Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Godfather said:
I'd take Nagelsmann, Conte or Zidane
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Conte would mean another completely different turn in terms of style. And therefor with big requirements in terms of recruitment. How anyone could want that is beyond me. Especially knowing that the own patience is so small that Conte would haunted out long before his stuff would come to fruition.

Zidane is a tricky bet. His style is characterized by getting out the best of the available personell. Which probably would mean Bruno and Rashford.... So not really sure what the actual point would be short-term wise.

Nagelsmann would be interesting as he is known to suit the plan to the available squad. But knowing about our squads issues this surely has some risks, his time at Bayern wasn't great and on top of that, he is managing the Nationalmannschaft these days.
 
Would love Simeone style of play

Top-scoring teams in Europe's top five leagues in 2023:

Borussia Dortmund - 78
Bayern Munich - 77
Manchester City - 72
ATLÉTICO DE MADRID - 72
 
Rene Muelensteen on an interim basis until everything is sorted out with a DOF and a better manager becomes available.
 
gaffs said:
Ineos seem to be getting their shit together at Nice. Top of the league with Francesco Farioli in charge.

They may repeat the process and bring in Farioli's mentor, De Zerbi, at United.

A man who we know is Premier League proven and has his own philosophy. De Zerbi wouldn't give two shits about who he benches. If they don't work in his system, they are out. Combine De Zerbi with a DOF like Mitchell and you have a winning combination.
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:lol: :lol:

I hate using laughing smilies, but this is honestly ridiculous.

De Zerbi is PL proven after one good season at Brighton? With a team great setup above him picking the players, a squad left behind by Potter that was already on the up, under no pressure whatsoever, it's absolutely night and day to what he'd have to deal with at United. He's done nothing in his career to suggest he could handle the huge pressure, the inflated egos, and the extra responsibility he'd have here.

Even despite that, there's a chance that he could, given time, end up being a success here, but we'd undoubtedly have some very low points, and the fans would need to show some serious patience (the kind that Ten Hag isn't getting) when we inevitably have dips. Brighton are currently on a 4 match winless streak in the league, and are on 1 win in 7 in all competitions, that kind of form would be causing an uproar if it were United.

We can't afford to just follow the "If they don't work in his system, they are out" approach you suggest - if we could then we'd have done it with Ten Hag, as it is we have 2 emergency loan signings and a 37 year old Jonny Evans getting game time because the squad is threadbare and we don't have the money to get people in.
 
Cathy Ferguson said:
How would you handle the situation? How much time should ETH be given? Who should replace him?
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There simply isn't a managerial magic bullet for the situation we're in, the short term route would be to re-adopt the mid block that worked well last season and under Solskjaer, but that would undo all the progress we've made towards being more proactive. Personally I'd stick with the manager, given how good we've become at winning the ball high and in dangerous areas, but if we were to replace him I'd want someone who could continue down the path we've started on, with some experience of the kind of high pressure environment United is, doing well somewhere where there's an expectation to win, even if not at the level United has. I'd have an eye on Nagelsmann as a potential successor for example, he has a similar philosophy and has managed and won at Bayern, so at least has some experience of the level of expectation that would hang over him here.
 
Don’t think we should change managers just yet but the Inter manager might be decent choice. Will stabilise the team with his 3-5-2 formation but he actually plays decent football. Battered his rivals Milan 5-1 this season.
 
Wayne Rooney as interim might not have been bad if we were building something

He seemed to thrive at a condemned Derby team. Going to Birmingham seems to be a wrong move and the fans already hate him, they were already doing well too.

Maybe he would've thrived as the underdog here, or it would just end up like Lampard at Chelsea
 
The Hilton said:
:lol: :lol:

I hate using laughing smilies, but this is honestly ridiculous.

