Which manager left the team in the worst state?

Which manager left the team in a worse state?


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Man management doesn't mean licking arse of players, they either follow instructions or feck off. No one is going to coddle them to "buy into" the managers instructions.

No top manager wastes his time in making players "buy into" there instructions, they're just fecked off instantly and the other players get the message loud and clear and that my delusional dear sir is whats called man management and not this hand holding coddling nonsense.
I feel like there's a healthy medium somewhere in there. Managers should be able to explain why their tactics or instructions are going to be useful in the game. This will make players "buy into it."

if a team had a manager that says "do this because I say so" without going any further into detail (at least on some occasions), id hate to play for that manager.


i know it's just a TV show but you should watch Ted Lasso. It's about a coach with amazing man management - can learn a lot of lessons from it
 
Wow shocked by the result. surely its Moyes

He took the United job in July at a time we needed to do a big rebuild, only to find no signings were planned and all preparation was pretty much ruined when Woodward was wasting his time on Bale. Then ended up with Fellaini.

If you ask me the worst rebuild was Van Gaal's during the following years when we signed Depay, Schweinsteiger, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Rojo, Falcao, Di Maria etc. We missed out on big players like Fabinho, De Bruyne, Salah, Firmino, Costa and Griezmann. Mourinho most definitely had the biggest job, in hindsight he was completely right about guys like Martial and Shaw. There's so much truth to that football heritage interview looking back, he truly inherited a mess and somehow came out with a couple trophies.
 
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I feel like there's a healthy medium somewhere in there. Managers should be able to explain why their tactics or instructions are going to be useful in the game. This will make players "buy into it."

if a team had a manager that says "do this because I say so" without going any further into detail (at least on some occasions), id hate to play for that manager.

Most great leaders in history arent coddly moddly. Even the most kind of them shows strict fairness in rewards and punishments.

Men are inherently lazy and need discipline and like most leader most soldiers fought well when they were lead by strict discipline.

Off course I'm not talking about military type of discipline but pandering towards your subordinate never bode well for anyone in management. You're paid to manage not to he friends with them. It's good to be molly codly but when they slack it's time to show you mean business. Otherwise look at rhe mess he left behind, culture broken is the hardest thing to fix in management
 
In hindsight these were very good players and still are. Di Maria and Herrera still plays constantly in PSG and Blind is key player for ETH Ajax team. We could do with them right now. (Di Maria = RW, Herrera > McT, Blind > Maguire, etc)

Di Maria has been finished for years. Definitely can't do with him now.

Though back then when we signed there's no doubt he was easily one of the best wingers in the world. In his last season with Madrid he was really exceptional player and in hist first few games with us he showed his fantastic abilities. Shame that it didn't work out eventually. LVG didn't help him and Di Maria didn't help himself either.
 
Perception of this squad is skewed because of how awful this season has been and how good our rivals look right now. Looking at it with clear eyes I think you'd have to say that the squad LVG left behind was far worse than this one.
 
The manager that got us 3ed and 2ed in his last seasons and brought Sancho and Varane in his last summer.

I swear if 10 years from now we lose a League Cup game, some posters will find a way to blame Ole.
I don't open the Caf too often these days but when I do, some of the posts you see. I swear some of the people on here have gone absolutely barmy.

How they just conclude a manager who got us 2nd and 3rd ( the only time we did it consecutively post SAF) is the worst amongst a group who had us finishing 5th, 6th and 7th is something I'll never understand.
 
Most great leaders in history arent coddly moddly. Even the most kind of them shows strict fairness in rewards and punishments.

Men are inherently lazy and need discipline and like most leader most soldiers fought well when they were lead by strict discipline.

Off course I'm not talking about military type of discipline but pandering towards your subordinate never bode well for anyone in management. You're paid to manage not to he friends with them. It's good to be molly codly but when they slack it's time to show you mean business. Otherwise look at rhe mess he left behind, culture broken is the hardest thing to fix in management

Absolutely. I remember hearing about an incident when Lee Sharpe was at United and he met Fergie somewhere outside and said Hi Alex. Fergie blasted him and said I am Mr. Ferguson to you.
I have never heard any of his players ever saying Fergie or Alex when talking about him. It's always Sir Alex or The Gaffer or The Boss.
 
He took the United job in July at a time we needed to do a big rebuild, only to find no signings were planned and all preparation was pretty much ruined when Woodward was wasting his time on Bale. Then ended up with Fellaini.

If you ask me the worst rebuild was Van Gaal's during the following years when we signed Depay, Schweinsteiger, Darmian, Schneiderlin, Rojo, Falcao, Di Maria etc. We missed out on big players like Fabinho, De Bruyne, Salah, Firmino, Costa and Griezmann. Mourinho most definitely had the biggest job, in hindsight he was completely right about guys like Martial and Shaw. There's so much truth to that football heritage interview looking back, he truly inherited a mess and somehow came out with a couple trophies.
who lost us Thiago and Kroos? Maybe you are right. LVG turned down Kroos I think and Moyes had secured that. Moyes didn't really get much time to make an impact. Jose was a fecker though. His signings were BS too. We basically need to replace all of them already
 
Theyy don't play if they don't do the basics.

