Who replaces Ten Hag?

[Himannv]

Why?

I don’t get the hype but I’m genuinely open to having my mind changed

See above

Regarding De Zerbi, I like his system and his mindset. The features of his philosophy are:

• Defend and buildup with 6 players (4 at the back and the two midfielders). That creates a numerical advantage of one vs the opposition unless they overcommit so the game is to find the free player.
• His tactics are simple and it's easy for players to follow instructions - all players should be in their designated positions so everyone on the pitch will know where their teammates generally are without looking.
• All players should be good on the ball - his system is usually possession-based.
• There aren't too many squad changes he has to make if he takes over - generally speaking we have what we need for the system to work.
• There is a togetherness to the tactics and the whole team stays deep together so there aren't many spaces to exploit. Working together as a unit is probably his main philosophy.
• He's shown he can give pretty much anyone in the league a game despite not having the biggest stars on the pitch. He can even give the likes of Pep a game.

Most of this is covered here if you like to hear it from the horses mouth:



To give some context to their position in the league, they are just six points behind us, still operating with a limited budget and they're constantly losing their best players every season. On top of that they've had injuries and a very small squad. I mean, they have Danny Welbeck starting for them.

The players seem to absolutely love him despite him actually having a rotation policy (take notes Ten Hag).

Lots to like in my view. Not saying it's a certainty that he'll come in and make us a top team, but that's the case with anyone we hire. However, my view is that he's a very good coach with a philosophy that will work for us both in the short and long term.

 

[daba]

There are reports in Italy that we have made an approach for Thiago Motta however im not convinced he is the right man for the job as he doesnt have much expiriance and his teams seem to conceed a lot of goals.

They have the third best defence in the league… Its scoring goals they tend to be weaker at as their style of play is often very patient and can struggle to break teams down. For what it’s worth they have scored the joint 6th most goals (with Juve), giving them a +20 GD.

Key thing is to bear in mind that he is doing this with Bologna, not Napoli, Juve or the Milan clubs.

EDIT: I can see other posters have called out this chancer. Thanks.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Regarding De Zerbi, I like his system and his mindset. The features of his philosophy are:

• Defend and buildup with 6 players (4 at the back and the two midfielders). That creates a numerical advantage of one vs the opposition unless they overcommit so the game is to find the free player.
• His tactics are simple and it's easy for players to follow instructions - all players should be in their designated positions so everyone on the pitch will know where their teammates generally are without looking.
• All players should be good on the ball - his system is usually possession-based.
• There aren't too many squad changes he has to make if he takes over - generally speaking we have what we need for the system to work.
• There is a togetherness to the tactics and the whole team stays deep together so there aren't many spaces to exploit. Working together as a unit is probably his main philosophy.
• He's shown he can give pretty much anyone in the league a game despite not having the biggest stars on the pitch. He can even give the likes of Pep a game.

Most of this is covered here if you like to hear it from the horses mouth:



To give some context to their position in the league, they are just six points behind us, still operating with a limited budget and they're constantly losing their best players every season. On top of that they've had injuries and a very small squad. I mean, they have Danny Welbeck starting for them.

The players seem to absolutely love him despite him actually having a rotation policy (take notes Ten Hag).

Lots to like in my view. Not saying it's a certainty that he'll come in and make us a top team, but that's the case with anyone we hire. However, my view is that he's a very good coach with a philosophy that will work for us both in the short and long term.

He is essentially what I thought we were getting in Ten Hag.

It'd be a risk, because you never know how managers will acclimate themselves to bigger clubs, but there are positives.

Their underlying metrics were better than ours last season despite finishing lower than us. The bolded bit is what I like the most. Imagine if it clicks for him with better players?

Not sure if he's my 1st choice, but I'd find it intriguing if we hired him.

 

[PeteReDevil]

He is essentially what I thought we were getting in Ten Hag.