De Zerbi is PL proven after one good season at Brighton? With a team great setup above him picking the players, a squad left behind by Potter that was already on the up, under no pressure whatsoever, it's absolutely night and day to what he'd have to deal with at United. He's done nothing in his career to suggest he could handle the huge pressure, the inflated egos, and the extra responsibility he'd have here.
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Stopped reading right here. This is pure fan fiction. De Zerbi was brought in after they just lost half their team with nothing to spend. And sold off more big stars this year and still ended up scoring more than twice the goals we have.

But according to you, it's just about the pressure in suppose.
 
The Hilton said:
This is faulty logic, and you surely know that. The question is what makes him qualified for the job? Can you point to anything he's won, or achievements that demonstrate an ability to handle the pressure he'd be under here, or any environments he's been successful in that have a similarly dysfunctional setup above him that we do?
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By that definition maybe only ancelotti is fit for the job. You could also say ten hag wasn't suited to the job in the first place given he worked in a previously successful ahax structure and only won the Dutch league
 
The Hilton said:
There simply isn't a managerial magic bullet for the situation we're in, the short term route would be to re-adopt the mid block that worked well last season and under Solskjaer, but that would undo all the progress we've made towards being more proactive. Personally I'd stick with the manager, given how good we've become at winning the ball high and in dangerous areas, but if we were to replace him I'd want someone who could continue down the path we've started on, with some experience of the kind of high pressure environment United is, doing well somewhere where there's an expectation to win, even if not at the level United has. I'd have an eye on Nagelsmann as a potential successor for example, he has a similar philosophy and has managed and won at Bayern, so at least has some experience of the level of expectation that would hang over him here.
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Makes sense but the pressure on ETH and the board to do something is rising with each poor performance. Losing to Newcastle and drawing against Fulham would not be any surprise. If only ETH could have his back four fit again soon but that will not happen. I see very few signs that our attacking play is improving.
 
Poch.
He is type of manager who doesn't need to "build his own team". Guy works with what he has. Lets just wait for his sack in Chelsea.

I don't want another manager who needs to "rebuild". I want a coach whos team will be built by new Dof.
 
Matt851 said:
By that definition maybe only ancelotti is fit for the job. You could also say ten hag wasn't suited to the job in the first place given he worked in a previously successful ahax structure and only won the Dutch league
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Well you see that logic only works for RDZ, who has done nothing in his career but get an Italian club relegated and continued the genius works of Graham Potter
 
Speaks volumes about the levels of apathy I have right now but I truly do not care anymore and wouldn’t bat an eyelid/get excited over any manager stepping into the hot seat.

I’m not even sure how I feel about Ten Hag. There’s undoubtably a lot of questions that can be levelled at him. Largely poor buys in the transfer market, yet these shouldn’t be his decisions to make. We should, like any elite, competent club, have a DOF overseeing the recruitment - not our manager.

We’ve fallen off a cliff since the Carabao Cup final and tactically we don’t seem to have made any progress or have any real, discernible play style that is progressive and exciting. His in-game management has also been questionable but he’s undoubtably shafted by the club and the circus we have become.

I just think we’re a poisoned chalice. If I was a promising manager with a strong reputation in Europe (like Ten Hag was) and had my pick of Europe’s elite, I would avoid this club like the plague. It’s a graveyard that will chew up and spit out anyone that touches it. Same with players coincidentally.

Until the Glazers are out and we see a full scale restructuring from top to bottom, we’ll continue to do absolutely nothing of note. In short, next managerial appointment? Who cares.
 
Potter would be hilarious.

I really just want you guys to get someone who will play positive football. None of that Conte madness
 
mu4c_20le said:
Stopped reading right here. This is pure fan fiction. De Zerbi was brought in after they just lost half their team with nothing to spend. And sold off more big stars this year and still ended up scoring more than twice the goals we have.

But according to you, it's just about the pressure in suppose.
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The irony of you talking about fan fiction, while also claiming a man who has one season under his belt is PL proven, and that he'd just get rid of all the players who don't fit his system - that's most of our squad, so who's he gonna play? We can't afford to bring in replacements for Ten Hag, so does DZ himself have a big wad of cash behind the sofa?

