So anyone can step in and look good?
I'm thinking back to last season at our very best, with a fully fit and consistent team, and we've still looked nothing like De Zerbi ball.
Who replaces Ten Hag?
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I'm thinking back to last season at our very best, with a fully fit and consistent team, and we've still looked nothing like De Zerbi ball.
This is the point of the structure at Brighton. Tony Bloom knows that bigger clubs can come in and take their manager or best players, and he is happy for them to do so at the right price, because he knows the structure he has created is the backbone for success.
De Zerbi's football is unique. It is very different to that of Potter before him. No reason why Ten Hag couldn't have come in and implement his own brand of football there. That is, if Brighton identified him as a good fot.
I think it was more of a mutual thing, but he's also probably too Dutch for his own good. I think it was a standards/ambition discussion with the board that caused him to leave his position. For what it's worth, Ruud isn't my pick but there are options out there for interim positions is all I'm saying.
We should go for Flick if ETH can’t turn it around.
His (Flick’s) reputation is already a bit damaged so win win situation for him and us.
I said it in Ole’s last few months with us when a lot of people thought he was holding back a talented world class squad.
Back then I said people should be realistic and careful as it could very well happen that we will wait for a very long time until another manager can achieve 3rd and 2nd place back-to-back and reach the CL quarter finals.
Plus until and including the cup final win against Newcastle we actually played more or less like we did in Ole’s two full seasons. Indeed, with a relatively deep line and even less possession than under Ole.
Since the cup final win we changed and I don’t know what we have been doing or playing since.
Therefore we are there again where it could be as bad or even worse under a new manager as long as the root causes and football structure at board level doesn’t change. United can show as many graphics and write as many tweets as possible to show that the manager isn’t responsible for everything including recruitment, but the reality based on most of the signings is completely different.
I am still waiting for ETH to show some promise, but I fear by doing so we will only end up with a couple of more midgets and / or non-physical lightweights.
His (Flick’s) reputation is already a bit damaged so win win situation for him and us.
I said it in Ole’s last few months with us when a lot of people thought he was holding back a talented world class squad.
Back then I said people should be realistic and careful as it could very well happen that we will wait for a very long time until another manager can achieve 3rd and 2nd place back-to-back and reach the CL quarter finals.
Plus until and including the cup final win against Newcastle we actually played more or less like we did in Ole’s two full seasons. Indeed, with a relatively deep line and even less possession than under Ole.
Since the cup final win we changed and I don’t know what we have been doing or playing since.
Therefore we are there again where it could be as bad or even worse under a new manager as long as the root causes and football structure at board level doesn’t change. United can show as many graphics and write as many tweets as possible to show that the manager isn’t responsible for everything including recruitment, but the reality based on most of the signings is completely different.
I am still waiting for ETH to show some promise, but I fear by doing so we will only end up with a couple of more midgets and / or non-physical lightweights.
What’s Low been up to? Lots of experience if needed.
No one wants him because he is way past it. Stay clear.
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It's gonna be a super duo of Dave Brailsford and sir Clive Woodward after Xmas isn't it.
His job was to turn it around, he got more millions than Klopp, Arteta etc. and after 18 months we are even a bigger mess than before.
Flick is looking the best bet.
Not good, even at their height of success i never really rated him and by this point he's a literal dinosaur.
I've never liked Conte but honestly, as an interim if ETH was sacked my only criteria would be who could be more of a cnut to this useless sack of shite of a squad of ours.
I want a professional sadist to exact some revenge on our serial underperformers.
I want a professional sadist to exact some revenge on our serial underperformers.
Wait until the end of the season to see if we can pry Ancelotti away from RM.
Then Conte is your man
Might be a bit of fun that ..
I'm in mwhahahaha
How good is this Gallardo who I have seen touted on here just out of interest. I presume Flick isn't an option after the bad time with Germany
Could De Zerbi make that step up,was a bit worried by that hiding he took at Villa but that generally has been a bit of an anomaly
Fecking bring back Ronaldo as player manager.
Glazers are worse than Kroenke. At least he had the sense, like Lewis, to be indifferent to footballing matters and general day to day running and just let the chairman make do with what money was made available, even if they're ultimately parasites too . The two 'active' Glazer kids have to be the most malignant creatures around when it comes to ownership; they actively interfere , by veto or holding up sales as well as micromanaging badly and without reason elsewhere and not even thinking 'hard-headed' about long-term direction and efficiency (i.e. for facilities, the stadium).
Needed to keep their noses out of recruitment
Be that as it may, they are still only 2 points ahead of us and we finished ahead of them last season? The different levels of expectations can help: there's usually an overperforming side in the premier league (see: wolves, Leicester, etc), it doesn't necessarily mean they're fantastically well managed, there's a lot of ingredients that go into the mix. Lack of European football can help teams as we have seen with Spurs this season and in many cases prior.
No more blooming interim managers. Conte wow what a joke look at the mess he left behind a Spurs and how quickly a decent manager cleaned it up. I really wanted ETH to work out as we can’t keep in the sacking managers after 18months cycle. But it looks like he’s totally lost the dressing room. Also would you trust him to spend another £200m. What the heck was the point in signing Mount? The funny thing is if Liverpool had signed him he would probably be playing amazing and there would be a thread on here saying how crap we are for not getting him. we need a manager who can build a team and improve our players. Who this is I haven’t a clue. But we really need a manager who is convinced he can take United back to the top and wants to be the man to do this.
