Which midfielder should we buy to give Pogba more freedom

Has a contract until 2021. When Barca tried to buy him, PSG hit back by buying Neymar. We're probably more likely to see Pogba in a PSG shirt than Verratti in a United shirt.


PSG didn't hit back, they were in for Neymar for years. PSG have spent a lot of money since Qatar takeover and they got enough quality squad to compete with top teams in Europe, they don't feel like needing to buy new players last summer so they blew nearly all of their budget on Neymar and expected to spend £160m+ on Mbappe this summer so they won't have enough money for new players this summer.

Being said that, Raiola is Veratti's agent and we are in need of new starters CM in 4-3-3 on the right flank with Pogba playing on left. Barca, City, Madrid and Bayern are settled in midfield so they don't need Veratti. It would make sense that I see him as United bound if he's available in the transfer market. I don't think PSG are open to selling Verratti unless they have found a replacement for him who they believe will be upgraded on him.
 
Not sure if Veratti would want to play for a Mourinho team. From his interviews he is obviously the 'football is a space-time concept' type.
 
We need a younger version of Dembele (Spurs), who has a good balance of offensive and defensive attributes. In other words, a true box to box player, like Vidal used to be.
 
I think the purchase of Matic makes things rather tricky. Here's why: Matic isn't the type of player Carrick is and thus, we generally need someone to do the link up play from defence since our defenders can't really pass the ball. However, Matic is rather immobile too and we probably need someone to do the leg work as well.

I think the bigger problem is the former. So, my opinion is that, we should get a player who primarily defensive but competent playing simple passes going forward.
 
Buy 2 midfielders. One attacking and other sitting deep lying playmaker/dm. My choices are fekir and jorzinho.fekir can also play in a 3 , rw and am to equal effect. Hardworker and presses like sanchez too.

Cheap alternatives . Doucoure, lewis cook(really like the look of this lad) , different players to above ones but ones to watch out for especially cook.
 
Meh, you kept on going on about how how Dembele is the best box to box player, how can he be box to box when his presence is insignificant in 1 box.

At least now you are capable of seeing past goals and assists, which is probably first major step for you.

Pogba has done it against the best sides and on the biggest stage, Demebe never even played so don't even have to talk about him dominating.

Yeah when it comes to biggest stages, it's man to a boy.
Has he though? My overriding impression is that he has regularly come up short in the biggest games, both recently for United but also for Juve in the Champions League final (perhaps I'm not remembering it well,) and as well for France in Euro 2016.
 
This is my first time watching SMS live for Lazio, I must say he plays in an even more advanced left hand side role than Pogba does, is this his normal position or a one off today?
He normally plays on the left of a midfield 3 for Lazio.
 
Has he though? My overriding impression is that he has regularly come up short in the biggest games, both recently for United but also for Juve in the Champions League final (perhaps I'm not remembering it well,) and as well for France in Euro 2016.

Pogba was a playing as a clear CDM in this euro final. Their dumb manager was pushing Matiudi and Sissoko forward while leaving Pogba at the back to guard them. I re!ember this final very well, Pogba wasn't even getting past their midline, gets the ball, pass it to Sissoko or Matiudi and returns behind the center line. Was such dumb tactics by their manager. No surprise they lost.

I missed CL final 2015 all honestly so can't replay on it, but I remember Pogba having a magnificent game against Bayern when they got knocked out the next year, and I'm sure he was great in all big games in serie A. Let's not forget that they reached CL final in 2014 by beating Madrid. He definitely couldn't have been a liability back then.
 
Does anyone think that either doucoure or ndidi are able to make the next step up?

I've been really impressed with Ndidi every time i've seen him.
... which is about 6 times in 2 seasons so doesn't necessarily mean much.
 
Has he though? My overriding impression is that he has regularly come up short in the biggest games, both recently for United but also for Juve in the Champions League final (perhaps I'm not remembering it well,) and as well for France in Euro 2016.

Finals are not the only biggest games isn't it? Games against Madrid, Bayern, even City when he played for CL.
 
Does we really need him then ? We need a midfielder that can play on the right.
Didn't stop us from buying Sanchez for the LW position, so I wouldn't put it past Jose to buy SMS and play him or Pogba out of position on the right.
In all seriousness though, I think that in order to give Pogba the best chance of doing well on a consistent basis for us is to set up in a midfield three, similar to what he was used to with Juve. Spurs' midfield trio of Dier-Dembele-Eriksen is similarly well-balanced and worth attempting to emulate at United. We don't have a Pirlo, but we have a Matic who is somewhat analogous to Dier. We don't have an Eriksen, we have Pogba who plays a similar role for us. But we don't have a Dembele; our options in that position are clearly not up to scratch at this point (Fellaini/Herrera/McTominay).