It'd be a risk, because you never know how managers will acclimate themselves to bigger clubs, but there are positives.

Their underlying metrics were better than ours last season despite finishing lower than us. The bolded bit is what I like the most. Imagine if it clicks for him with better players?

Not sure if he's my 1st choice, but I'd find it intriguing if we hired him.

I'm close to thinking that he's the only one I'd take over ETH, compared to the other reported options.

 

[SER19]

Why?

I don’t get the hype but I’m genuinely open to having my mind changed



See above





I would take him ahead of Southgate though (serious)

In part because the other options are so poor, but nagelsmann did an excellent job at both clubs before Bayern. At Bayern he was matching Guardiola record there and doing brilliantly in Europe, his sacking was political more than anything. In a short amount of time he's improved Germany. All in all, I'd expect him to be a coach with a very clear plan that he knows how to implement.

But as i said that's my choice out of the current possible ones.

 

[Telsim]

Seems like Thiago Motta, Nagelsmann, and Amorim all have other ideas. The pool is going to get smaller and smaller.

What's the point of all these structural changes inside the club if we don't get a proper manager?

 

[Insanity]

Seems like Thiago Motta, Nagelsmann, and Amorim all have other ideas. The pool is going to get smaller and smaller.

What's the point of all these structural changes inside the club if we don't get a proper manager?

But if you listen to Haggites, Mr Hag is a proper manager. The most proper of proper. He took Ajax to the CL semi-final once beating Real Madrid on the way. People with proper knowledge of football say that is the one of the best, if not the best, ever achievement in football.

Mr Hag cannot be judged until everything is properly set-up for him. We need to find the best in class - Owners, Dof, Technical Director, Squad, the Tea Lady, the tea - each and everything should be in the optimum shape before we can judge 'Aggy. Once that happens, everything is going to be mint.

You modern football fans just don't have the patience. Your fault, buddy!

 

[GoldanoGraham]

You have no clue what is happening yet you mention dithering. They are restructuring the whole footballing element of the club.

I would agree, just because all behind scenes planning is now not being leaked every five minutes Ineos are accused of dithering.

Far from it, I’d assume that they have a very clear plan on what they are doing.

Some people of here want us to fire ETH, have no successor lined up so they can start shouting that they don’t know what they are doing.

Without the new heads of football recruits being in place (summer) we are not going to be hiring a new manager before they arrive. While I’m sure lots of background work is ongoing that my give ETH more time but his days of calling the transfer shots would definitely be finished.

 

[Zed 101]

Right now De Zerbi is seeming the most likely candidate, on a personal level I really don't like the guy, but the SAF was kind of an asshole so maybe not a bad thing, not convinced of his management yet either, yes he has done well but is it on the back of what Potter put in place? bit like when Ranieri took over from Pearson at Leicester. As things stand the next manager (if not ETH) will pretty much be starting from the scratch, not sure who best fits that bill

 

[Laurencio]

Seems like Thiago Motta, Nagelsmann, and Amorim all have other ideas. The pool is going to get smaller and smaller.

What's the point of all these structural changes inside the club if we don't get a proper manager?

We can't know anything about Nagelsman. He was brought in to Germany to specifically get them to perform well and not be embarrassed, given that they are the host country. His future will be unknown to the media until after the Euros, anything else would crucify him in Germany.

Aside from that Amorim and Motta are both risks - none of them have managed top clubs under massive media scrutiny before, or managed bonafied stars - which is what you need to win tittles. There are a bunch of other managers out there who have have done so for many years though; Luis Enrique, Carlo Ancelotti, Thomas Tuchel, Massimo Allegri, Simeone Inzaghi. All of these manages have proven themselves to be resilient in the face of media pressure, shown a high degree of tactical expertise and managed some very difficult personalities and players, and had them perform well. Tuchel might have started to fall off a bit, but we don't really know what went on at Bayern - and we know they incorrectly sacked Nagelsman, so how chaotic their upper management is right now is anyone's guess.

