Too each his own I guess...
Who had the better season? Arsenal or Man utd?
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The only positive of finishing second is you then have a chance of winning the Champions League the following year.
What if you then don't win the Champions League and offered the players the chance to go back in time and play Europa League instead but you'll get a FA cup to your name?
I'm pretty sure 90% of players would take the second option.
That should answer your quesiton.
What if you then don't win the Champions League and offered the players the chance to go back in time and play Europa League instead but you'll get a FA cup to your name?
I'm pretty sure 90% of players would take the second option.
That should answer your quesiton.
lets say arsenal finish runners up for the next 2 seasons, and win nothing else. we finish 6th-8th but win the fa cup each season. whos had the better 3 seasons?
personally the three decent trophies in the bank is much better.
personally the three decent trophies in the bank is much better.
Exactly. He has to stay.
When Arsenal were regularly winning the FA Cup a few years ago, ie 2013, 2014 and 2017, everyone mocked them because they weren't performing in the league. A lot of their fans felt the same because they wanted to challenge for the PL.
We actually had close to 1 trophies a season i think if you count charity shield, 2 FA, 1 League cup, 1 EL, but the last 10 years has been dubbed "banter era" so there's that. Nobody remembers fluke winners
Ahh Arsenal are still clinging to the CL qualification trophy Wenger made up.
It's funny to see Arsenal fans debate this because their go to line is also "We have won the FA cup the most" so clearly they care about the FA cup.
No one will remember how the FA cup was won, just that we won it.
I think you’ll find that Arsenal fans in this thread are actually questioning when the FA Cup became so prestigious, seeing as we won it 3 times in 4 years and were dismissed as “a cup team” for doing so.
We had a more successful season, they made more progress towards the true marker of top level success.
For me our season is better but that's only because progress is measured on a longer basis. Any claim that their season is better requires them to win the title in the coming seasons, if they win nothing it's irrelevant.
For me our season is better but that's only because progress is measured on a longer basis. Any claim that their season is better requires them to win the title in the coming seasons, if they win nothing it's irrelevant.
Suddenly, so many Man Utd supporters care only about in 10-15 years time people will only remember the cup win (even though it's just FA Cup).
How about the here and now? 10 months of shit football breaking all negative records? 10 months of your life especially weekend? Nope, we care about what people remember in a decade, it's more important. Forget about exciting football and all.
How about the here and now? 10 months of shit football breaking all negative records? 10 months of your life especially weekend? Nope, we care about what people remember in a decade, it's more important. Forget about exciting football and all.
In the record book in a few years it will seem that we had the better season but I know I would have preferred to be supporting Arsenal this year as having to watch United felt like such a chore this year. I hated how we played. Just glad this season is over and go into the next year with the same false hope as every year. Come on United.
Arsenal won the title.
But that wont be remembered in the history books of course.
But us winning the FA Cup against all odds against the same oil state side was the greatest FA Cup win I have seen since 1977.
But that wont be remembered in the history books of course.
But us winning the FA Cup against all odds against the same oil state side was the greatest FA Cup win I have seen since 1977.
I wasn’t one of the best finals at all. Not even close but I get it because united turned into the mouse that roared for the supporters. That’s about all.
The table never lies.
Worst finish for Man United since the Premier League.
Most Loses in a year.
Finished the year with a negative goal differential.
The FA Cup is nice, but does it really trump all that when the question is better year? As in how both teams played over a year?
Worst finish for Man United since the Premier League.
Most Loses in a year.
Finished the year with a negative goal differential.
The FA Cup is nice, but does it really trump all that when the question is better year? As in how both teams played over a year?
I think in terms of just looking at it in a one off season kind of way then I think United had the better season because of silverware, but I think if United make no progress next season and finish 8th again and win a cup while Arsenal are still challenging for the title then that's a different story.
I thought that this was for the banter .
If many united Fans actually think that we had a better season than Arsenal because we won a knockout competition, in a season we finished 8th,with a negative goal difference, finished bottom of an easy CL group,being outplayed by almost all the teams in the EPL,then we need to decide how we want United to be.
We say we want to be up there with Madrid but we are celebrating mediocrity.
If many united Fans actually think that we had a better season than Arsenal because we won a knockout competition, in a season we finished 8th,with a negative goal difference, finished bottom of an easy CL group,being outplayed by almost all the teams in the EPL,then we need to decide how we want United to be.
We say we want to be up there with Madrid but we are celebrating mediocrity.
When the players look back on their careers, are they going to be prouder of finishing 2nd or of winning a trophy?
I think it is mainly for the banter, as there's not a right or wrong answer to it.
