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Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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Bielsa, you mean?
 
Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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Honestly mate this needs to be fecking drummed into not just United fans but the whole of the board. I swear if I see another United fan say “we need a winner” I’m gonna gonna boil.

We’re at the bottom, we need to get the basics. Get in a proven tactician and top “coach”.
United fans are so weird. They’re happy to push for us signing young players who’ve won nothing of note but the minute you mention a head coach who’s won nothing they have a meltdown.

We need to stop chasing winners and big names or Gareth feckin Southgate. Gasperini, Valverde, Bielsa, Motta, De Zerbi. Get in a coach. Get in someone who has a proven record of completely drilling a team in his way. And then we go from there.
 
Is there a better alternative to Tuchel?

Ideally someone that has top level and maybe even Premier League experience.
 
Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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Good post, which is why I'd be open to someone like Iraola.
 
Ludens the Red said:
Honestly mate this needs to be fecking drummed into not just United fans but the whole of the board. I swear if I see another United fan say “we need a winner” I’m gonna gonna boil.

We’re at the bottom, we need to get the basics. Get in a proven tactician and top “coach”.
United fans are so weird. They’re happy to push for us signing young players who’ve won nothing of note but the minute you mention a head coach who’s won nothing they have a meltdown.

We need to stop chasing winners and big names or Gareth feckin Southgate. Gasperini, Valverde, Bielsa, Motta, De Zerbi. Get in a coach. Get in someone who has a proven record of completely drilling a team in his way. And then we go from there.
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Agreed, we need a change in our club and football culture.
 
Tuchel makes sense for all parties if we want to make a decision in the coming weeks.
 
Tuchel is just not the right manager to take over from this position. Nagelsmann would've been the one for me. I cant believe we didnt make a move on that front.

We need someone who is going to slowly rebuild the squad with us and help develop all these younger players tactically.
 
Redivy said:
Tuchel is just not the right manager to take over from this position. Nagelsmann would've been the one for me. I cant believe we didnt make a move on that front.

We need someone who is going to slowly rebuild the squad with us and help develop all these younger players tactically.
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Exactly. This is not a quick fix. It will take some years to fix, especially with the damage ETH has done with his signings. We have take a punt on someone young to see this through. All these experienced folks will ask for a bucket load of cash to get us CL football for next season and then will 2 years later in the same state.
 
Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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Great post. People are blind and don’t see how dire our situation really is. A rebuild will take time and due to the fact that United is bled dried with over 1bn in debt things needs to be done differently. Someone once said, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
 
I'm surprised Enzo Maresca doesn't seem to be on the shortlist. He's young, did his apprenticeship under Guardiola and has just taken Leicester up as Champions. He must be known to Berrada.
 
Tuchel, ‘big club’ manager, proven winner ….realistically Utd‘s best chance to turn the club around.
 
Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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Top post, great points and perspective. We need to forget about the top of the table, forget top 4 and forget Cup runs just focus on building a team capable of playing the way we want, against anyone and anywhere. We need to identify a manager playing the football we (INEOS, on our behalf) want and ensure that we do a thorough background check because in this job you need a lot of grit, mental fortitude to stay on vision and clarity of thought in the midst of storms that will come regularly in addition to the tactical stuff.

This is a four or five year project and the ownership need to be clear to everyone including senior players and their agents that this is a big job and those expecting title challenges and deep cup runs should look for it elsewhere because it's just not where we are. A lot of things need to be changed and the profiles in that squad realigned.
 
Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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Good post/perspective.
 
Im really impressed with Iraola. But its a huge job. Honestly, there is no standout candidate. Maybe Tuchel would be the safest bet.
 
We could do with a manager that doesn't play a high line but still has his teams playing superior possession based football to suit our team lack of speed and to get the most out of our misspent signings and slowly evolve to a high pressing side over time
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
There are at least half a dozen good options out there if INEOS are serious:

Rúben Amorim - 39 years old

My personal favourite candiate. I believe that both Amorim and Alonso are the next two elite managers in the making. He's maintained a a win percentage of over 70% at every club/role so far in his career.

Taca de Liga winner x3 (one at Braga, two at Sporting)
Primeira Liga winner

And in with a chance of league and cup double this season. Sporting are currently 7 points clear of Benfica with 5 games left to play.

Roberto De Zebri - 44 years old

On course for back to back to top 10 Premier League finishes with Brighton. He guided Brighton to their 1st ever European campaign. He topped his Europa League group and has a good record vs the traditional big teams in England. 44.5% win rate. Potter's win rate was 38.7% in comparison.

Back to back 8th place finishes with Sassuolo in Serie A also.

No other manager in The PL has given more minutes to U21 players than De Zerbri this season. Verbruggen, Hinshelwood, Baleba, Buonanotte, Enciso, Fati, Adingra, Ferguson.

Julian Nagelsmann - 36 years old

Only 36 years old, but already hugely experienced. 8 years of senior management experience already. Earned a big move to Bayern after doing great jobs at both Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig. Harshly treated by the former decision makers at Bayern, he was sacked with a win percentage of over 70%. He's doing a good job at rebuilding Germany ahead of Euro 2024. Musiala and Wirtz featured heavily in their recent friendly wins over France and The Netherlands.

Thomas Tuchel - 50 years old

A mixed spell at Bayern, no doubt. Not helped by Bayern selling off their squad depth in order to fund the signing of Harry Kane and their failure to sign an athletic DM (Palhinha), he's somehow managed to get Bayern to the semi-finals of The Champions League. He'd become the 1st manager in CL history to take three different clubs to the final.

His time at Dortmund, PSG and Chelsea were very good stints. High win percentages and multiple trophies + finals at all three clubs. He was 1 win away from completing a historic quadruple with PSG.