Right now De Zerbi is seeming the most likely candidate, on a personal level I really don't like the guy, but the SAF was kind of an asshole so maybe not a bad thing, not convinced of his management yet either, yes he has done well but is it on the back of what Potter put in place? bit like when Ranieri took over from Pearson at Leicester. As things stand the next manager (if not ETH) will pretty much be starting from the scratch, not sure who best fits that bill

It's as risky as it was to hire Ten Hag. We have no idea how De Zerbi performs at a top club with immense media pressure. He can lose 5 matches in a row and the media will fall over themselves in a love-fest about the two matches he wins. That doesn't happen when you are the manager of Man Utd.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I think it'll be ETH for another season,personally.

 

[stevoc]

Wouldn't it make more sense for you to beg United to take Poch from you?

Poch is doing a great job at Chelsea, once their structure is fully in place to support him. The players learn the system he wants to play and he spends another billion it'll all come together. He just needs more time and petience.

 

[Jaae]

Xavi. Xavi. Xavi. Xavi.

 

[FrankDrebin]

The same Xavi Barca fans are glad to see the back of?

 

[Laurencio]

The same Xavi Barca fans are glad to see the back of?

What do they know. They wanted rid of Luis Enrique too.

 

[stefan92]

We can't know anything about Nagelsman. He was brought in to Germany to specifically get them to perform well and not be embarrassed, given that they are the host country. His future will be unknown to the media until after the Euros, anything else would crucify him in Germany.

Actually Nagelsmann has already said that he would like to have his future decided before the Euros and nobody is bothered by that as far as I can see. As you said he was brought in for a mission so nobody would see a reason to crucify him for that. Probably on the contrary he would be criticised if there are rumours that he is in talks with clubs while the Euro is ongoing for a lack of focus on his task at hand for example.

 

[Rojofiam]

We won't be able to replace ETH with a better manager than Pep or Arteta, however Klopp is finally leaving Liverpool.

With or without ETH, the only way we can reach City and Arsenal's level is if we hoard the best possible talent out there.

When I say the best possible talent, I mean the likes of Rice, de Jong, Bellingham, Haaland, Gvardiol, Camavinga, Tchouaméni, etc. from the last few years.

We did make some good signings recently, but I'd only consider Hojlund, Onana, and Martínez truly elite level players where we got one of the few elite options that were available on the market. We shouldn't only go for these type of transfers, but we'll need them, especially early on in the rebuild.

 

[Laurencio]

Actually Nagelsmann has already said that he would like to have his future decided before the Euros and nobody is bothered by that as far as I can see. As you said he was brought in for a mission so nobody would see a reason to crucify him for that. Probably on the contrary he would be criticised if there are rumours that he is in talks with clubs while the Euro is ongoing for a lack of focus on his task at hand for example.

@ SIR JIM RATCLIFFE

 

[Reiver]

Regarding De Zerbi, I like his system and his mindset. The features of his philosophy are:

• Defend and buildup with 6 players (4 at the back and the two midfielders). That creates a numerical advantage of one vs the opposition unless they overcommit so the game is to find the free player.
• His tactics are simple and it's easy for players to follow instructions - all players should be in their designated positions so everyone on the pitch will know where their teammates generally are without looking.
• All players should be good on the ball - his system is usually possession-based.
• There aren't too many squad changes he has to make if he takes over - generally speaking we have what we need for the system to work.
• There is a togetherness to the tactics and the whole team stays deep together so there aren't many spaces to exploit. Working together as a unit is probably his main philosophy.
• He's shown he can give pretty much anyone in the league a game despite not having the biggest stars on the pitch. He can even give the likes of Pep a game.

Most of this is covered here if you like to hear it from the horses mouth:



To give some context to their position in the league, they are just six points behind us, still operating with a limited budget and they're constantly losing their best players every season. On top of that they've had injuries and a very small squad. I mean, they have Danny Welbeck starting for them.

