It seems that Bayern are respecting Tel's wishes. I'm not a fan of such a clause and hope it matches Spurs' original offer after deducting the loan fee. Have you heard anything about the amount?
Which Forward will we sign or loan today? (Deadline Day)
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It feels like Bayern have done United dirty there
Which is a shame because I thought our clubs had a good respectful relationship
Which is a shame because I thought our clubs had a good respectful relationship
I think it's the other way around actually. We originally offered Bayern 60 mil euros for a permanent deal, but Tel wasn't interested. So we went for a loan deal which he agreed to, but it's obvious that Bayern want a permanent fee. They still owe us money for Kane so they're probably looking to erase that remaining debt in whole or part.
I have no idea on the payment structure for Kane‘s deal but Bayern isn’t exactly poor. Better phrased: they are rich. Any outstanding payments for Kane (if they exist) won’t impact the Tel deal.
I agree with you that Spurs and Bayern agreed on a permanent deal, but Tel only wanted a loan. His stance seems to have changed. So if the offer was €60m and the loan fee is €8m than I hope that the option is at least €52m.
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I'd suggest we'd need to find £150M from somewhere to achieve this my friend.
Ineos have already stripped the club back to the bare bones off the pitch and are now turning to the playing staff.
I'd like to think it'll be only 18-24 months of sub-obscurity as we bounce around mid-table but I fear that's potentially wishful thinking.
I feel and fear for Amorim. I reckon he was badly miss-sold this gig by Sir Jim & Co and wouldn't be that surprised if he ended up walking before he's pushed.
We've been outdone by Spurs by the look of things, absolute shambles. Amorim has been hung out to dry.
If we sign Gyokeres in the summer that would just about make it ok, but will we?!
If we sign Gyokeres in the summer that would just about make it ok, but will we?!
... No.
The way he is being hyped sets him up for failure massively. 6 months ago 95% had never heard of him and now he is a top 5 striker.
Oh just saw you're a Bayern supporter. I'm not sure about Bayern's finances but I'm sure it makes the deal easier with them owing us money still. Looks like it is effectively 60 million euros total (5 mil loan fee plus 55 mil buy option).
What do you make of him as a player out of curiosity? Assuming you've seen him play for Bayern.
Yeah not anymore
Very odd situation. Seems like Spurs have potentially got a good deal, and the deal we wanted. I’ve not really been following it but has there been any word on how this has happened? I thought it had broke down because they wanted an obligation to buy, whereas we just wanted an option like Spurs got? And not only that but he turned them down and now he’s suddenly committing 6.5 years to them?
I know what you mean, but he's consistent and top strikers are pretty rare.
Sorry for the confusion regarding the team I support.
Tel is neither a winger nor a 9. He is a (left) wide forward or a secondary striker.
He had great output his first two seasons in limited time (amazing g+a per 90 min ratio) but that was also due to him being subbed on when Bayern was up and the opponent had basically given up.
Kompany has not given him many minutes and when he had his chances he was too anxious to proof the coaches wrong which resulted in disappointing performances.
He is very mature for his age and seems a great guy. His dream is (was?) to make it at Bayern. He loves the club and the fans love him back. The issue is that his position doesn’t really exist at Bayern.
You guys are constantly shitting on any league not called the PL but him doing it in Portugal doesn’t seem to faze anyone.
Don’t know if Bayern did us dirty, maybe it was really last minute change, but surely Spurs got the deal we wanted so it’s indeed bitter
I think it was the £5m loan fee that killed it. We were looking for a cheap body til the end of the season, rather than a longer term project. Not worth the £5m if no prospect of signing permanently and no intention to sign permanently as we have other targets for the summer.
I don't think it was, really.
Pretty sure if we'd have genuinely wanted a striker this window, a lot more would have been done in the early parts of the month (and even earlier) to get negotiations advanced and in place where they were ready to be quickly resolved once we could move players on.