Sebastian Hoeneß - 41 years old

His work at Stuttgart has probably gone under the radar due to Alonso and Leverkusen's success. But he currently has Stuttgart 3rd in The Bundesliga with a win percentage of 64.4% after just a year at the club. CL football is very likely. They have a 7 point gap over Leipzig with 5 games left to play.

Míchel - 48 years old

He has Girona currently 3rd in La Liga with an 8 point gap over Athletic Bilbao who are in 5th. 7 games to go. He's worked well with a squad combined of veterans such as Daley Blind and Cristhian Stuani + young players such as Yan Couto and Sávio. A little bit of a wobble recently, but they've generally played some very good attacking football and could make history this season.
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Nagelsmann is now a no go, but the other 5 would all be attainable if INEOS pursued them.

I'd even take Potter at this stage.

Iraola is also an option.
 
If we wanted amorim you could just get him now. Portuguese league is done and won already
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Nagelsmann is now a no go, but the other 5 would all be attainable if INEOS pursued them.

I'd even take Potter at this stage.

Iraola is also an option.
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Just want to highlight Hoeneß again, Stuttgart are by now the most improved (season to season) team in Bundesliga history, ahead of Tuchel's first Dortmund season (compared to Klopp's final season). Leverkusen might still become second in that metric, but in that regard they will stay behind Stuttgart.
 
Do not care who the manager is next year.

I just want to see approx. 15 players gone in the summer. New players to be offered considerable lower salaries than in the past and then let them play for improved agreements.

No matter who the manager will be, we will be back in the same spot in 2 years.
 
Lee565 said:
We could do with a manager that doesn't play a high line but still has his teams playing superior possession based football to suit our team lack of speed and to get the most out of our misspent signings and slowly evolve to a high pressing side over time
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Whichever direction we take in the summer we are going to need a minimum of 2 CBs and a DM, starting quality so it would be sensible to address those speed issues, which are genuine, during that recruitment process.
 
There are plenty of good managers out there. Amorim is my number one. He has the right personality for the job.

Also, im not sure why we need to pick a "big name". Yes, it helps to have big club, CL or European experience, but what matters most for me is personality and is a good coach. Smaller teams manage to find coaches like Oliver Glasner or Andoni Iraola who vastly improve the team and their players.
 
If only Jose was 15 years younger I’d take him but honestly it’s the era of up and coming managers now and I’m not quite sure who to pick, they all have pluses and missus but who ticks the pluses more for united is the ultimate question.
 
I like Tuchel but he doesn't strike me as the kind of manager that builds teams.

The rumors about Jose wanting the job again too- I just can't fathom why that would appeal to anyone, even Jose himself. If Jose had been in charge and Hojlund put in a performance like last night then he'd be banned from the first team for months. This squad has a mix of so many over the hill players or players that are just too raw, that it just doesn't suit an instant fix, short-term manager.
 



I choose to believe the tuchel one because it is a logical move while the Southgate one would make me puke
 
Malons said:
It's a massive mistake identifying managers who we think are capable of winning us a title. That's not where we are, that's not what we need. If we go down that road we're just repeating mistakes of the past. We need to be identifiyng someone with a history of building a team, even if it isn't to the level of title winners. Just someone who has a track record of leaving clubs he's been involved with in a better state than when he took over; bringing young players through would be a bonus. So many of these names suggest there's still complete denial that the last 10 years haven't happened and the right person and a couple of decent signings and we'll be challenging for the title again.

That's a recipe for disaster and is just setting up whoever takes over to fail as there's such a remote chance any of that will happen that we're almost guaranteeing whoever we get in will be a disappointment. We need stability, then we need progress. Constantly going for managers that indicate that each summer we're giving 'papering over the cracks' another shot, will be a massive mistake.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you here. We don't want a manager's main focus to be building our team, that's what we've tried repeatedly and it always leads to a crisis. Building the squad should be the primary focus for the upper hierarchy such as the DoF and technical director.

Our manager needs to first and foremost get us results. That doesn't have to be winning the title immediately but it does have to be, in the short term, achieving top four and showing progress on the pitch (being able to dominate lower sides, not rolling over to top sides, etc.). Of course the manager will be involved in the signing of players but assigning him with the primary task of "building the squad" will only blind people in the case of consistent poor results as we've seen with Ten Hag as the goalposts will always be shifting based on him not having his "preferred team" yet. If the manager isn't delivering us the results we need then we need to move on, wasting multiple seasons on another Ten Hag or Ole should no longer be acceptable.
 
Look at the options, Tuchel, Potter.. Terrible candidates.. All rejects who doesnt have the power to take on the rotting squad and the new manager would be eaten alive and sacked within a season and two. We need someone who is above the players in the hierarchy and has the power to get rid of those who can't deliver.

Give Mancini or someone like him a two year deal until we can find the right one. A Potter on a 4 year deal would be catastrophic
 
Andersonson said:
Look at the options, Tuchel, Potter.. Terrible candidates.. All rejects who doesnt have the power to take on the rotting squad and the new manager would be eaten alive and sacked within a season and two. We need someone who is above the players in the hierarchy and has the power to get rid of those who can't deliver.

Give Mancini or someone like him a two year deal until we can find the right one. A Potter on a 4 year deal would be catastrophic
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Tuchel is a fantastic option, what are you on about?
 
If it’s Southgate I think I’ll generally give up. Will be the clearest indicator yet that INEOS are fecking clueless and another 3 years wasted. Don’t think I can be assed.
 


We are not getting reliable journos yet, but there's definitely a bit of smoke there.
 
Mark Ogden said yesterday that United won’t be going for Southgate. He broke this crazy story initially
 
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