How we feel doesn't effect the club at all, most of us seem to realize Fletcher is done but I highly doubt United feels the same way. I fully expect Fletcher to be given a chance next season, I also think he'll be extremely underwhelming.
Which midfielder will we sign this summer?
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Fletcher has had a chronic sickness since 2010/11 pretty much, and it's not like a physical injury he can come back from. It's not like he was a young player who had plenty of time to recover either. Having hope fletcher can come back and actually back to a premier league standard is almost worse then thinking Hargreaves was over his injury problems. Ferguson also said that fletcher will more then likely come back as a coach and not a player.
Would love it if he came here, Song was brilliant for Arsenal last year. Are there any reports of him being unhappy with his situation in Barcelona or is he content sitting on the bench 90% of the time?
We could do worse than McCarthy. I'd sooner have him around the squad than Anderson anyway. Not exactly top class though.
In all honesty though, we rarely sign top clas midfielders anyway. Take Carrick for example, wasn't a big player when we signed him but he's played his part and been a solid player, whohas stepped up a level this season. I'm not saying McCarthy will do that, but it's not always obvious who will.
feck him, we need quality, not just a random average player.
Yeah, I was thinking of him kinda as potentially a young Carrick, like I said he wouldn't be a bad signing. He would certainly be a good young squad player and you'd never know how he'd develop.
Having said that, I don't really think someone like Cleverly is really good enough to be a first choice midfielder for the team, and I can't see him becoming more than a "good". McCarthy is around the same level imo.
Fletcher is not the fecking solution, last year we were told to count him as a mid but he couldnt play because there was grass on the pitch or some bollocks. He should go and play his football on loan at first before he gets a shot at our first team
Exactly what might have been said about Carrick though. Agree that McCarthy isn't what we need in terms of quality, but a lot of people are saying we need more than one midfielder so he would be a good buy as the second midfielder, with our first being of higher quality.
Who realistically available who you will sign then ?
Don't be so fecking harsh.
Yes he may not be the solution, but that isn't the nicest way to speak about the man.
The club tends to keep internal strife well bottled so it's hard to gauge whether he's happy or not. Can't imagine he's too thrilled as he's barely played but bear in mind he's actually played more than Thiago, Tello, Villa & Puyol. On par with what Adriano has played.
If you look at it from the POV of whether he's filled the needs he was brought in for, can't say that's been the case since he was brought in expressly for his ability to play both DM & CB and he's been disappointing at CB (We'll see if he ends up there tonight)
From his perspective, he's been quiet and never complained publicly, always pointing out the quality of the squad he plays in. He did play well in his traditional role on the weekend against lowly Mallorca.
Don't want Song tbh. Too limited a player for me. There was a reason i'm sure why Wenger sold him for 15 million too.
Loads of players are available if you are willing to spend money. I see teams sign 'unavailable' players every year.
Probably the fact he wanted to go and play for Barcelona and his contract was running out.
Carrick was doing good for Spurs, a much better team than Wigan, and was more experienced. I think that McCarthy will never be as good as Carrick when he was at Spurs. I don't think that he is anything special, just an another Henderson.
My muppet choice would be:
25-30m could do the job.
There are other good available players in the market, and their availability is related with our will to give money. On the top of my head, players we can potentially buy if we want are Bender x2, Modric and Gundogan. Wouldn't be disappointed if we sign Dembele, Strootman, Song or Wynyama, though they are not my top choices.
It's harsh but it is not that far from the truth. Nostalgia shouldn't made us deluded. I am fine with him being here, but I don't think that we should rely on him. Buy the midfielders we desperately need, and if he returns then take that as a bonus. But not stopping us from buying midfielders, cause Fletch will probably return and then he will probably play good. I think that we should have addressed this thing on this summer, and not relied on Scholes and Fletcher, who as much as legends they are (especially Scholesy), shouldn't stop us improving because they probably have still something left.
Has anyone seen anything of Wanyama since the CL? I really liked his showing there, but no idea if that was just a moment of game-raising.
He's super young and a beast (and a United fan). But no idea if he has the actual skill and technique we need from a midfielder.
He's super young and a beast (and a United fan). But no idea if he has the actual skill and technique we need from a midfielder.
We will sign another striker and winger, and defender.
He had 3 years left.
I don't see much difference in potential between McCarthy and Cleverly, if McCarthy is nowhere near good enough then I can't see Cleverly being much better. You might be right that McCarthy will never be as good as Carrick, but he's still about three years younger than Carrick was when we signed him so it's hard to tell.
Anyway, in Muppet world, I'd happily take Gundogan + McCarthy. So, assuming we lose Anderson and one of Scholes/Fletcher, we'd have Carrick and Gundogan as first choice with Cleverly, McCarthy and Powell as young backup, Giggs and Scholes/Fletcher as experienced backup. It'd be a definite improvement.
With Song (not saying we should sign him, let's be clear about that) you'd have one player who clearly understands RVP and the kinda passes he thrives on
Get gundohan. He'd move us up a gear from what I've seen of him.
Haven't seen that much of him but from what I have seen he's exactly the type of midfielder I'd want, would compliment Carrick very well. He's still quite young so has potential to develop even more. I haven't seen enough of him to know know what the celing of his talent is though.
Moutinho is a funny one. Been talked about for years as a player that is going to step up to a bigger team but it never happens. Is he really that good?
Oh come on, im sure he doesnt want sympathy. He should go to a team where he'll play on merit rather than getting minutes out of pity. We are united and we look after our ex players but he should be playing for someone before he comes back and gets looked after. Nostalgia is why our midfield is shit already, keeping players when they get too old and not blooding the youth. Fletchers time as a top tier player is over and no amount of pity will change that, if he joint a mid to lower end of the league side im sure he'd do well and play on merit.