It's just really casual, shallow thinking, pointing to the latest flavour of the month manager without any thought as to his history, his career, being able to list any of his achievements that point to him being able to succeed here. Hell, in this case you're not even acknowledging that the Brighton job isn't the same as the United one.
 
The Hilton said:
The irony of you talking about fan fiction, while also claiming a man who has one season under his belt is PL proven, and that he'd just get rid of all the players who don't fit his system - that's most of our squad, so who's he gonna play? We can't afford to bring in replacements for Ten Hag, so does DZ himself have a big wad of cash behind the sofa?

It's just really casual, shallow thinking, pointing to the latest flavour of the month manager without any thought as to his history, his career, being able to list any of his achievements that point to him being able to succeed here. Hell, in this case you're not even acknowledging that the Brighton job isn't the same as the United one.
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The point I was trying to make is that he can instill his philosophy with a newly assembled team and get them scoring. You keep talking about achievements... that's exactly how Woodward and Murtough handled the interview process, they just looked at CVs. And that's that's how we ended up Van Gaal and Mourinho.

I prefer De Zerbi because I think he's a good fit for us, our players, and our DNA. I don't agree that we should wait until he succeeds at a bigger job and wins something, if that what you meant.
 
mu4c_20le said:
The point I was trying to make is that he can instill his philosophy with a newly assembled team and get them scoring. You keep talking about achievements... that's exactly how Woodward and Murtough handled the interview process, they just looked at CVs. And that's that's how we ended up Van Gaal and Mourinho.

I prefer De Zerbi because I think he's a good fit for us, our players, and our DNA. I don't agree that we should wait until he succeeds at a bigger job and wins something, if that what you meant.
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So is he a good fit for our players now? That I don't agree with at all, our squad is a mixture of Ole style mid block counter attacking specialists who are poor in possession, and Ten Hag pressers who want to win the ball high and play direct. Neither of those are similar to DZ's possession style football.

And what is this newly assembled team you speak of? We can't even afford to bring Amrabat in, where are we getting a newly assembled team?

Achievements are important, they're the difference between playing nice football and actually being successful. Would you be happy if DZ came in and had us playing, and finishing 6th, like he did with Brighton? They're currently 4 matches without a win in the league, and have won 1 in 7 in all competitions, would that be OK? Or having conceded more goals than everyone except the bottom 4? Because those are the kind of things we'd have to deal with early on if we brought him in, we've seen how much these players have struggled with the lesser possession demands of Ten Hag, so the idea that they'd suddenly be masterful under De Zerbi is fanciful.
 
Matt851 said:
By that definition maybe only ancelotti is fit for the job. You could also say ten hag wasn't suited to the job in the first place given he worked in a previously successful ahax structure and only won the Dutch league
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mu4c_20le said:
Well you see that logic only works for RDZ, who has done nothing in his career but get an Italian club relegated and continued the genius works of Graham Potter
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This is a false equivalence, and it's such an obvious one I suspect you know it is, but assuming not, there are a few key differences.

For starters, Ten Hag has actually won something. It isn't a league like the PL, but it was at a club who are expected to win and were in poor shape before he joined. His time at Ajax was a pretty good reflection of what we needed at United, just not at the same level in terms of league or pressure. Actually having some success under a high level of expectation is an important thing to have on the CV for the United job - it's why I haven't been nearly as scathing about the Ange comparisons; he won an easy league title with Celtic but at least he's been in a job where he's expected to win and has done so, and playing football his way too.

De Zerbi's biggest managerial achievement is getting to 6th with a Brighton team that was put together for him thanks to the excellent data driven footballing structure and above him, with no expectations of success. The suggestion wouldn't be quite so bad if we at least had the players to play his style of football, but we don't, and given that we're limited to 3 main signings a season along with emergency loans we won't be putting one together any time soon.