Whoever comes in next, the club need to change the way they do business . Paying players over the top money means very few clubs can afford them & they become unsaleable. Paying too much in transfer fees because other clubs know you will pay up. The club needs to learn to walk away.
Allowing managers to run the transfer business is crazy, he gets fired and the players don't fit the next managers plans. Hire a proper DOF to work with the manager.
Allowing managers to run the transfer business is crazy, he gets fired and the players don't fit the next managers plans. Hire a proper DOF to work with the manager.
Just seen that times article about United considering Zidane and Amorim.
I have maintained if it wasn't for ETH, I would go for Ruben Amorim. Broke the Benfica/Porto dominance, good communicator, adapts tactically to the opponent.
My only 2 drawbacks are:
- Experience - He's not managed a huge club so will the pressure of United eat him? Being a good communicator with the press can help (which he is).
- Style of play - Plays a 3421, could work well with us but equally so, this is the premier league and it can go horribly wrong. Some view him as a defensive manager. Again, will he get the same label as a say Jose Mourinho, who was labelled as a negative manager? Whilst his teams score goals, it's not a crazy amount for the Portugese league.
I think it's a gamble worth taking. The first manager to break the Benfica/Porto dominance is the main thing that attracts me, I won't lie to you.
I have maintained if it wasn't for ETH, I would go for Ruben Amorim. Broke the Benfica/Porto dominance, good communicator, adapts tactically to the opponent.
My only 2 drawbacks are:
- Experience - He's not managed a huge club so will the pressure of United eat him? Being a good communicator with the press can help (which he is).
- Style of play - Plays a 3421, could work well with us but equally so, this is the premier league and it can go horribly wrong. Some view him as a defensive manager. Again, will he get the same label as a say Jose Mourinho, who was labelled as a negative manager? Whilst his teams score goals, it's not a crazy amount for the Portugese league.
I think it's a gamble worth taking. The first manager to break the Benfica/Porto dominance is the main thing that attracts me, I won't lie to you.
Would Deschamps be interested in a club job? He’s been with France for a while now, seems to be pragmatic enough for a team like ours.
In other words another at least 3 years of letting the likes of city, liverpool and arsenal dominate possession?
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@redNATION you hand on heart think this is a better alternative to Ten Hag?
Zidane is never coming here. Amorim is a cool idea but probably more for the offseason. McKenna is an interesting option, a bit different but I could see him going for youth movement which would earn him more patience with the fans.
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@Yanited__ Plays a 3-4-2-1…
Name me of our current players who could play that successfully?
Takes time to coach that system do you think he’d be afforded that given how little Ten Hag is being given despite having no LB owned by the club and our two best CBs injured or not fully fit?
Does it really matter?
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Amorim would be too different a style to implement mid season in our current footballing set up which isn’t renowned for its flexibility and adaptability.
McKenna playing youth is an absolute pipe dream does anyone in their right mind think that any senior player is getting dropped by McKenna?
Am I going mad here? Or do people genuinely not realise what our club actually is at the moment? It’s not a centre of sporting excellence where patience is afforded it’s currently the play thing of American investment (if you can call it that) that has been internally reviewing its strategy for 12 months….
But yeah let’s change managers because we lost to a vastly superior City side and had a shit game against Newcastle knocking us out of a cup that if we’re being honest we’d want to be out of to focus on the league.
Hansi Flick left Bayern with one of the greatest winning records in modern football history
Plyd 86 W 70 D 9 L 7 GS 255 GA 85 WIN% 81.4
Plyd 86 W 70 D 9 L 7 GS 255 GA 85 WIN% 81.4
Honestly don't give an eff anymore who comes in. If he's good, he stays. If he's not, we move on.
But this time, we don't throw the chequebook at the new manager, we trust our transfer team to do the incoming transfer business. He can give some advice on who to sell to generate money but we'll leave it at that.
But this time, we don't throw the chequebook at the new manager, we trust our transfer team to do the incoming transfer business. He can give some advice on who to sell to generate money but we'll leave it at that.
Flick would be such a mind numbingly blah appointment. How could anyone be enthusiastic for him?
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Except we have no evidence to suggest this should be the case. We’ve only really recently been defining our footballing operations in more concrete terms which with the introduction of Ratcliffe are going to change yet again.
The absolute best thing we can do between now and then is ensure a period of consistency not change for changes sake which is what this is.
Do you mean you want to give the new manager another 400 m to spend if he asks for it?
Unless the result also cones, the idea is recipe for disaster in the scale never seen before. I meant you deflating high paid players value and without European football money, trophies, it hit the club (not the owner) finance to the core. People overrating the influence of some romantic ideas too much. Not even Ajax, or Barcelona could go full youth in less competitive leagues.
Rashford and Martial are the products of the same romantic idea under LVG , and it doesn't look like those same people could enjoy their idea forever. They want just to see newer toy "youth" for the sake of it.
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I don't know but I feel it would work with him here, the priority should be to hire the manager on the premise of what they bring to the table with the present team and he adds varied dynamics from a good press, comfortable in possession and being able to transition.
Really don’t see why not, shown he can handle egos given the French team is full of them, and we’ve tried obvious appointments like Mourinho, LVG and ETH, why not give it to a World Cup winner ? Not sure the other names like Flick or Amorim are any more qualified than Deschamps.
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