So in contrast to some that have suggested we go for a pure destroyer that can manage Pogba's defensive duties on top of his own - I think we are better off buying a more conventional 8 that can free up Pogba to find time and space on the ball in the middle to final third of the pitch, which is where he truly comes alive. If he can do his share of defensive duties that should leave Pogba to do the bare minimum defensively, which is to press and harry opponents alongisde the forwards rather than having to track runners or make dozens of slide tackles.
 
If Jose does sign SMS, we might as well feck the balance and go with something like this. The oppo RB might have a nervous breakdown...

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Shaw and marauding Rojo to join in when appropriate.
 
If Jose does sign SMS, we might as well feck the balance and go with something like this. The oppo RB might have a nervous breakdown...

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Shaw and marauding Rojo to join in when appropriate.
Pull Sanchez back behind Martial and Rashford IMO so they can draw opponents when he cuts in IMO. Apart from that, looks good.
 
If Jose does sign SMS, we might as well feck the balance and go with something like this. The oppo RB might have a nervous breakdown...

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Shaw and marauding Rojo to join in when appropriate.
Looks good mate, the queue formed on our left will hopefully test the opposing RB.
 
Vidal or Fabregas, if either of them is still willing to look for a new adventure according to the rumours. Both possess excellent ability at creating from a deeper position, both are proven quality in possession based and transition tactics and both can also support the attacking plays in the final third.

Fabinho is still a good shout too. He'll provide more aggression, urgency and dynamism than the aforementioned two in the midfield but it can work. He can also play at RB adequately and he's still in his mid 20's.

We don't need a destroyer or a second pivot next to Matic. We need vertical movement and in the midfield like a desert needs rain and that's why Mourinho insists on utilizing Pogba's creativity deeper. We are currently the joke of all transition sides with our players moving the ball horizontally and switching sides twice or thrice before we even cross the halfway line.
 
Vidal or Fabregas, if either of them is still willing to look for a new adventure according to the rumours. Both possess excellent ability at creating from a deeper position, both are proven quality in possession based and transition tactics and both can also support the attacking plays in the final third.

Fabinho is still a good shout too. He'll provide more aggression, urgency and dynamism than the aforementioned two in the midfield but it can work. He can also play at RB adequately and he's still in his mid 20's.

We don't need a destroyer or a second pivot next to Matic. We need vertical movement and in the midfield like a desert needs rain and that's why Mourinho insists on utilizing Pogba's creativity deeper. We are currently the joke of all transition sides with our players moving the ball horizontally and switching sides twice or thrice before we even cross the halfway line.

Two players well past their best days and not getting any younger? No thanks.
 
Two players well past their best days and not getting any younger? No thanks.

Vidal is one of Bayern's best players under Heynckes, right now. Fabregas is still one of the best creative players in the PL. I guess if they offered you Rakitic, Modric or Iniesta (all in their 30's), you'd still say no and prefer McTominay and Pereira instead?

We all want to be like Bayern, Barca and Real. Well, all these clubs rely on experience in the midfield to get the job done.
 
What about Cyprien from Nice, is he someone we should consider? Only seen YouTube vids of him but he seems to have a fantastic strike on him and is very mobile and quick.
 
What about Cyprien from Nice, is he someone we should consider? Only seen YouTube vids of him but he seems to have a fantastic strike on him and is very mobile and quick.
He's a good player, but another one that likes to play higher up the field and occupy the same spaces as Pogba.
 
In a midfield of 3 (Matic, Pogba, New Player)

1. What would be the best option?
A deep-lying playmaker like Pjanic OR an energetic midfielder similar to Vidal.

2. Could we play a midfield of 3 with a CAM such as Eriksen/Fekir/Isco...

3. Do you truly believe Mourinho is going to abandon 4231 for 433?
 
In a midfield of 3 (Matic, Pogba, New Player)

1. What would be the best option?
A deep-lying playmaker like Pjanic OR an energetic midfielder similar to Vidal.

2. Could we play a midfield of 3 with a CAM such as Eriksen/Fekir/Isco...

3. Do you truly believe Mourinho is going to abandon 4231 for 433?

1. The perfect combination would be a mix of both, thus the lure to turn Pogba into a deeper-lying midfielder. The dynamic b2b would provide surging vertical runs through the lines, pressure on the first attacker in the defensive phase, physicality and mobility either when you want to slow things down or speed them up. The deep-lying playmaker would be the metronome in our half of the pitch. The idea here is that, if we manage to handle the ball well in our third (and under pressure), the more creative player will stop wondering whether they should drop deeper to help with the build-up or not and they will start being more positive in their movements (the old feeling that "it has finally clicked").

