Who replaces Ten Hag?

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Whoever replaces Ten Hag, I always felt United needed more of an Ancelotti type manager rather than a dogmatic coach.
Ferguson was tactically sound but was mostly pragmatic and knew how to motivate his players.

What we’ve seen in the last decades is either players ego ruining the club’s atmosphere or on the other hand players totally devoid of confidence.
So in my view we should get a manager that will know how to make the team win and play with confidence again, not a coach that will die with his ideas
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Sure but I think Valverde was interested when Murtough was sounding out replacements for Ole until he settled on Rangnick.
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I mean if we have a choice of him / Gasperini (poorly spelt) and Southgate il take anyone but Southgate!
 
De Zerbi, Unai Emery or Eddie Howe.

We have to go for proven PL managers who know how to play.
 
I'm confident in Brailsford, Berrada, Ashworth and co. will make s good decision.
I never had that under Woodward, Murtough and Arnold.
 
So the new management is not bothered that we are throwing away any chance of a CL qualification. Great!
 
redNATION said:
If Zidanes not interested, then perhaps we can coax Luis Enrique to leave PSG, play us some of that sweet tiki taka like Barca of old.
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No good. They won and played the way they did because of their forwards, (especially Messi) played at their absolute best in the second half of 2014/15 and it wasn't tikitaka rather the good old transitional football.
RedCoffee said:
De Zerbi, Unai Emery or Eddie Howe.

We have to go for proven PL managers who know how to play.
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Emery us a good shout. How about Gesperini? Was really impressed by Atalanta the other night.
 
Conte, Velverde, Simeone, Allegri, emery...are scary choices. Unless we plan to get bored to death.

DeZerbi, Howe, Potter, Southgate...all reek of mediocrity.

Nagelsmann...can't get over the fact that he was schooled by Ole in a game where he set-up naively and we tore them apart.

Inzaghi is a lot of more acceptable than any of those. Seems to be an upwards trajectory and has experience of winning things. His football is not that exciting, though.

Zidane and Carlos sound like good choices, at least on paper.

Alonso is the current standout candidate. But seems like he has committed to Neverkusen for another season at least.

If we want to take a punt then my choices would be either McKenna or Motta, with a slight bias for McKenna.
 
Uni Emery……what he has done with Villa in a short period of time is great - he is well proven tactically, in Europe and now well schooled in the EPL - he is also more of a guy that would stick round for a long term plan.

Reckon he’d fancy another go at a really top/big club.
 
Insanity said:
Conte, Velverde, Simeone, Allegri, emery...are scary choices. Unless we plan to get bored to death.

DeZerbi, Howe, Potter, Southgate...all reek of mediocrity.

Nagelsmann...can't get over the fact that he was schooled by Ole in a game where he set-up naively and we tore them apart.

Inzaghi is a lot of more acceptable than any of those. Seems to be an upwards trajectory and has experience of winning things. His football is not that exciting, though.

Zidane and Carlos sound like good choices, at least on paper.

Alonso is the current standout candidate. But seems like he has committed to Neverkusen for another season at least.

If we want to take a punt then my choices would be either McKenna or Motta, with a slight bias for McKenna.
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Seems a little harsh on Nagelsmann given Leipzig won the other game and qualified for the last 16 over us.
 
Emery won't leave Villa now, especially when he has the opportunity to compete in the CL with them.
I'm more concerned about Southgate being considered a favorite by the bookies.
 
Anyone who’s amenable to adapting their tactics to the situation, learning from mistakes would be far better compared to him. We don’t need someone who’s stubborn and believes in grandeurs of their own delusions at the helm. There’s definitely many managers who’d qualify in this regard.
 
It's probably going to be Southgate. He's exceptionally good at deflecting blame from players, he motivates players into decent 7 out of 7 performances consistently, he's risk averse and makes mediocre players integral to a stable reshaping of a squad, he is beloved by England players (including our own) and he has experience with changing the culture of a behemoth of a football organisation. If you wanted a transition manager you could count on being loyal, handle the media, protect the players, rebuild the squad while maintaining decent (not great) performances from the likes of Rashford, Maguire, Scott, Shaw, and be a driving force in a cultural reboot of the club - it's probably him. He's probably not the next-level kind of manager, I can't see him winning a bunch of trophies, but he's definitely a "stable ship" kind of manager. I would prefer Nagelsman or Luis Enrique, but I'm starting to see how Southgate could fit in as the transitional option. Unfortunately I think we're in for a few years of transition.
 
You lot believe SJR will get Southgate after hiring best in class in every leadership position?
 