The players seem to absolutely love him despite him actually having a rotation policy (take notes Ten Hag).

Lots to like in my view. Not saying it's a certainty that he'll come in and make us a top team, but that's the case with anyone we hire. However, my view is that he's a very good coach with a philosophy that will work for us both in the short and long term.

Thanks for this and the link. I'm still not sure about him but definitely more in his camp than I was.

 

[Jaae]

The same Xavi Barca fans are glad to see the back of?

Why is that?

Won La Liga last year, currently 2nd + one foot in the CL semifinal with an underwhelming squad and no money to spend yet the fans can’t wait for him to leave apparently. It’s good for a fan base to have standards but I’m not sure what more they can realistically expect.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Why is that?

Won La Liga last year, currently 2nd + one foot in the CL semifinal with an underwhelming squad and no money to spend yet the fans can’t wait for him to leave apparently. It’s good for a fan base to have standards but I’m not sure what more they can realistically expect.

Purely on the face of it, his success reads well but they don't enjoy the football they play and general his squad management.

 

[izak]

Xavi. Xavi. Xavi. Xavi.

Yea I just posted in the ETH thread asking why he's not even mentioned with a any link to us.

We should definitely be looking at him, didn't he win the league with Barca in his first full season?

 

[Woziak]

Yea I just posted in the ETH thread asking why he's not even mentioned with a any link to us.

We should definitely be looking at him, didn't he win the league with Barca in his first full season?

I think you’ll find Ancelotti might also be on the market if these lose big to City at the Empihad, genuinely think Sir Jim is waiting for other options but with Berrarda being very well aquatinted with Xavi, that is not as outrageous as most people first thought ?

 

[Offsideagain]

How about another bald Dutchman in Arne Slot? He's turned Feyenoord into a winning team in three seasons. Not sure who will make the decision with EtH SJR or one or all of the guys coming in Berrada etc.

 

[Zoo]

How about another bald Dutchman in Arne Slot? He's turned Feyenoord into a winning team in three seasons. Not sure who will make the decision with EtH SJR or one or all of the guys coming in Berrada etc.

We should stay away from Dutch coaches especially ones with little to no experience outside of the Eredevisie.

 

[reddevilz007]

Regarding De Zerbi, I like his system and his mindset. The features of his philosophy are:

• Defend and buildup with 6 players (4 at the back and the two midfielders). That creates a numerical advantage of one vs the opposition unless they overcommit so the game is to find the free player.
• His tactics are simple and it's easy for players to follow instructions - all players should be in their designated positions so everyone on the pitch will know where their teammates generally are without looking.
• All players should be good on the ball - his system is usually possession-based.
• There aren't too many squad changes he has to make if he takes over - generally speaking we have what we need for the system to work.
• There is a togetherness to the tactics and the whole team stays deep together so there aren't many spaces to exploit. Working together as a unit is probably his main philosophy.
• He's shown he can give pretty much anyone in the league a game despite not having the biggest stars on the pitch. He can even give the likes of Pep a game.

Most of this is covered here if you like to hear it from the horses mouth:



To give some context to their position in the league, they are just six points behind us, still operating with a limited budget and they're constantly losing their best players every season. On top of that they've had injuries and a very small squad. I mean, they have Danny Welbeck starting for them.

The players seem to absolutely love him despite him actually having a rotation policy (take notes Ten Hag).

Lots to like in my view. Not saying it's a certainty that he'll come in and make us a top team, but that's the case with anyone we hire. However, my view is that he's a very good coach with a philosophy that will work for us both in the short and long term.

If his system is possession based, that means the end of Bruno and Rashford. I’m all for it.
Bruno can’t keep the ball, and Rashford’s IQ is next to none.

