Who replaces Ten Hag?

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redNATION said:
Really don’t see why not, shown he can handle egos given the French team is full of them, and we’ve tried obvious appointments like Mourinho, LVG and ETH, why not give it to a World Cup winner ? Not sure the other names like Flick or Amorim are any more qualified than Deschamps.
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Deschamps hasn't managed at club level for over a decade and international football is miles behind club football, especially tactically.

Flick and Enrique are the only two truly elite managers that have managed a national side in recent years, and that says a lot about the current state of international football.
 
Only better realistic options are De Zerbi , Nagelsman potentially you take a gamble on a Ruben Almiron or Mckennna. Some of the suggestions like Flick and Deschamps are laughable.
 
Judas said:
Flick would be such a mind numbingly blah appointment. How could anyone be enthusiastic for him?
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Because he’s bayerns most winning manager ever? Winning a treble, yeah must be shite
 
spiriticon said:
Do you mean you want to give the new manager another 400 m to spend if he asks for it?
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I mean a period of stability in leadership under Ten Hag would be beneficial. Whatever manger we have currently I don’t see the spending situation changing significantly so I’d rather keep building towards one idea and philosophy over chopping and changing again. We still don’t have a full XI of Ten Hag players. Pep, Arteta and Klopp have that.

redNATION said:
Really don’t see why not, shown he can handle egos given the French team is full of them, and we’ve tried obvious appointments like Mourinho, LVG and ETH, why not give it to a World Cup winner ? Not sure the other names like Flick or Amorim are any more qualified than Deschamps.
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Because international management is nowhere near the same experience as week in week out club management of which Deschamps hasn’t done now for over 10 years.

So I think it’s idiotic to suggest him for that reason alone.
 
AdNani said:
Because he’s bayerns most winning manager ever? Winning a treble, yeah must be shite
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His win rate of 81.4% at Bayern is superb when you consider Jupp Heynckes who built agueably their best ever side and also won the treble had a win rate of 74.15%
 
Judas said:
Bit of a narrow way of looking at it but maybe that’s how you view things, quite simplistic. Good luck to you sir.
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His time at Bayern was absolutely sensational, they played fantastic football and won absolutely everything doing so, I don’t see how you think that would be ‘Blah’
 
AdNani said:
Because he’s bayerns most winning manager ever? Winning a treble, yeah must be shite
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His predecessor won the domestic treble with that squad just the year before. Maybe give the players some credit.
 
mu4c_20le said:
His predecessor won the domestic treble with that squad just the year before. Maybe give the players some credit.
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obviously the players were fantastic. But they hadn’t reached that level before him and they haven’t since.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I mean a period of stability in leadership under Ten Hag would be beneficial. Whatever manger we have currently I don’t see the spending situation changing significantly so I’d rather keep building towards one idea and philosophy over chopping and changing again. We still don’t have a full XI of Ten Hag players. Pep, Arteta and Klopp have that.


Because international management is nowhere near the same experience as week in week out club management of which Deschamps hasn’t done now for over 10 years.

So I think it’s idiotic to suggest him for that reason alone.
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If that’s the case then club managers should easily be able to manage at international level and win the World Cup, on that basis Flick should definitely be ruled out as a failure. What’s actually idiotic is saying more time needs to be given to a guy whose been given £400m + and left us with bums like Antony, Casemiro and Mount.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I mean a period of stability in leadership under Ten Hag would be beneficial. Whatever manger we have currently I don’t see the spending situation changing significantly so I’d rather keep building towards one idea and philosophy over chopping and changing again. We still don’t have a full XI of Ten Hag players. Pep, Arteta and Klopp have that.
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I would rather not see a full XI of ten Hag players thank you. Even if he stays, Ratcliffe if doing the right thing by taking transfers off his hands.

If he is given more time, he needs to start coaching and stop looking to the market for an expensive quick fix.
 
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BenitoSTARR said:
Amorim would be too different a style to implement mid season in our current footballing set up which isn’t renowned for its flexibility and adaptability.

McKenna playing youth is an absolute pipe dream does anyone in their right mind think that any senior player is getting dropped by McKenna?

Am I going mad here? Or do people genuinely not realise what our club actually is at the moment? It’s not a centre of sporting excellence where patience is afforded it’s currently the play thing of American investment (if you can call it that) that has been internally reviewing its strategy for 12 months….