The plus with the former option is that it seems to be Mourinho's preferred choice when he plays his version of 4231. Don't forget that even when he didn't have this option he tried to create it for him. The utilization of Zanetti in Inter's midfield was one of Mourinho's last really brilliant ideas and rejuvenated Zanetti's already glorious career. Khedira was one of his finest transfer dealings and most people usually forget that during his first stint at Chelsea he didn't hesitate to experiment with Gudjohnssen there. That is because, as a transition-based manager, he prioritizes quick vertical movement on and off the ball more than anything else.

The plus with the second option is that you always have a player in a deeper role who is able to watch all the movements ahead of him and whose passing abilities can create all kinds of angles in order to attack your opponent's weaknesses. That's what Mourinho achieved with Fabregas the last time he won the PL title. At first glance, it looked like it was a risky tactic. But, according to Fabregas' own words (and maybe right there Mourinho can be a bit disappointed with Pogba), the Spaniard adapted his game to the particularities of his deeper role. That Chelsea side wasn't flamboyant by any means but as long as Fabregas had gas in the tank, they looked dangerous whenever they got over the halfway line.

In conclusion, create vertical movement either by signing a player who's really good at it or by generating it with passing skills. Looking back into Mourinho's textbook, Chelsea 2004-05 or Chelsea 2014-15. It can work either way.

2. It depends on what we are trying to do. Mourinho is one of the very few managers who still have faith in the old traditional #10. Both Ozil and Sneijder played some of the best football of their entire careers under Mourinho. Keep in mind though that this didn't happen by freeing them up but by giving them even more responsibilities on the pitch. They weren't exactly given a free pass at defending but they were recognized as the weakest link of the whole defensive plan which i guess is something that Pogba would like. But -and here comes the catch- they had to compensate for that with their exquisite off the ball movement and their sublime ability to find pockets of space between the lines. If Pogba can do that, it remains to be seen. But even at Juventus, he delivered the goods not so much because he was trying to adjust his movement to that of the players around him but more because the others were trying to adjust to him. Which i suspect is the reason why Paul presumably holds a grudge at Jose atm.

I believe the best Pogba can expect is something similar to the role Lampard had. One more thing, you mention Eriksen in your post and rightly so. He's doing wonders by starting on the wings but then seemingly having a free role when Spurs have the ball in the attacking half. I've often caught myself thinking that if Pochettino had Pogba's flair at his disposal he could make Spurs push for even greater things. But the real playmaker in Spurs' system is their pressing, their ability to regain possession high up the pitch. At its most extreme and when applied to perfection, high pressing makes people wonder "how can Klopp make Liverpool play so well with such a lacklustre midfield?". Unfortunately (my opinion), we don't have that option under Mourinho and we can't have that type of CAM.

3. Traditionally, his plan B revolves around the 442 diamond or more conservative forms of his preferred 4231. Of course, one can argue that with his choices for the player in the hole his formation looks closer to 433 (point forward) than to 4411 or traditional 442. Anyway, stranger things have happened in football and i don't believe he'll be so adamant about it if the 433 works for him.
 
How has Kessie been doing at Milan?
Kessie isn't even officially a Milan player yet. He's on loan there until 2019 when he'll join them "officially". Don't think he will be moving till then atleast. Also I don't think he's the kind of player we need to get the best out of Pogba, he's too similar to him IMO.
 
It's not about formations, or tactics, or which midfielders to sign to play alongside Pogba. These are all red-herrings.

Fundamentally, it's about the player's attitude and willingness to work hard both off and on the pitch. If these are lacking, then no amount of tinkering with other things is going to fix the problem.
 
It's not about formations, or tactics, or which midfielders to sign to play alongside Pogba. These are all red-herrings.

Fundamentally, it's about the player's attitude and willingness to work hard both off and on the pitch. If these are lacking, then no amount of tinkering with other things is going to fix the problem.

Yeah nothing to do with coaching or tactics. It's about attitude.

It's not as if we are talking about a player who was awesome for Juventus at very young age.

Also it's laughable to say Pogba doesn't work hard on and off the pitch. This is becoming more and more like a Sun opinion piece.
 
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It's not about formations, or tactics, or which midfielders to sign to play alongside Pogba. These are all red-herrings.

Fundamentally, it's about the player's attitude and willingness to work hard both off and on the pitch. If these are lacking, then no amount of tinkering with other things is going to fix the problem.