Laurencio said:
It's probably going to be Southgate. He's exceptionally good at deflecting blame from players, he motivates players into decent 7 out of 7 performances consistently, he's risk averse and makes mediocre players integral to a stable reshaping of a squad, he is beloved by England players (including our own) and he has experience with changing the culture of a behemoth of a football organisation. If you wanted a transition manager you could count on being loyal, handle the media, protect the players, rebuild the squad while maintaining decent (not great) performances from the likes of Rashford, Maguire, Scott, Shaw, and be a driving force in a cultural reboot of the club - it's probably him. He's probably not the next-level kind of manager, I can't see him winning a bunch of trophies, but he's definitely a "stable ship" kind of manager. I would prefer Nagelsman or Luis Enrique, but I'm starting to see how Southgate could fit in as the transitional option. Unfortunately I think we're in for a few years of transition.
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Laughable that United fans are even entertaining this, no offence.

At worst-case, our options should be RDZ or Potter - not a fella who hasn't managed a club in over 10 years.
 
Ubik said:
Seems a little harsh on Nagelsmann given Leipzig won the other game and qualified for the last 16 over us.
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Bit like when Ole lost to Jose's spurs 6-1 at the start of the season, we went on to finish 2nd and he ended up getting the sack. Individual results may not mean much, but people still remember them.
 
idek2346 said:
Laughable that United fans are even entertaining this, no offence.

At worst-case, our options should be RDZ or Potter - not a fella who hasn't managed a club in over 10 years.
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None taken. It's more to do with a feeling of resignation after this shitshow of a season than anything. I don't think Potter is an better option though.

Honestly it should be Xabi, Nagelsman or Enrique IMO .
 
Laurencio said:
It's probably going to be Southgate. He's exceptionally good at deflecting blame from players, he motivates players into decent 7 out of 7 performances consistently, he's risk averse and makes mediocre players integral to a stable reshaping of a squad, he is beloved by England players (including our own) and he has experience with changing the culture of a behemoth of a football organisation. If you wanted a transition manager you could count on being loyal, handle the media, protect the players, rebuild the squad while maintaining decent (not great) performances from the likes of Rashford, Maguire, Scott, Shaw, and be a driving force in a cultural reboot of the club - it's probably him. He's probably not the next-level kind of manager, I can't see him winning a bunch of trophies, but he's definitely a "stable ship" kind of manager. I would prefer Nagelsman or Luis Enrique, but I'm starting to see how Southgate could fit in as the transitional option. Unfortunately I think we're in for a few years of transition.
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Please don't make it make sense. If enough of us say it's ridiculous and impossible, it won't actually happen. Like with global warming and stuff.
 
didz said:
Please don't make it make sense. If enough of us say it's ridiculous and impossible, it won't actually happen. Like with global warming and stuff.
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I hear closing your eyes, sticking fingers in your ears and shouting "La lalala I can't hear you" is very effective.
 
VP89 said:
If we are going the 60+ route we might as well consider Gasperini no?
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Again, I can see the potential for Ineos to go that route. An older head who might just be the right person to manage us for the next couple of years at least. Then once a stand out, younger candidate is available, we make a move. Unless Gasperini, or whoever, is doing well anyway. It's why I felt Ancelotti could have been the ideal candidate for now.
 
Insanity said:
Conte, Velverde, Simeone, Allegri, emery...are scary choices. Unless we plan to get bored to death.

DeZerbi, Howe, Potter, Southgate...all reek of mediocrity.

Nagelsmann...can't get over the fact that he was schooled by Ole in a game where he set-up naively and we tore them apart.

Inzaghi is a lot of more acceptable than any of those. Seems to be an upwards trajectory and has experience of winning things. His football is not that exciting, though.

Zidane and Carlos sound like good choices, at least on paper.

Alonso is the current standout candidate. But seems like he has committed to Neverkusen for another season at least.

If we want to take a punt then my choices would be either McKenna or Motta, with a slight bias for McKenna.
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Not going to argue with who you prefer, but it is fascinating how you have written off a long list of very good managers there, and landed on McKenna of Ipswich Town. You can't say RDZ and Eddie Howe, for example, "reeks of mediocrity" and then suggest we hire a championship manager that has yet to do anything at the top level.

Fair enough if you'd given the rest their dues, but I'd argue that, by your logic, McKenna would be the epitome of mediocrity, even though I don't necessarily think that.

My own opinion on McKenna is that we can't hire him next unless he's one of only a few options. I'd give him time to establish himself with a view that, if he proves himself, he's an option for the future.
 
Chicharo said:
Emery won't leave Villa now, especially when he has the opportunity to compete in the CL with them.
I'm more concerned about Southgate being considered a favorite by the bookies.
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You never know. I mean as good an achievement is this for him / Villa they aren’t exactly going to win the thing. And a United stature job may not come around again for Emery. Honestly I can’t quite understand why he isn’t a candidate - he’s the one with the best resume.

