible job in an admittedly difficult situation. We can't ignore the terrible injury list we've had this season, nor our awful squad building over the last cycle. And no, that's not entirely on ETH. Yes, he wanted Antony, but a club with a functional recruitment structure would have killed that deal before it ever got going. That incompetence is on the club, not the manager.
The Mount deal still has to fall under the 'too early to tell' category. Barring a glaring oversight during his medical, I don't see how his unavailability can be chalked up to anything other than bad luck. There's every chance he could have been a decent player for us this season otherwise.
ETH was signed because of the style of play he implemented at Ajax. There were certainly alarm bells when he said a few months ago that, 'this Utd team will never play like Ajax'. But, that was because he feels he doesn't have the payers he needs to get there.
Our new DoF and CEO need to decide on a footballing direction for the club, and sit down with ETH to see if he's capable of implementing it here, and what he needs to do it. An interview to see if he is still the right man for the job. None of us on the caf have the insight or experience to doubt any decision ultimately made by Omar and Ashworth. If they decide that there is still untapped potential here, then he IS still the right man for the job. If there isn't, we'll know before next season.
Great post and thanks for the perspective. Personally I feel the level of football Klopp managed to achieve at Dortmund, with the cheaply assembled team he had put together was incredible. Definitely one of my top 5 teams all of time. Until Bayern did what they do and sign their rivals players to kill them off.
We also saw how Klopps high intensity football can wreak havoc with injuries to players and some not being able to keep up after 2 or 3 seasons. That ultimately led to the teams demise and we saw the same at Liverpool, however Liverpool have backed him in virtually buying a whole new midfield and attack to create another top team.
For me Tuchel can't be compared to Klopp yet but that doesn't mean he won't in time either. I just think we need to be very sure if and when we make the final decision on Ten Hag. I'd also like him to have a first 11 available for a sustained period of time before we judge him, so far he's proved we're quite good when we get close to that
Even if he gets this summer to sell and buy, I'd still prefer that at this point. I don't think it's fair to blame Ten Hag for having to juggle a huge amount of problems at the club on and off the pitch. I definitely don't back the players over him, or the Glazers over him so far.
I think he's shown enough when we have our best players available to deserve one more summer window of transfers to see if he can get us challenging Arsenal and Liverpool over a season, with input from Berrada, Ashworth and whoever we sign to actually deal with Recruitment directly.
Man City are another level for now and it would take 2 or 3 summers of impeccable buying to match their squad of players.
I‘d keep Eric instead of handing one of those clowns a 3yr contract just to sack them after a year
How's Amorim a clown out of interest?
Interested to know what makes any of those (other than maybe Potter) a “clown” ahead of Eric.
Those bottom three can eff off.
Tuchel is awful, will probably have to go back into rehab.
Nagelsmann is a child and apparently is very bad at man management.
Potter was held up by a great structure at Brighton.
This is only partially true. Yes, they did sign players from Dortmund, and they often did that before to other teams who won the league. But around 2010 there was an important shift in Bayern's recruitment. Essentially they finally started to really act as global players. The key to their treble 2013 wasn't Dortmund players (remember, Götze and Lewandowski only arrived after that season), but that they had signed players like Ribery, Robben, Martinez that finally elevated them above the around 75 points usual BL winners got to around 85 points which nobody could beat not even with a great run of form.
So I'd actually argue that their dominance in the recent decade comes from NOT focusing on killing off their BL rivals anymore (not as much focus as in the previous decade at least)
He also went on a dreadful run of three wins in 16 PL matches earlier this season. However, this never got highlighted in the media, as he is the latest "flavour of the month".
With the departures over the summer it’s not that surprising that there was a dip in their form initially.
Me too. I think the club is doomed whoever we put in charge, it goes beyond who’s sat in the dugout.
Inzaghi has gone so under the radar.
Isn't Nagelsmann a specialist at man management?
Also how do you know re. Potter it's not a case of him being a victim of terrible structure at Chelsea rather than only being good because of a great structure at Brighton?
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I hear 30p Lee is looking for a job. I bet he could build a title challenging team for a fiver.
The guy has been doing such a great job for years, both at Lazio and Inter and yet he hasn't been talked about enough. The football his team plays is impressive, too.
Ole ole ole oleeee. Lets bring back ole and profusely apologize to him for the mistreatment. Infinitely better manager than this pep lite we have atm.
If its a similar style to City than Nagelsman isn't your guy. There were reports that higher ups are City like De Zerbi and I can see it happening, and in the right environment working. Brighton play good football and its outside of City the most attractive brand of football. They always lose their best players and have had crazy injuries this season, but they still play well. Definitely a project I can get behind.
Another important note, he already has managed Onana and had him playing at his best. So much so we bought him for a huge transfer fee. But imagine Martinez being utilised in his system, it would be effective.
They played good football under Potter too. It's more of a testament of how well run the club is.
What I like about his system is 2 upfront. Think Hojlund and another CF alongside him and we will cause teams problems.
Once we get wing backs that can whip in crosses.
I listened to Rio’s podcast with Jose last week and Rio asked him was he disappointed with the quality of signings in his last season. (Fred, Lee Grant ,Dalot , Maguire) He said no as he was more interested in getting certain players out of the club and that didn’t happen.
I think this is more important next summer than what comes in. A lot of that current team needs to be got rid of.
Rashford / Sancho / Martial been at the top of the list for attitude issues and been shit
Casemiro / Lindelof / Evans / Pellestri / Antony lack of quality. I haven’t included Varane as I don’t think we’ll get rid of 3 CB’s this summer but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Varane go and Lindelof kept.
Following season Maguire / Varane / Shaw /Wan Bissaka.
It’s going to be a difficult 18-24 months no matter who’s in charge.
I think this is more important next summer than what comes in. A lot of that current team needs to be got rid of.
Rashford / Sancho / Martial been at the top of the list for attitude issues and been shit
Casemiro / Lindelof / Evans / Pellestri / Antony lack of quality. I haven’t included Varane as I don’t think we’ll get rid of 3 CB’s this summer but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Varane go and Lindelof kept.
Following season Maguire / Varane / Shaw /Wan Bissaka.
It’s going to be a difficult 18-24 months no matter who’s in charge.
He would not.
Yep, that would not fly in Germany. The state of the NT, its lack of success and the struggle to get it back to speed is a very touchy subject here right now. No way the German NT manager, who just got hired last fall to focus on the Euros, could decide to half-arse the job.
Does not mean though we cannot get him to commit for after the tournament, and surely a few video calls to discuss squad planning could be sneaked in.
Just an Italian Chris Wilder.
But yeah, Inzaghi's back five is a lot more fluid and fun to watch than those systems tend to be. I'd be concerned that he's never set foot outside of Italy during either his playing or managerial career yet, though. Can he speak a word of English?
Bastoni and the other CBs swapped with their CMs when in possession vs Atletico. So he was largely a midfielder, which is still impressive really. I think he did this to improve ball retention at the back, giving their midfielders room to operate and find passes forward quickly. He's definitely worth a look at but I generally get the feeling that Italian managers and players are usually happy if they're at one of the big Italian teams, so he probably wouldn't be interested. But that's just a guess.
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