But yeah let’s change managers because we lost to a vastly superior City side and had a shit game against Newcastle knocking us out of a cup that if we’re being honest we’d want to be out of to focus on the league.
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C`mon, we have been more or less shocking every game so far this season. And we had a bunch of really poor performances last season as well. Getting absolutely curbstomped by City and Liverpool takes away quite a lot of credibility right away.
 
ti vu said:
Unless the result also cones, the idea is recipe for disaster in the scale never seen before. I meant you deflating high paid players value and without European football money, trophies, it hit the club (not the owner) finance to the core. People overrating the influence of some romantic ideas too much. Not even Ajax, or Barcelona could go full youth in less competitive leagues.

Rashford and Martial are the products of the same romantic idea under LVG , and it doesn't look like those same people could enjoy their idea forever. They want just to see newer toy "youth" for the sake of it.
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I didn’t really mean going with all youth team, just a few players getting a look here and there.
 
redNATION said:
If that’s the case then club managers should easily be able to manage at international level and win the World Cup, on that basis Flick should definitely be ruled out as a failure. What’s actually idiotic is saying more time needs to be given to a guy whose been given £400m + and left us with bums like Antony, Casemiro and Mount.
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You’re conflating two completely different things here. I’m not arguing that any club manager would be able to translate across or vice versa quite the contrary I think the two positions are vastly different and require a specialised approach.

Deschamps hasn’t managed a club since 2012 he isn’t going to understand the transfer market, day to day training, squad management etc the same way a club manager would he’s been too long out of the game.

Why exactly do you think Casemiro (who was fundamental to our success last season) Antony who is our only winger that works defensively and keeps possession high up the pitch and Mount who hasn’t been here more than 3 months are so poor? Who would you have signed instead?

spiriticon said:
I would rather not see a full XI of ten Hag players thank you. Even if he stays, Ratcliffe if doing the right thing by taking transfers off his hands.

If he is given more time, he needs to start coaching and stop looking to the market for an expensive quick fix.
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I dont disagree that a manager should relinquish that responsibility to competent sporting directors/DOF but do we have one?

At the level United want to get to you are going to need to spend money. Or is Guardiola’s revolving transfer door not happening too? To be elite you need constantly elite talent and coaching on top of that. I believe we have the right coach who is going through a terrible period due to injuries and a poor pre season schedule not designed with players fitness/load management in mind.
 
Gordon S said:
C`mon, we have been more or less shocking every game so far this season. And we had a bunch of really poor performances last season as well. Getting absolutely curbstomped by City and Liverpool takes away quite a lot of credibility right away.
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We’ve had a back line of Evans, Maguire and Lindelöf for the majority of the season.

We have had two matches with our best back 4 and you wonder why we’ve maybe not performed at peak levels?

Absolutely I agree we’ve played poorly but I’m not reactionary enough to place all that blame onto a manager when in context any side would be affected by this.

We also need to consider we haven’t have the footballing structure in place for so many years that every player in the squad is able to come in and perform a similar role to those we have out injured.

That takes time and a sporting vision and I believe Ten Hag has the vision and just needs the time.

The solution here is confidently not to once again rip it up manager wise and start over.
 
Before we start slagging off top managers, we should maybe stop and take a moment to think about what exactly we have to offer to entice any top manager of coming here.
The answer is, very little. We have an unbalanced, patchy squad, most importantly we have no money to invest because of the club sale, we have poor executive personnel with an uncertain future because of the club sale, we have a toxic and dissatisfied fanbase, a pressure cooker of a media environment, and then again we have an uncertain ownership situation which does not make any long term planning possible.

At this point it is not about who we think it the best candidate (and boy, our posters are very picky and critical!) but which halfway promising candidate is actually willing to come.
Zidane, not a chance.
Alonso, nope.
Flick, I highly doubt it.
Nagelsmann after the Euros, if we are very, very lucky and he feels bold enough but I would say it is a long shot.

Make no mistake guys, we are not an attractive destination, and we should be happy if any people with existing, intact careers - say a De Zerbi, an Amorim - are willing to expose themselves to this mess. Even someone like Potter will likely be wary after his Chelsea experience.