Personally I’d want a more attack minded coach but surely he’d be a much better option than the two favourites?
 
Would anyone have wanted Alonso before he joined Leverkusen? I expect not. But the point is, what's wrong with taking a gamble on someone unknown in coaching? Why can't we find our own Pep or Alonso? It's incredibly narrow minded to think we should stick with some crap Dutch bloke simply because we can't get high profiles like Klopp, Ancellotti or Zidane, therefore literally no one else is suitable.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
You never know. I mean as good an achievement is this for him / Villa they aren’t exactly going to win the thing. And a United stature job may not come around again for Emery. Honestly I can’t quite understand why he isn’t a candidate - he’s the one with the best resume.

Personally I’d want a more attack minded coach but surely he’d be a much better option than the two favourites?
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I’d say he’s quite attack minded. I don’t like his suicidal high line though. That’s the reason we was able to come back against them from 2-0 down.
 
gaffs said:
Get Rúben Amorim before Liverpool do.
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Ye he could become the next big manager. Would also annoy them if he chose us over them. Right now though I think there a better option for most managers. We need a lot of work doing to the squad and some managers won’t be up to squad building.
 
pocco said:
Not going to argue with who you prefer, but it is fascinating how you have written off a long list of very good managers there, and landed on McKenna of Ipswich Town. You can't say RDZ and Eddie Howe, for example, "reeks of mediocrity" and then suggest we hire a championship manager that has yet to do anything at the top level.

Fair enough if you'd given the rest their dues, but I'd argue that, by your logic, McKenna would be the epitome of mediocrity, even though I don't necessarily think that.

My own opinion on McKenna is that we can't hire him next unless he's one of only a few options. I'd give him time to establish himself with a view that, if he proves himself, he's an option for the future.
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I think there is a difference between "a Championship manager" and someone who is currently managing in the championship. If McKenna is a "championship manager", then Pep was a Barca B manager, Zidane was a Real Madrid Castilla manager and Arteta was an assistant. And I am no way suggesting that he'll have the same career trajectory as those guys (and I also mentioned him as a punt) but from what I have seen, his team play exciting football and his rise with a team that was in the bottom half of the League 1 when he took over to where they are now is marvelous. He also has experience coaching at this club under Ole so also has the advantage of familiarity with the club and the premier league.

To me, nothing about his career suggests that his appointment would be the "epitome of mediocrity". It would be a calculated risk (A very high risk mind you) based on his career graph so far.
 
Ubik said:
Seems a little harsh on Nagelsmann given Leipzig won the other game and qualified for the last 16 over us.
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Probably. I am sure that one game doesn't define his career. But I found his system to be very naive, to gung-ho, and can see how it'll fail in this league.

About him winning the second leg, that was completely on Ole and his lack of bravery. He set us up to draw that game despite us having a measure of his team in the first leg. It was so annoying.
 
Rojofiam said:
We won't be able to replace ETH with a better manager than Pep or Arteta, however Klopp is finally leaving Liverpool.

With or without ETH, the only way we can reach City and Arsenal's level is if we hoard the best possible talent out there.

When I say the best possible talent, I mean the likes of Rice, de Jong, Bellingham, Haaland, Gvardiol, Camavinga, Tchouaméni, etc. from the last few years.

We did make some good signings recently, but I'd only consider Hojlund, Onana, and Martínez truly elite level players where we got one of the few elite options that were available on the market. We shouldn't only go for these type of transfers, but we'll need them, especially early on in the rebuild.
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Hojlund is not elite level player. Not by any means.
 
DJ_21 said:
Ye he could become the next big manager. Would also annoy them if he chose us over them. Right now though I think there a better option for most managers. We need a lot of work doing to the squad and some managers won’t be up to squad building.
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Which is what everyone said about Ten Hag too. Amorim is a risky option. Plenty of more proven alternatives out there. Man Utd in transition shouldn't be going for someone with no proven ability to do the job at a high level and with high level players. It's different with Liverpool, because they have a quite decent squad and nowhere near as many issues at the club.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
Would anyone have wanted Alonso before he joined Leverkusen? I expect not. But the point is, what's wrong with taking a gamble on someone unknown in coaching? Why can't we find our own Pep or Alonso? It's incredibly narrow minded to think we should stick with some crap Dutch bloke simply because we can't get high profiles like Klopp, Ancellotti or Zidane, therefore literally no one else is suitable.
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Fully agree with you. Ange and de Zerbi came a bit out of nowhere and did good jobs in the PL. Arteta didn`t do much before taking over at Arsenal.
There are of course lots of good, promising managers out there that we could look at.
We will soon have a good setup and organisation above the manager/head coach which will lessen the need for only the most experienced and most decorated managers out there.
 
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