If it were a CL trophy win that certainly trumps a poor season in the PL every time, but not an FA Cup. United's 23/24 season will be remembered more for the poor quality of play, as well as off-pitch problems, for nearly the entire season than the FA Cup win.
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
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The Doc had us playing solid football again. Fun to watch. Liverpool were still strong favourites.
But we felt we had a chance. The lads were buzzing.
Our sign said
The Kop'll topple to Hill and Coppell.
And so it did.
But the real joy was yet to come a few days later when Liverpool won the EC. We had prevented them from doing the Treble.
City are on steroids. No one gave us any chance.
But we contained them and won.
Arsenal, easy. They are a very very competitive team and have shown that they can win the league. I love that we won the FA Cup but I would still rather seriously challenge for the league. It went down to the wire.
The OP asks this question:
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
Clearly Arsenal had the "better season", but it is also clear that United lifted a trophy and Arsenal did not. But it does not stand to reason that lifting the FA Cup necessarily allows the conclusion that United had a "better season" than Arsenal.
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
Clearly Arsenal had the "better season", but it is also clear that United lifted a trophy and Arsenal did not. But it does not stand to reason that lifting the FA Cup necessarily allows the conclusion that United had a "better season" than Arsenal.
Are we looking at this as a stand alone season or the future?
If Arsenal win the league next season and United win nothing and remain outside of the top 4, then Arsenal. Although that is a weird way of looking at it.
I guess what I was thinking is that Spurs finished second a few years ago, 2017 or 2018? and no one cares. What matters is what Arsenal go on to do, next season. If we win nothing, then United had a better season.
Looking at the season in isolation, I'd take the FA Cup tbh. It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about. There's no guarantee that because we finished second this year, we will do well next year but a trophy is a trophy.
If Arsenal win the league next season and United win nothing and remain outside of the top 4, then Arsenal. Although that is a weird way of looking at it.
I guess what I was thinking is that Spurs finished second a few years ago, 2017 or 2018? and no one cares. What matters is what Arsenal go on to do, next season. If we win nothing, then United had a better season.
Looking at the season in isolation, I'd take the FA Cup tbh. It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about. There's no guarantee that because we finished second this year, we will do well next year but a trophy is a trophy.
They have?
This is the key for me.
If you’re looking to build towards winning big trophies, and consistently being there… you say Arsenal.
But if they’re third next year and we’re fourth (after winning a trophy (my favourite) this season and one last season), you’d probably prefer United’s season.
Any team that loses out on the title by 2 points shows they have capacity to win the league, surely? We are nowhere near and they have built on their previous season with another solid season.
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"It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about."
But is it really all about trophies? Is it a fair trade for club supporters to be in misery and humiliation (such as Palace 4 United 0) for 9 months or dire play and no hope in the PL of even making top four in exchange for a FA Cup? I think not.
Would I trade 9 months of misery a humiliation for a CL trophy? Of course. But not for an FA Cup, which is forgotten pretty quickly anyway.
"It's another trophy and record and that is what football is all about."
But is it really all about trophies? Is it a fair trade for club supporters to be in misery and humiliation (such as Palace 4 United 0) for 9 months or dire play and no hope in the PL of even making top four in exchange for a FA Cup? I think not.
Would I trade 9 months of misery a humiliation for a CL trophy? Of course. But not for an FA Cup, which is forgotten pretty quickly anyway.
Actual trophy 》 top 4 trophy.
Do Arsenal fans happy with the team this season? I would say most of them will say yes.
Do Man Utd fans happy with the team this season? If yes, then that's all that matters.
Who cares whether Arsenal or Man Ud had a better season? I don't.
One could ask whether any one of us cares about anything anyone else writes other than what we ourselves believe, but the point of a forum like this is to banter about opinions -- within reasonable limits of course (no pornography, no racial abuse and so on). The underlying question is whether United fans are "happy with the team this season" and I submit the answer is no, we are not happy with how the season went, the FA Cup notwithstanding. All of us are happy United that won the FA Cup and thus the specific question is whether winning the FA Cup is a greater source of happiness than the happiness of knowing (from an Arsenal fan's point of view) that Arsenal came within a whisker of City to lift the PL trophy.
What matters is what each of us believes. If someone is happy that United escaped relegation, who are we to tell them they shouldn't be happy about that? But objectively speaking, one a club with the burden of expectations of United puts in dire performances month after month for an entire and then pops up with a magnificent performance against City (after a nearly disastrous performance against Coventry...and reasonable minds can disagree as to whether VAR got the offside call right) it's pretty hard to argue that winning the FA Cup outweighs the 9 months of dire performances that preceded it.
How is this even a question.
It's pretty obvious who had the better season.
Arsenal.
A domestic cup trophy does not even make our season ok. The most flattering 8th in the PL, last in the easiest CL group and a FA cup win. We've been horrible. If we were Brentford, we could be happy with a season like this, not with the performances, but the results. To be happy with the performances we've put in this season we'd have to be Sheffield United. We're not.
It's pretty obvious who had the better season.
Arsenal.