 

[Maticmaker]

For me its all about personality, for the moment forget styles of play, we all know football is forever evolving so we don't want a yesterdays man, or someone whose style of play is becoming dated. The reality is the new manager has to be someone who sees and understands the future of football, probably ten years down the line.

We've have had two fantastic managers at our club (and one or two not so bad). The key thing about Sir Matt Busby was his personality he, understood almost everything he had to understand about football especially 'in his time'. He was once described as a man who spoke softly and carried a big stick, very personable man, but as hard as nails underneath, it was his single -mindedness that took United into Europe.
SAF was an altogether more 'in your face' character, but he also knew which way the wind was blowing and plotted a future for the club in the newly emerging PL in the late 80's/early 90's, with a record 13 PL titles, still unbeaten, ten years after he retired.

When people talk about these two men it's often about how their teams played, but that was then and this is now, the question is will the new manager, whoever; first of all understand how the professional game is going to pan out over the next ten years, the future with women's football, super-leagues, nation states owning football clubs, a government regulator in place, etc? Secondly will he/she be allowed to manage, or is Sir Jim just looking for a top class coach?

 

[RedRocket9908]

 

[FrankDrebin]

The Sun thankfully.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Imagine Potter with a team that already doesn’t know how to score goals

 

[SouthMancRed]

Oh it's a Potter day today is it. The media rotate the narrative between him, Southgate, Erik goes in the summer or Erik stays as they don't have a clue. It'll be Southgate's turn next.

 

[Lash]

Seems like Thiago Motta, Nagelsmann, and Amorim all have other ideas. The pool is going to get smaller and smaller.

What's the point of all these structural changes inside the club if we don't get a proper manager?

It's not going to get smaller and smaller, because obviously people improve as well. The pool of managers doesn't remain static.

Girona's manager Michel might have another fantastic season and then be an option, Ruben Baraja may continue to improve with Valencia and become an option. Luis Enrique may be an option after next season, Francesco Farioli may continue his progression at Nice and earn himself the next step in INEOS hierachy. Inzaghi could be an option after another fantastic year with Inter. Seb Hoeneß at Stuggart might also continue his progression.

We do not need to rush into a new manager, especially if it's fecking Potter or Southgate. For what it's worth, I quite like Potter, but I'm not clamouring for him.

 

[Chumpsbechumps]

Imagine Potter with a team that already doesn’t know how to score goals

I have absolutely nothing against Potter , but he’s done nothing Moyes hasn’t done by the time he took over United. One of the issues with the United job is that it swallows up managers , players egos destroy managers, good managers have struggled badly.

What exactly has Potter done, in a pressure environment, to suggest he will be able to bring whatever quality’s he has to United ? He’s less experienced than ETH was when he took over and the one high profile job he had, went really bad.

For all the “what has ETH done to deserve another year” sentiment , an even more concerning one for me is “what has Potter done to suggest he can manage such a massive job with players with massive egos and an expectation he hasn’t experienced”.

 

[Himannv]

If his system is possession based, that means the end of Bruno and Rashford. I’m all for it.
Bruno can’t keep the ball, and Rashford’s IQ is next to none.

Rashford is a poor fit for most modern systems and is horrible when out of form. I don’t know if De Zerbie or any manager would straight up drop him though. Hard to say.

Bruno may still be serviceable since he’d be playing closer to goal with less opposition players around him where his erratic Hollywood passing is less likely to bite us in the arse.

 

[Himannv]

When people talk about these two men it's often about how their teams played, but that was then and this is now, the question is will the new manager, whoever; first of all understand how the professional game is going to pan out over the next ten years, the future with women's football, super-leagues, nation states owning football clubs, a government regulator in place, etc? Secondly will he/she be allowed to manage, or is Sir Jim just looking for a top class coach?

The position you’re speaking of has already been filled. Football has changed quite a bit and directors of various flavors now look into future, sustainability, direction, academy, progress, etc. In short, the new owners will be looking for a coach whose philosophy matches the direction the club wants to go. And if this coach leaves another will take his place with similar or comparable philosophy thus ensuring continuity.