When a similar topic came up last season, I dismissed the League Cup a bit, partly because most clubs, especially Arsenal, dismiss it as well by playing youth or squad players. But I don't dismiss the FA Cup, it's the main domestic Cup competition in this country and I'm proud of our record in it.
The way I see it, I'm very happy where my club is, I'm sure in where we are and where we seem to be going, so I don't feel insecure about any bantering.
If there's Utd fans that genuinely feel they've had a better season, then who am I to tell them how to feel or what they should prioritise? I wanted them to beat City, I'm happy they beat City, they are happy they beat City, so we are all happy! Right?
That's good cos he didn't say final.
Yeah, no wonder club is where it's at cause of the fans like that who are lowering standards and expectations. Its mostly fans' fault anyway.
Well in the meantime Liverpool won the league title and CL, so.
I was also rooting for United. I was in Wembley a couple hours before the final and got chatting to a few United fans on the way to stadium; I pleaded with them to “take these cheats down a peg or two”.
There’s probably lots of reasons for this thread. Some pure banter (which is expected on a football forum).. Some love for the FA Cup (which I share). Some “silverware and what the history books show in 10 years time is all that matters" (which I agree less with). Some defeating Liverpool and City (which is very impressive). Some ending season on a high (which is entirely deserved seeing as United didn't just beat, but outplayed City).
But some of it is a straight up erosion of expectations. There's a reason that if you go on RAWK you won't see an equivalent thread following their League Cup win.
Yes - clickbaitey media show creating a very uninteresting debate.
Is this actually a real discussion?! Not only did we come 8th, we came 8th and regularly stunk the place out with horrific performances. You can probably count on one hand the amount of truly convincing performances we put on this season.
Arsenal were routinely battering teams by 3 or 4 goals and finished within 2 points of the title while we were breaking all sorts of negative records. If a season leaves your manager's head on the chopping block I really don't think it can be defined as 'successful' by any stretch.
Arsenal were routinely battering teams by 3 or 4 goals and finished within 2 points of the title while we were breaking all sorts of negative records. If a season leaves your manager's head on the chopping block I really don't think it can be defined as 'successful' by any stretch.
I remember the times we finished 2nd and who finished 2nd in the seasons we won the title but honestly the years we finished 3rd or below I'd have to look it up to remember who finished where in the top 4.
Honestly fed up of this Arsenal w*nkfest.
They've won f*ck all, and they'll continue to win f*ck all next season.
They've won f*ck all, and they'll continue to win f*ck all next season.
If we keep ETH and continue on our current PL trajectory then there's every chance we'll finish mid-table. I'd taken Arsenal's prospects over ours right now (until we get rid of ETH for starters).
Fair, but Arsenal were in a genuine title race until the last day of the season. Their fans will most definitely remember that, it'll only be self-entitled (and spoilt during their youth) Utd fans who go "I don't remember our second places" when they were in a title race.
really ? arsenal is far better team than manutd, that is a fact
I remember in Mourinho era people were upset because we play defensive football even though we won the EL.
"We watched football to be enterained, trophies is secondary"
Nobody in our current team or the past 10 years can look back and be proud with their achievements at United
Failing at yhe very basic and whored out as deadwoods with no big teams interested. But hey... They got an FA cup to show for
And you were criticizing posters for expecting Jose to be at least top 4, saying we should only expect midtable because our squad is midtable quality
Which is as fair a view as the hardcore "trophies is the only thing that matters" army.
If we were maybe Brighton or Wigan Athletic, winning FA Cup is a huge thing. We should go for open top bus parade and all that.
But for Man Utd this season we should feel shameful, FA Cup or not, by finishing 8th and played the worst football in PL.
This is not the standard for Man Utd at all and we had a disastrous season. Nothing successful about it and hence there is nothing to compare with Arsenal.
But for Man Utd this season we should feel shameful, FA Cup or not, by finishing 8th and played the worst football in PL.
This is not the standard for Man Utd at all and we had a disastrous season. Nothing successful about it and hence there is nothing to compare with Arsenal.
It also cemented as as perennial midtable teams. Not the biggest club in England
I consider ETH first season here was more successful. We played decent football, finish top 3 and won League Cup. Even without winning anything we were showing progress. But last season was total car wreck. One of the worst season ever.
They are two separate competitions, the league and the FA Cup. We were abysmal in the league, but we spanked our rivals in the FA Cup and won the trophy. Downplaying that as inconsequential is ridiculous. So who had the better "season" encompasses both campaigns. Arsenal outplayed us and finished well above us - and have only CL qualification to show for it. Our FA Cup run was exciting and winning that trophy means something.
same like nobody wants to remember the 1974, 1978 dutch team and the 1954 hungary team. Does people still remember euro 2004 winners Greece very fondly ?
personally im not but many people here would beg to differ.