Unfortunately, United isn't in a position to not play a few of the players and, please remember, these aren't Ralf's players anyway. They're just inherited from previous bad/good buys.
In addition to that, a few of them got to play in a very functional system under LVG, then in a "let's be men and wing it" system under Mourinho and in god knows what under Ole. Most of them need to be moved on as their development has been hugely affected.

Ralf's job is literally to get some stability until the summer and finish the season. The club waved the season goodbye when they appointed him and you should have seen that a mile a way.
His only job since he came in was to steady the ship and start putting methods in place that will be carried over by the next man. So, basically, he's doing part of the job ETH would do anyway. Try to play a new system, with a new style and see who's on board or not.
When ETH or any other manager comes in, he'll have a competent squad report built by a proper manager not some amateur like we had before. Added to that, he'll find a good training structure with a few new methods implemented that he can take over.

It's a very basic concept called change management and it applies absolutely everywhere, from construction to business and sport.
Pretty much disagree with this in its entirety.

The Glazers/board legitimately thought Ralf could turn this around, get top 4 setting the club up for the manager of choice to join at the end of the season. This is a public company, and intentionally losing £100m in revenues by spurning top 4 is tantamount to business mismanagement and would open them to serious legal issues by large shareholders.

So let’s assume, for the sake of it, that you’re correct, and that the board was happy to feck off to CL and CL revenues and wanted “stability”.

Where’s this “stability”? You’ve got a player who is arguably the GOAT who is in terrible form. Rashford, so low on confidence he can barely make a 5 yd pass. he completely fecked up the Martial and Lingard situations. Ralf’s tried to implement an incredibly naive 4-2-2-2 which hasn’t worked at all, aside from 45 min at Crystal Palace, which all the Ralf apologists tout as “see, it works!”. He’s abandoned that to try and get results and thus we are no closer to ETH’s system. And oh, by the way, when he took over, how could he know which manager we’d get and what system to install? His results have basically been the same as Ole this season (40% win percentage), he’s lost a derby badly, we’re out of the CL, FA Cup and mired in 7th.

All this for a a magical “report on the squad” which I’m sure will be dusted with gold and emanating rainbows as ETH bows before the master that is Ralf and humbly accepts this blessed roadmap to success that “the brilliant professor” has generously bestowed upon us.

If ETH has a grain of common sense, he’ll make his own assessment of the squad, make a few key buys in the summer and somehow build a foundation of success with the players we’ve got (including academy players and u23s).

Ralf’s pretty much been a disaster, the squad is at its lowest point since I can remember, and that’s saying something because the Moyes days were pretty dark.
 
The difference is LVG's purchases were relatively easy to move on. We recouped a fair bit of Di Maria's fee, Blind was also sold back to Ajax, Herrera left us on a free which was frustrating and something we couldn't control. Shaw and Martial were actually decent for us in spells.

Ole on the other hand decided to spunk millions on players who we're going to struggle offloading. We can't get rid of Maguire and AWB without making a huge loss, and even then which club is going to offer them similar wages? We're struck with them unless we can dupe Newcastle, or they feck off on a free years from now.
Schweinstiger? Schneiderlin, Rojo, Darmian, Falcao, Depay, and we lost money on every single deal :lol:

‘LvG spent US$ 386m and the players he bought were sold for roughly $132m, for a tidy loss of $254m…

Then Jose… roughly $513m spent, including Bailly, Lindelof, Dalot and Fred who are still part of the squad. But then you have Sanchez, Lukaku, Pogba, Mhiki, Matic…Sales from Jose players have amounted to roughly $118m in sales… a loss (so far) of $395m. If Lindelof is worth 30m, Bailly 20m, Dalot 20m, Fred 30m, well, that’s still a loss of $295m

I mean Ole’s spent 504m, but Sancho and Bruno are still worth a combined $200m, he made a profit on Dan James, and even a pessimist would agree that Maguire is still worth 30m and AWB 15m, Telles 15m, DVB15m, Varane still worth 40-50m…
 
Has to be Ole. Who knew handing over the keys to someone completely unexperienced in any way shape or form would result in this.

Maguire waste of money
AWB waste of money
DVB waste of money
Pellestri still nothing yet
Amad still nothing yet
Tom Heaton pointless
Alex Telles not good enough
Sancho still has a lot to prove
Dan James has already gone
Varane is injured all the time
Cavani is injured all the time
Bruno is about the only decent signing and he has the capability to frustrate as much as anyone

The cultural reboot was nothing but a load of crap.

Our midfield players today were the same midfield players we put out against Everton when we lost 4-0 to them around 3/4 years ago

Money was Ed’s job, not Ole’s job. There’s one person who ties all these managers together Ed. So who really fecked up United? Ed Or Gill/SAF?