On Jose definitely. While Pogba does seem inflexible at times, the manager needs to help him more to realize his potential.

If Pogba leaves on this account, it will be a huge failure for Jose, so I reckon things will get better soon.
 
It's not about formations, or tactics, or which midfielders to sign to play alongside Pogba. These are all red-herrings.

Fundamentally, it's about the player's attitude and willingness to work hard both off and on the pitch. If these are lacking, then no amount of tinkering with other things is going to fix the problem.

There is very little evidence to suggest the player has a bad attitude and doesn't work hard off the pitch
 
Yeah nothing to do with coaching or tactics. It's about attitude.

It's not as if we are talking about a player who was awesome for Juventus at very young age.

Also it's laughable to say Pogba doesn't work hard on and off the pitch. This is becoming more and more like a Sun opinion piece.

I didn't say it has "nothing to do with" tactics - instead I said it's not fundamentally about this. The same applies to coaching, except that the right coach can help to instil a better attitude and work ethic.

Who cares whether or not Pogba was "awesome" at Juve, when he's not "awesome" in the Prem.

Serie A is not the Prem and - unlike Juve - United are not the dominant team in their domestic league.
 
I didn't say it has "nothing to do with" tactics - instead I said it's not fundamentally about this. The same applies to coaching, except that the right coach can help to instil a better attitude and work ethic.

Who cares whether or not Pogba was "awesome" at Juve, when he's not "awesome" in the Prem.

Serie A is not the Prem and - unlike Juve - United are not the dominant team in their domestic league.

Yeah and we have to ignore Champions league performances.

Pogba had very good season except 2 games where he was poor, so lets not rewrite history here.

If you take away tactics or coach role in player's performance then there is nothing to discuss, this is something you should know better as players before and after Poch was plain obvious to see. Dembele was going nowhere now he is a good midfielder.

Again your posts are like Sun journalism, poor performance so yeah let talk about attitude and work ethic when some of the best players to play the game in recent past have praised Pogba's attitude.

Pirlo:
"Sometimes with natural ability, some players think that is enough, but that's not the case with him, "You are getting a player with a great attitude. He wants to be the best in the world, he wants to learn off the coaches and the senior players. He is hungry to be the best."

So stop with lazy points.
 
This is getting ridiculous - if Pogba absolutely cannot play in a midfield 2 then it his problem - we can't always completely adjust the system just to fit him, he also needs to adapt.

Modric - Kroos: 2 midfielders without world class defensive play/athleticism - played in a midfield 2

Carrick - Scholes: Won the champions league in a midfield 2

If he truly is as great as he supposedly is/think he is/acts like then he needs to step up and perform for us in the big games.

Gerrard, another player who supposedly couldnt play in a midfield 2, did it in big games (2005 CL final) - Pogba has the ability to as well.
 
1. The perfect combination would be a mix of both, thus the lure to turn Pogba into a deeper-lying midfielder. The dynamic b2b would provide surging vertical runs through the lines, pressure on the first attacker in the defensive phase, physicality and mobility either when you want to slow things down or speed them up. The deep-lying playmaker would be the metronome in our half of the pitch. The idea here is that, if we manage to handle the ball well in our third (and under pressure), the more creative player will stop wondering whether they should drop deeper to help with the build-up or not and they will start being more positive in their movements (the old feeling that "it has finally clicked").

The plus with the former option is that it seems to be Mourinho's preferred choice when he plays his version of 4231. Don't forget that even when he didn't have this option he tried to create it for him. The utilization of Zanetti in Inter's midfield was one of Mourinho's last really brilliant ideas and rejuvenated Zanetti's already glorious career. Khedira was one of his finest transfer dealings and most people usually forget that during his first stint at Chelsea he didn't hesitate to experiment with Gudjohnssen there. That is because, as a transition-based manager, he prioritizes quick vertical movement on and off the ball more than anything else.

The plus with the second option is that you always have a player in a deeper role who is able to watch all the movements ahead of him and whose passing abilities can create all kinds of angles in order to attack your opponent's weaknesses. That's what Mourinho achieved with Fabregas the last time he won the PL title. At first glance, it looked like it was a risky tactic. But, according to Fabregas' own words (and maybe right there Mourinho can be a bit disappointed with Pogba), the Spaniard adapted his game to the particularities of his deeper role. That Chelsea side wasn't flamboyant by any means but as long as Fabregas had gas in the tank, they looked dangerous whenever they got over the halfway line.

In conclusion, create vertical movement either by signing a player who's really good at it or by generating it with passing skills. Looking back into Mourinho's textbook, Chelsea 2004-05 or Chelsea 2014-15. It can work either way.