A domestic cup trophy does not even make our season ok. The most flattering 8th in the PL, last in the easiest CL group and a FA cup win. We've been horrible. If we were Brentford, we could be happy with a season like this, not with the performances, but the results. To be happy with the performances we've put in this season we'd have to be Sheffield United. We're not.
For those who said we had better season because we won the fecking FA Cup. Are you happy now?
United should really wait and see if ten Hag wins another league cup/FA cup this season before deciding to get rid
We had a better season yes but I was and still am convinced ETH needs to go. It’s not only about the second grade trophies but also about progress and fans being able to watch our games - under ETH watching United has been the worst experience since Fergie times
Really, really odd bump.
I can't believe there is still Man Utd fans claimed we had better season by winning a mickey mouse cup and finished 8th in the league with no style of play at all.
And it's only the first day of the international break! :cry:
Not that I though this. But why would anything that happens this season be relevant to last season?
I'll never understand this line of thinking. For me, I'd always considered our 03/04 season as significantly worse than 09/10. We didn't win the league in either year, but we played significantly better football, had a title challenge and there was anticipation to watch every game in 09/10. As a fan watching games, enjoying the football and actually wanting to watch your team should be the main thing. Arsenal fans have had the pleasure of not only enjoying their teams football, but anticipating games every single week. They obviously prefer this period than the seasons they kept winning FA cups but with no challenge. Last year, they actually had belief they could go far in the Champions League. They went into games against other top teams with belief. For me, this is the most important factor. Actually believing in your team. There is no way winning an FA Cup or a League Cup allows you to have a better season, particularly when playing horriblly along the way and doing poorly in major competitions. Part of the excitement of a good challenge is being hopeful for the future. Right now, despite my personal feeling that as a squad we actually have similar or even more quality, no one will say that we actually have a brighter future than Arsenal.
The relevance is do you prefer winning the FA Cup or watching shit on stick football week in week out in the PL? We are in the same shit now as last season.
Yes, I feel much better about our team than when we last won the FA Cup. Like you said, we look forward to our games, instead of half with dread how bad it could get. I would not trade our position for ManUs. The FA Cup is nice, but it's a cup. It is better than league cup, which has very little value in my opinion, but still it does not make or break your season. Perhaps for a midtable or bottom dweller it could! Arteta is a better manager now, and has a better team now as well, than when he first took over for Arsenal.
CL and League is where it is. I would take a hit in the league, but it would have to be in return for a CL!
Not really is it? It has all to do with our trajectory.
It was as a genuinely stupid claim as the one that Anderson was a better player than Gerrard cause he won 4 league titles while Gerrard none.
Yes, funny to belittle our rival posters, yes, a good meme. But obviously stupid if taken at face value.
I would have killed for Arsenal's last season in any post SAF season.
Yes, funny to belittle our rival posters, yes, a good meme. But obviously stupid if taken at face value.
I would have killed for Arsenal's last season in any post SAF season.
Lot of people in here that were probably happy when you sold Japp Stam.
Trophies count, second place finishes don‘t.
We will get back on top eventually, INEOS is moving us in the right direction.
We will get back on top eventually, INEOS is moving us in the right direction.
We had better season. Which was last season. Why you bringing it up now? No body wait we having better season then arsenal this season?? Am i missing something?
What did they won boss? We finished second few times too.. would you trade those for an FA cup beating City? You guys are weird.
We were neither playing particularly well, not fighting for the title those seasons. Which Arsenal did.
But I guess, based on your logic, you would take previous season ahead of us in 09-10 or 11-12? Cause we won FA Cup last season, but nothing as big in those too.
Not sure about you but I do not watch the football in teletext, neither in a magazine from 2070 where I rate success based on what second/third trophy won. And the only enjoyment I get while watching United under EtH is, check notes, none.
Not at all. What happened in 3 games this season is irrelevent to any assessment of last season.
It's gonna be a long one. I think I'm just going to avoid as much as possible the football forums.
That doesn’t make sense but go ahead and run with it.
Well everyone knows 2nd place is better than winning a Cup. That's what most say because Utd won the Cup.. if it was the other way round the Narrative would change.
Most successful club after Manchester City according to someone.
I don't think it is odd, since this philosophy that United had a better season alligns with Ten Hag's substandard reasoning.
No one remembers second place. They lost everything, we at least won something.
Wonder if people are still mocking Ole's 'Trophies are for the ego' quote? He was spot on. I'd much rather be in Arsenal's position than ours.
This kind of blanket statement is not true. People do remember 2nd places, like myself. I remember us challenging Man Utd back in the best Wenger days. I also similarly remember Man Utd challenging us when we won it. We know that Pool challenged City for a lot of these years, and that Klopp could have had a couple more wins at least had it not been for City cheating. I even remember Spurs being up there one year I think with 85 points or so in 2017. I remember it because I was a bit envious of their seemingly upward trajectory while we were in decline . We won the FA Cup in 2017, but the only reason why I know that is because it was us. We had a rather poor year because we did not even qualify for the CL.
Having a good year, means you are not thinking of kicking your manager to the curb at the end of it. You are getting too stuck on trophies.