It wasn't. I said RVP was the better striker, but Rooney has more to his game
Who is the better 'Striker'?
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Oh sorry, what makes you say so though? Its a genuine question. I too felt he was the better player but am not sure anymore.
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To be clearer, Rooney obviusly is more versatile and thus for instance, makes a better CM than RVP. Is it really that big a plus though? A club like ours shouldnt need to play him there anyways.
I agree with this
I don't even think Rooney is an out an out striker, he can play so many roles. RVP is clearly the better striker, his positioning and his sharpness in front of the goal are beter than Rooneys. But Rooney has a lovely pass and his link up play is beter.
Rooney's versatility would be a big point in his favor, RVP you can largely only play up top. Then you have the fact Rooney is always looking to try and get on the ball and dictate play, has a better passing range and much better defensively and work rate wise. You see plenty of games where if the supply to RVP gets cut off he can't impact the game that well, where Rooney still manages to do that by coming deep. In the end you have to think if I was building a team around a player which would I take, and that would be Rooney for me.
van Persie certainly, but on the other hand, my opinion is only going to be stronger when Rooney hasn't played as a number nine regularly for two/three years now. Superior movement, greater technical ability, hold-up play and shooting accuracy. Rooney possesses the greater guile, energy and mobility (albeit regressing at a fast rate), but van Persie is just simply a classier and more elegant football who is more reliable in that role.
RVP is in a different level as far as technique, composure and finishing goes, his hold up play is also exceptional compared to Rooney's. But Rooney is probably the player you'd want in your team though I'd argue because he's versatile and is very good in a number of positions despite not being exceptional in any. Rooney's best position these days is as a main striker but RVP is better at that.
Fair enough.
But then, that'd be restricted to how much better Rooney is as a No 10 than RVP. Any other position and Rooney simply isnt good enough for that to matter. That said, I'm surprised at how unwilling Rooney seems to actually play that role nowadays. He doesnt come deep enough. Also, I dont think there'd be too many teams that would actually play him in that role. Mata too might actually be better at that role than Rooney in our team.
Striker and second striker. What else?
I don't think Rooney would consistently play as a number ten at any other top club in the world.
Aye. The reason we play him there is more for his goal scoring ability than actually what he contributes as a playmaker. I dont see too many other clubs doing the same. Atleast not the top ones.
When people are answering Rooney to the question, with his versatility as a supporting argument, I wonder what they are really talking about? I mean, he's not a particularly great number 10, he's pretty rubbish on the wings and he only looks decent in midfield because of our other options being awful.
My point is that Rooney's willingness to play different positions is great for the team and tactics situations but I wouldn't class it as being truly versatile. A player like Mata who can play 3 attacking positions with equal ease, is a versatile player. Rooney, imo isn't.
My point is that Rooney's willingness to play different positions is great for the team and tactics situations but I wouldn't class it as being truly versatile. A player like Mata who can play 3 attacking positions with equal ease, is a versatile player. Rooney, imo isn't.
His touch is way too clumsy and his feet too clumpy to play there. The best no.10's are always technically brilliant players, light on their feet and floating around the pitch. Rooney is far from being any of that. His strength and power make him a brilliant centre forward but he lacks the svelte touch to play as a no.10.
RvP IMO. Rooney has much more to his game but as a pure striker Robin is better.
Well, this is one of the most one-sided polls I've ever seen on the Caf'. And here I thought it would be close to 50-50.
RVP. I'd say Mata and Kagawa are even better no.10s than Rooney is.
-----Januzaj----Mata <---->Kagawa
-------------------RVP--------------------
I'd say that's the best way to get the team playing more fluid football.
-----Januzaj----Mata <---->Kagawa
-------------------RVP--------------------
I'd say that's the best way to get the team playing more fluid football.
The real question is, should RVP play off the front man, or as the main striker? Many Arsenal fans were saying he should be playing off the striker, as his build up play and playmaking qualities are brilliant. However, we just use him up front.
No way. I've not been impressed when RvP has played behind the striker here. We lack so much when he's there. He doesn't get 'involved' enough imo.
The poll is ridiculously one sided.
If I had to choose between one of RVP and Rooney for a big away game in the CL it would be RVP for his better touch, hold up play etc..But for most of the run of the mill games I'd prefer Rooney as he's a lot more involved and a slightly better finisher.
But I don't know why we have to choose. Both should start if they are fit enough. With the right tactics (and dare I say under the right manager
) there's absolutely no reason why Rooney cannot play behind RVP with Mata and Januzaj either side of him.
If I had to choose between one of RVP and Rooney for a big away game in the CL it would be RVP for his better touch, hold up play etc..But for most of the run of the mill games I'd prefer Rooney as he's a lot more involved and a slightly better finisher.
But I don't know why we have to choose. Both should start if they are fit enough. With the right tactics (and dare I say under the right manager
) there's absolutely no reason why Rooney cannot play behind RVP with Mata and Januzaj either side of him.So in that case is he a better player than Ronaldo, too? He tracks back more him.
Honestly, the accepted narrative is that "Rooney is the better player, Van Persie is the better striker" even though the pitch, in 2014, says differently. Years ago, Rooney had more to his game. He was rapid, skilful, could beat men and played with a real sense of freedom and expression. The argument for him being more complete had credence. But not now.
He often controls the ball sloppily, his passing is weaker - and it is, so many players can make 'that' pass out wide, Van Persie included if the situation called for it. There is no facet of ball work where I'd put Rooney ahead, to be honest.
His finishing is criminally underrated, though. He's lethal, and he's proven this over the past few years. I'd rather he be on the end of a cut back into the box than Robin, certainly.
RVP contributes nothing except finishing. Rooney contributes plenty aside, but for me hasn't been a clinical enough finisher and also hasn't been creative enough for us
Oh boy.
Basically, neither are contributing as much as they should be, because RVP can be brilliant in the build up play and Rooney can be a brilliant finisher.
Okay, you've clearly never watched van Persie in your life.
I've said it a lot of times. He doesn't get involved. Perhaps I'm wrong if someone can show me a video of him assisting in a united jersey I might change my mind
I hate to be patronizing but Football's about a lot more than just scoring or assisting.
I'm with you brother.
van Persie is one of our more intricate players in and around the box. His touch is absolutely sublime, he brushes off challenges at times.
Do you really want me to make a compilation of his 15 assists from last season ... ?
Plus this is crazy, bar those assists, his link up and hold up play is top notch.
well when you play up front and you get few assists and 30 goals, explain what other world class contributes I'm missing from RVPs game? I really think in a united jersey he's been so good because he finishes off moves, but I am open to corrections as to why he's been so good
People are in here suggesting we should play rvp deeper so he can create... I don't see the evidence that that makes sense at all
Ridiculous point.
One poster suggested Arsenal fans felt it a good approach.
We do miss him holding it up when he's not on the pitch that's true enough, sometimes I think it's compared to chicha and rooney that he looks good at it though... maybe I am spoiled as a united fan
That season we played Rooney as an out and out striker he was absolutely devastating. At least as good as Van Persie was last year.
he was certainly a very different player at arsenal in post of his career there, also far less effective than when fergie just told him to lead the line and focus on getting goals
Yes, he was lethal. We also had a great Valencia and Nani back then too, unfortunately they're nowhere near as effective now.