So don't go around dismissing candidates as "laughable" or "blah", rather have a look in the mirror. If Ten Hag is sacked we should happily welcome any half-way decent and motivated successor.

So welcome, Brendan Rodgers!
 
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The-Mezzala said:
Only better realistic options are De Zerbi , Nagelsman potentially you take a gamble on a Ruben Almiron or Mckennna. Some of the suggestions like Flick and Deschamps are laughable.
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I would like Utd to go with a young up and coming manager who hasnt been at a big club or european giant.

Someone like De Zerbi.

Though i think we would end up with Potter once Ratcliffe purchase percentage has gone through.
 
Ole has shown that he can come in and turn things around immediately, so why not. That said, the manager is not the problem.
 
I don't know if ETH can hold on to his job but removing him right now makes no difference.
Many have been down this road before, some of which have stated United are in the business of making money, not playing football. Its an after thought.

The players who through previous managers under the bus are still here. I see them and their attitude as the biggest problem.
I of one will no support flavour of the month in a goldfish bowl, De Zerbi this is not Brighton.
I do think if we are doing it we do it now as that would rule out any move for Southgate ,who if hired would make me a checked out United fan.
 
WIth the managers being mentioned all having a different style in play it shows there is no plan. Does anyone really trust those above Ten Hag to pick another manager.

United is the the impossible job at the minute. Managers are hamstrung by so many factors, money, ownership, structure.

De Zerbi - why would he leave Brighton when he's building something special and has been mentioned in succeeding Pep when he leaves City

Zidane - can't speak English and has no interest in managing in the PL as per various articles.

Nagelsmann - Has just started the Germany job

Ruben Amorim - don't know enough about him but he's only 38 and going from managing Sporting to the mess thats United is a bit of a leap.
 
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Sack hag.

Bring in Flick and RR as DOF. Sign all up and coming austrian and german players.
 
From Sky:

Man Utd say links with Zidane 'categorically false'
Manchester United are exploring alternatives to Erik ten Hag, who is considered to be “on thin ice” after overseeing the club’s worst start to a season in 61 years, The Times are reporting.
Man Utd say the story is "categorically false".
Four days after a 3-0 humbling to neighbours Manchester City, holders United were emphatically dumped out of the Carabao Cup in front of their own supporters in a one-sided defeat to Newcastle on Wednesday night.
A senior source at United told The Times that the two heavy defeats had left Ten Hag at risk of being sacked.
The report says the club is understood to view Ruben Amorim, the Sporting Lisbon manager, and Zinedine Zidane, as potential replacements.
 
I was very much behind giving Ten Hag the time and support to mould a team to play his style, but then quotes came out about how he has abandoned any idea of playing the kind of football he was known for from Ajax. I presume this was mainly driven by being obliged to try and get the best of a few key players that he has. It's not been working very well considering we have reached that tipping point where they don't fully back a manager to implement their style and the balance tips back towards the players and its a slippery slope. It would be unusual if he recovers from this point now. I get the feeling that he really does like Rashford, but I have never thought that Bruno was really the type of player that works for him in an ideal situation. Was it not his insistence that he would get the best out of Rashford that landed him the job? He did do that, but then it was contract renewal time . . . .

De Zerbi seems a talented manager, but at Brighton he did not have to take over an unbalanced squad and drastically change their style of play. If we were to make a change, he would seem a logical choice but I have no faith at all that the club would back him to make the changes to the squad that he would need to be able to succeed.
 
The only false bit is the Zidane part. He wouldnt touch us with a barge pole.
 
Ayoba said:
From Sky:

Man Utd say links with Zidane 'categorically false'
Manchester United are exploring alternatives to Erik ten Hag, who is considered to be “on thin ice” after overseeing the club’s worst start to a season in 61 years, The Times are reporting.
Man Utd say the story is "categorically false".
Four days after a 3-0 humbling to neighbours Manchester City, holders United were emphatically dumped out of the Carabao Cup in front of their own supporters in a one-sided defeat to Newcastle on Wednesday night.
A senior source at United told The Times that the two heavy defeats had left Ten Hag at risk of being sacked.
The report says the club is understood to view Ruben Amorim, the Sporting Lisbon manager, and Zinedine Zidane, as potential replacements.
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Rogue senior employees throwing a grenade in the door before they are thrown out by Ratcliffe...
 