My dad suffers the same condition and his life is not always easy but you've gotta get on with it and do things on merit no pity.
Scholes and Fletcher have to go, Giggs has to be considered a low backup choice, jones has to be considered a defender. That leaves carrick and cleverley who actually play and anderson who might get moved on because he's never fit enough. Then you've got powell who might get the odd 1 minute next year if fergie ever starts trusting youth again.
We need atleast 2 new CMs this summer because fergie has fecked up bringing through a steady supply of options
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Please give some examples of this.... Usually those players only become available when they decide to leave at a certain time or sometimes decides to pay crazy money. You can't predict any such things happening and we won't be paying crazy money for anyone.
Or are you saying we should go and bid 100 million for Iniesta ?
You genuinely don't believe any of the Juventus midfield wouldnt improve us? The players are out they're fergie just has a shit eye for a CM, probably his only real weakness over his managerial career. Ofcourse every now and then he'll get the odd one spot on but more often than not he's failed.
Vidal yep. But what's that got to do with what i just said unless You think he will want to leave Juve or that they will sell for something we are willing to pay ?
Marchisio is decent enough too and has reportedly rejected us before and also doesn't want to move out of Italy.
Because we haven't improved our midfield for over 2 years, and some say we have regressed, it has now come to the stage where any half decent midfielder will do.
I've heard names like Moutinho, Gundohon, Strootman, Erikson, bar Carrick they are far superior than any of current midfielders now.
I've heard names like Moutinho, Gundohon, Strootman, Erikson, bar Carrick they are far superior than any of current midfielders now.
Gundogan, Bender, Bender, Vidal, Song, Strootman, Banega, Moutinho, Modric, Dembele, Wanyama are available if we pay enough money. Thiago could be available too. Modric wasn't apparently available last season but Madrid took him. Of course if you're going to get quality players, then you must pay the big money.
I can think of only a few great midfielders who are not available (Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Wilshere, Toure, Alonso probably) so no need acting that really there is no quality there. Hell, even Wilshere could easily be available if we decide to go crazy spending.
Big fan of James McCarthy. I think he's very underrated, though perhaps not the cutting edge and guile we are really needing, but certainly a good player.
My missus works with his uncle, who lives up in Aberdeen. According to him, a couple of years ago, Arsenal were hassling James. Wigan turned down all offers, but they were making attempts to speak to him without the clubs permission. He said that an Arsenal representative turned up at James' house unannounced to try to persuade him to push for a move. So when you get Arsenal fans getting all wet-eyed about Barca and City tapping up their best players, tell them they ain't no angels.
My missus works with his uncle, who lives up in Aberdeen. According to him, a couple of years ago, Arsenal were hassling James. Wigan turned down all offers, but they were making attempts to speak to him without the clubs permission. He said that an Arsenal representative turned up at James' house unannounced to try to persuade him to push for a move. So when you get Arsenal fans getting all wet-eyed about Barca and City tapping up their best players, tell them they ain't no angels.
That's why i said realistically available. Because there are players unavailable. What's so hard to understand ?And these players need to want to move here too, which you conveniently forget. So Wilshere is not available at the moment whatever crazy money we want to pay unless we want to four times his wages or something to tempt him which would be ludicrous.
Out of the names you mentioned Only Leverkusen Bender, Song, Strootman, Banega, Moutinho, Dembele, Wanyama maybe available in our price range or may want to move here. And from these Moutinho and Dembele will cost around 25 to 30 million now, while Banega is bit of a nutcase off the field.
And where did i say that there are no players available? I just wanted his opinion on which other available player he would want to sign.
You are just imagining things up and giving out names as if it were FM.
And btw, I wanted examples of such transfers that have happened every summer....
Also, how exactly are Bender, Song, Strootman, Wanyama much better than Mccarthy anyway? (Only Strootman and Wanyama are certs to want to come anyway)
Also, how exactly are Bender, Song, Strootman, Wanyama much better than Mccarthy anyway? (Only Strootman and Wanyama are certs to want to come anyway)
I take it you have never seen bender and song if you're seriously asking that question. Typical case of young English players becoming ridiculously overrated right when they show a tiny bit of promise.
And for examples of midfielders that would improve our midfield that went for good prices in the past few years, there is Sahin to Madrid for 6 million first, then gundogan to Dortmund for around 4 million, dembele to spurs for 10 million, verratti to psg for 10 (although that isn't really a great bargain, it's still very affordable and better then our other options).
There are plenty of good midfielders available for us for good prices if we really try looking for them, and the answer at this moment definitely isn't in England because England is quite a bit behind the other top countries around the world in quality.
Khedira, Ozil, Veratti, Moutinho, Modric, Vidal, Martinez, Dembele, Song have all been transferred in the last 2-3 years.
Seriously? Try going into a not English forum and ask them who the feck is McCarthy and who are those players, and probably you will get an answer. No need to become blind, Englandright now is not producing that much quality players (especially in midfield) - of course comparing with other football superpowers- and the only English central midfielder who is good enough to improve us is J.W.
1) Mccarthy isn't English, but yeah carry on with your generalizations....
2) Your figures for transfers are incorrect, but that's irrelevant anyway.
3) You didn't get what i meant there anyway. I was asking for examples of Unrealistic transfers that happen, not realistic ones like you mentioned. Yeah, we maybe missed out.
Mccarthy isn't English.
It's the case of Dutch should be good. English must be bad generalization applied incorrectly.
And you missed the point too. I was talking about Unrealistic transfers that happen which you were talking about.