2. It depends on what we are trying to do. Mourinho is one of the very few managers who still have faith in the old traditional #10. Both Ozil and Sneijder played some of the best football of their entire careers under Mourinho. Keep in mind though that this didn't happen by freeing them up but by giving them even more responsibilities on the pitch. They weren't exactly given a free pass at defending but they were recognized as the weakest link of the whole defensive plan which i guess is something that Pogba would like. But -and here comes the catch- they had to compensate for that with their exquisite off the ball movement and their sublime ability to find pockets of space between the lines. If Pogba can do that, it remains to be seen. But even at Juventus, he delivered the goods not so much because he was trying to adjust his movement to that of the players around him but more because the others were trying to adjust to him. Which i suspect is the reason why Paul presumably holds a grudge at Jose atm.

I believe the best Pogba can expect is something similar to the role Lampard had. One more thing, you mention Eriksen in your post and rightly so. He's doing wonders by starting on the wings but then seemingly having a free role when Spurs have the ball in the attacking half. I've often caught myself thinking that if Pochettino had Pogba's flair at his disposal he could make Spurs push for even greater things. But the real playmaker in Spurs' system is their pressing, their ability to regain possession high up the pitch. At its most extreme and when applied to perfection, high pressing makes people wonder "how can Klopp make Liverpool play so well with such a lacklustre midfield?". Unfortunately (my opinion), we don't have that option under Mourinho and we can't have that type of CAM.

3. Traditionally, his plan B revolves around the 442 diamond or more conservative forms of his preferred 4231. Of course, one can argue that with his choices for the player in the hole his formation looks closer to 433 (point forward) than to 4411 or traditional 442. Anyway, stranger things have happened in football and i don't believe he'll be so adamant about it if the 433 works for him.

Huh, fancy that. Well reasoned posts do still exist.
 
Yeah and we have to ignore Champions league performances.

Pogba had very good season except 2 games where he was poor, so lets not rewrite history here.

If you take away tactics or coach role in player's performance then there is nothing to discuss, this is something you should know better as players before and after Poch was plain obvious to see. Dembele was going nowhere now he is a good midfielder.

Again your posts are like Sun journalism, poor performance so yeah let talk about attitude and work ethic when some of the best players to play the game in recent past have praised Pogba's attitude.

Pirlo:


So stop with lazy points.

It's hardly lazy when most folk can see with their own eyes, when watching Pogba play, that he often jogs casually around and often plays as if certain roles are beneath him.

And why is it that so much talk is about who he allegedly needs to play alongside, or what role he allegedly needs to be given to flourish, or why he apparently can't play in a midfield 2? A player with the right attitude and work ethic would just get stuck in and do the job, regardless of what, where and why.
 
Yeah and we have to ignore Champions league performances.

Pogba had very good season except 2 games where he was poor, so lets not rewrite history here.

If you take away tactics or coach role in player's performance then there is nothing to discuss, this is something you should know better as players before and after Poch was plain obvious to see. Dembele was going nowhere now he is a good midfielder.

Again your posts are like Sun journalism, poor performance so yeah let talk about attitude and work ethic when some of the best players to play the game in recent past have praised Pogba's attitude.

Pirlo:


So stop with lazy points.

To be honest I think you are in the wrong here. Juventus fans warned us he was inconsistent. You will get that with young players but let’s not pretend we signed a complete player.

It’s also one thing working hard when you’re a young player establishing yourself in a team full of World Class players who can carry you.

It’s another when you are the main man but think you’re a superstar who can just stroll around doing what you want. This actually seems like what a lot of posters want.
 
It's hardly lazy when most folk can see with their own eyes, when watching Pogba play, that he often jogs casually around and often plays as if certain roles are beneath him.

And why is it that so much talk is about who he allegedly needs to play alongside, or what role he allegedly needs to be given to flourish, or why he apparently can't play in a midfield 2? A player with the right attitude and work ethic would just get stuck in and do the job, regardless of what, where and why.

Yeah internet body language experts:lol:
 
Yeah internet body language experts:lol:
I wish there were proper evident statistics about distance covered. Matic was 4th placed in the league in early January, according to reports I read. I bet it is because he has had to cover for everyone around him, including Pogba.

The whole team needs to apply itself more on the pitch, we as a team are last-placed in total kilometres ran throughout the season. Last season was the same story.
 
It’s not body language to see if someone is running or not, or putting in a tackle or not.

What a bizarre response.

Check who was covering box to box very late in the game and it takes just few seconds to bust this bs myth.