 

[Maticmaker]

The position you’re speaking of has already been filled. Football has changed quite a bit and directors of various flavors now look into future, sustainability, direction, academy, progress, etc. In short, the new owners will be looking for a coach whose philosophy matches the direction the club wants to go. And if this coach leaves another will take his place with similar or comparable philosophy thus ensuring continuity.

Previously we have been led to believe this was already underway, with an assortment of technical managers and assistants, a 'triumvirate' of specialists etc. i.e. before Sir Jim arrived, but it didn't seem to work very well. Hence going forward the "proof of the pudding"... so to speak, remains to be seen.

The 'key' no doubt will be in the internal structures that allow the various directors to co-ordinate their respective roles and not, as in the past each seeming to operate in their own 'silo'. Whoever is brought in as the main 'coach' will need to be able to understand how these director role's impinge on his/her own, 'final say' etc. and IMO very important to this is the personality of the person occupying that key role.

 

[Himannv]

Previously we have been led to believe this was already underway, with an assortment of technical managers and assistants, a 'triumvirate' of specialists etc. i.e. before Sir Jim arrived, but it didn't seem to work very well. Hence going forward the "proof of the pudding"... so to speak, remains to be seen.

The 'key' no doubt will be in the internal structures that allow the various directors to co-ordinate their respective roles and not, as in the past each seeming to operate in their own 'silo'. Whoever is brought in as the main 'coach' will need to be able to understand how these director role's impinge on his/her own, 'final say' etc. and IMO very important to this is the personality of the person occupying that key role.

I agree with that. It does remain to be seen how it will all work out. The signs do seem promising in my view, but let’s keep our fingers crossed.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

With so many big jobs opening up this summer, there are a lot of competition for manager. Bayern and Liverpool are actively looking at the moment, and Chelsea/United may be looking as well. The pool of managers available is very small.

Tuchel
Mourinho
Xavi
Hansi Flick
Conte
Nagelsmann
Potter

I wonder who Man Utd will be after if they decide to part with ETH.

 

[saivet]

Actually Nagelsmann has already said that he would like to have his future decided before the Euros and nobody is bothered by that as far as I can see. As you said he was brought in for a mission so nobody would see a reason to crucify him for that. Probably on the contrary he would be criticised if there are rumours that he is in talks with clubs while the Euro is ongoing for a lack of focus on his task at hand for example.

It's part of the reason why I don't buy any of the Southgate links. He's publicly come out and said he won't speak to clubs about jobs before the Euros, so he'll come out looking silly and under increasing pressure and criticism if he did take accept a job beforehand. United, like other clubs will want to have any new manager in place or at least agreed prior to the Euros so it would be pretty crazy for United to wait until England have finished at the Euros to then sack ETH and appoint Southgate (assuming he even wants the job). It just doesn't make much sense for any of the parties involved, unlike Nagalsman who like you said has made his position clear in the opposite direction.

If Southgate leaves England, I'd expect him to take a break and if he wants to go back into club football, it won't be this summer.

 

[mu4c_20le]

I have absolutely nothing against Potter , but he’s done nothing Moyes hasn’t done by the time he took over United. One of the issues with the United job is that it swallows up managers , players egos destroy managers, good managers have struggled badly.

What exactly has Potter done, in a pressure environment, to suggest he will be able to bring whatever quality’s he has to United ? He’s less experienced than ETH was when he took over and the one high profile job he had, went really bad.

For all the “what has ETH done to deserve another year” sentiment , an even more concerning one for me is “what has Potter done to suggest he can manage such a massive job with players with massive egos and an expectation he hasn’t experienced”.

When Potter was sacked last April, he had 10 or 11 defeats. Ten Hag already has 12 with a better squad. If Potter's season went really bad like you said, I'd love to hear what you would call Ten Hag's.