If either of you can make a good argument for why he'd be a success here, taking into account the squad that we have, the lack of funds we have, and the laughable footballing setup above the manager, then I'm happy to be convinced. But as far as I can see it's expecting him to be excellent in areas he's not demonstrated anything in before - identifying signings, dealing with huge egos, and a squad that isn't at all built for his style of football, set against an expectation to win every game.
 
RaddyRed said:
Would love Simeone style of play

Top-scoring teams in Europe's top five leagues in 2023:

Borussia Dortmund - 78
Bayern Munich - 77
Manchester City - 72
ATLÉTICO DE MADRID - 72
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Christ no. His teams are awful to watch.

THE ZOL said:
Rene Muelensteen on an interim basis until everything is sorted out with a DOF and a better manager becomes available.
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That could be a season or two. Why not just stick with ETH then?

mu4c_20le said:
Stopped reading right here. This is pure fan fiction. De Zerbi was brought in after they just lost half their team with nothing to spend. And sold off more big stars this year and still ended up scoring more than twice the goals we have.

But according to you, it's just about the pressure in suppose.
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De Zerbi wasn't in charge of replacing that team though. Brighton obviously are brilliant at finding the perfect players.

Andycoleno9 said:
Poch.
He is type of manager who doesn't need to "build his own team". Guy works with what he has. Lets just wait for his sack in Chelsea.

I don't want another manager who needs to "rebuild". I want a coach whos team will be built by new Dof.
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If he was that good at working with what he has, why would he get sacked at Chelsea?
 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at these suggestions...Conte is the funniest one, for sure.
 
Of the available managers hansi flick would be the choice, his Bayern side was good to watch scored for fun, with Germany he was on a hiding to nothing, they didn’t have a striker, the backs are hit and miss the midfield are all the same.
 
Rockets Redglare said:
Rooney, Meulensteen and Poch all suggested without a hint of irony.

Absolute madness.
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Wish we had taken Poch and Chelsea went with Erik.

Poch is better suited for a club lounge United and with Erik as manager of Chelsea they would be spending billions on every blade of grass that grows on Ajax's ground after buying up their entire team for 90 million each
 
Hugh Jass said:
Yea i agree with this. At this stage we have exhausted a lot of our options - the one ferguson picked (moyes), the possession based one (LVG), the counter attacking one (Mourinho), the fan favourite one (ole), the up and coming one (ten hag). Zidane perhaps but he wont want to come i feel.
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Yeah Zidane wouldn't want to work with these shithouses and don't blame him,Nagelsmann is an interesting shout but could he handle the pressure. Just noticed he has taken Germany national job so not available.
 
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It feels like it doesn't matter who comes in at this point. That EtH quote-if true- pretty much confirms that there are players a manager simply has to work with, and also that every manager we get feels they have to play a 'United way' or to appease a sense of tradition. If this continues then I can't see anything changing.

The only one who tried something a bit different was LVG and fans/ex players hated him.
 
It makes no sense to sack ETH until the new management is in place unless we are in a relegation battle in the new year. If there’s one thing I learned from Ole’s beginning and ending as manager, it’s that sacking the manager without a plan to move forward is a huge mistake. And that doesn’t mean the new manager needs to be lined up. It just means a timeline and list of candidates need to be in place, and clear expectations for a caretaker need to be communicated.
 
Rojofiam said:
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at these suggestions...Conte is the funniest one, for sure.
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Watching his meltdown at Spurs when he had Kane, Son and Kulusevski at his disposal does make you wonder how long he could tolerate working with Sancho and Antony before he tears his wig off.
 
The only good option is to try and beg Xabi Alonso to come manage Liverpool's biggest rivals, and pay through the nose to make it happen.

Then once he agrees to join starting from next season, have him out there looking all sexy and modern in different coloured blazers. Problem solved.
 
Irwin99 said:
That EtH quote-if true- pretty much confirms that there are players a manager simply has to work with, and also that every manager we get feels they have to play a 'United way' or to appease a sense of tradition.
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which quote?
 
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