RedRocket9908 said:
His win rate of 81.4% at Bayern is superb when you consider Jupp Heynckes who built agueably their best ever side and also won the treble had a win rate of 74.15%
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Pep had 77% with Bayern to give another comparison (2.41 points per game), Flick 2.53 and treble-Heynckes 2.43 if you prefer that metric (so Heynckes even edging Pep in that regard, because Pep lost too many games)

Nonetheless at Bayern it was a kind of perfect storm - a squad build with an idea in mind that aligned very well with his idea of football. The fact that he utterly failed to implement it with the German national team indicates that he struggles if the squad isn't a perfect fit, and that's definitely the case for United. So I would see him as a high risk option. He has proven what he can pull off if everything fits, but also that he is likely to fail if it doesn't
 
Porter seems to be the most obvious candidate, available, PL experience. Chelsea is obviously a black mark but they are possibly an even bigger mess than ourselves and Poch doesn’t seem to have improved things
 
lon ball2 said:
Porter seems to be the most obvious candidate, available, PL experience. Chelsea is obviously a black mark but they are possibly an even bigger mess than ourselves and Poch doesn’t seem to have improved things
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What do you expect Potter to do with a Maguire, Evans and Lindelof back line that Ten Hag couldn’t?

I don’t expect Potter to work magic.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
Flick or Potter short term.

Amorim, Simeone, or Nagelsman in the summer.
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Why what would they offer that Ten Hag can’t?

What do you expect them to do in our current set up significantly better that won’t get better by just having our first XI fit and available?
 
We need Conte or Simeone, a manager who won’t accept players just walking around and actually drop them for not working hard enough,
Our style of football shouldn’t matter much for the next 2/3 years, we have a lack of funds and a god awful squad. We need someone who’ll get 101% out of what’s already here, if one of them came in and got us competing consistently while weeding out the weak links it would be a massive success
 
BenitoSTARR said:
What do you expect Potter to do with a Maguire, Evans and Lindelof back line that Ten Hag couldn’t?

I don’t expect Potter to work magic.
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I’m just speculating. to be honest I have been strongly in favour of ETH, but sadly there is just an air of inevitability about things now, especially after his comments regarding abandoning his principles which have turned alot of fans against him. The strength he projected last year dealing with Ronaldo seems to have been undermined by the club this summer in holding into McT and Maguire…I hope that ETH will play some of the hungry, younger players now to turn things around

Anyway, Pep rates Potter for a reason, and he certainly knows a lot more about football and coaching than any of us, and Potter has a defined way of playing which is what we sorely lack, so I suppose its me leaning into wanting to see that. Plus he would be very accommodating of a head coach role under a DOF/recruiting team, rather than demanding a veto/final say etc. the club certainly needs to stop relying on manager targets, bouncing from style A to style Z and then back again.

the back line isn’t ideal but I’d actually be more concerned about our current lack of goals, and Potters previous lack of goals at Brighton
 
Are we forgetting that he ended our trophy drought last season and came 3rd? That’s better than what Klopp and Guardiola did in their first season. Yes he overachieved last season that’s why everyone’s gunning for him this year. If we beat Fulham on Saturday then he becomes the quickest manager in history for us to get 50 wins. We are gonna be inconsistent when we keep getting injuries left right and centre. Martinez is a vital part to how Ten Hag wants to play out from the back. Shaw hasn’t played for a very long time, Varanes forever injured. We’ve got a new young ST upfront. He deserves time to turn it around… fans need to be patient. Can’t keep changing managers through bad times.
 
While I agree that his signings have not worked out and are awfully overpaid the basic idea of not just buying players for 1 or 2 positions where we need short term improvement but with an overarching idea how the team in the long run should look like is something I respect.
I really hope we stop panic buys and purchasing superstars who have their peak behind them. Nothing against them as person or player but no more Casemiro, Varane, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic etc.
Better go with the youth or loans even if that means a few years in mid table.

What I am not sure about is if ten Hag has the right personality to be a good leader. He comes across more like a drill instructor and a lot of people don't like to work for people like that. This is probably unfair and he might be a cool chap in reality but you need charisma as one of the world's best paid managers.
 
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