There's been no real solid links or serious 'targets'. We've just made half hearted overtures to one or two, but pretty sure there was never any real intent to bring in a striker this window. Perhaps if we'd sold Garnacho, we'd have seen something. Without a big sale, I don't think there's been any real sincere intent to add to the attacking numbers this window.
We are f*cked.
Shaw is nearly back, be like a new signing.
Then Mount will make an appearance and everything will click, be grand.
It's not just #9 that we need - even if we supposedly couldn't find value in the market there, we could have done with another attacking option to cover other areas as well.
I think a signing like Marco Asensio - who Villa have got on loan from PSG today - would have offered the kind of experience and versatility in attacking areas that would have been a more than useful addition.
We're very low on numbers. Any injuries - and we know how many we get - and we're even more screwed.
I think a signing like Marco Asensio - who Villa have got on loan from PSG today - would have offered the kind of experience and versatility in attacking areas that would have been a more than useful addition.
We're very low on numbers. Any injuries - and we know how many we get - and we're even more screwed.
Same.
I think our options will be in the summer. Can’t really think of many strikers available. Maybe Dusic (Juve), Welbeck (Brighton), E Ferguson (Brighton). We’ll just have to work with Hojlund and Zirkzee for the next few months.
Circle the wagons time, us against the world, auld lads, young lads, the walking wounded.....it'll be the making of us.
Horrific window really. We lost 2 attacking options (who to be fair needed to go) and didn't replace them.
The squad is in the worse place simply because we have less options than previously, despite their quality.
Amorim really has been let down.
The squad is in the worse place simply because we have less options than previously, despite their quality.
Amorim really has been let down.
Amorim and the board know exactly the targets for the summer, and we aren't being knee jerk. We are actually planning our spending and not paying absurd loan fees.
It’s funny how people are turning their nose up at him but hyping Isak as the best in the world which he’s not even close and has only had a few good seasons.
I think most Utd fans would be pretty delighted with either.
Absolutely but Isak is going to cost about £150 compared to about £75m. We can’t sink £150m into anyone when our squad needs so much work.
Listen to this poster
Signing another unproven striker won't do anything.... what's good about Tel?
Yeah you'd think we've learned from Antony, Hojlund, Zirkzee etc etc etc that it's a double edged sword signing "potential". 12 goals in 60 apps in the most dominant team in Germany - another £50million is a huge, huge gamble for spurs. There's a reason Bayern are selling him.
I’m actually shocked we didn’t move him on this window. I thought he’d be the fastest to move on as it’s abundantly clear that he’s not good enough to even come off the bench anymore.
Even a small fee would’ve been good enough considering the wages we’d be getting off the books.
It’s strange how no Saudi club tried hard enough for him.
Summer is irrelevant to the conversation. We have half a season left, still competing for 2 trophies and we're struggling to score, we've just let 2 attacking players go with no replacement.
We've essentially said we're happy to do feck all this season and regroup next year.
We were actively trying to get Tel on loan, we just couldn't negotiate a deal which suited, so stop trying to pretend it's all part of some larger plan for summer spending. There's 0 evidence that's the case and until we've signed the players in the summer let's hold on before we start pretending we're operating at some higher level.
How is it a huge gamble for spurs? They have him on a try before you buy basis. It's a loan with an option to buy. If he's shite they simply renege on the deal.
Looking at the overall winter transfers it seems Saudi has gone more for 19-25 year old this window. No big fees were thrown around except for Duran.
I guess it would fit into a bigger masterplan. I'd suspect them to want big (old) names first, then use them as a magnet to get more younger/prime-aged players for the future, to make the league not an old-boys league. They probably try and make the best league in the World, so I suspect Casemiro will be hard getting shipped to Saudi Arabia in the summer too. We're stuck with him.
Obligation isn't it? Maybe I read wrong. A lot of these loans deals are just future-signings with little sneaky ways tacked in to dodge FFP. Similar thing happened with David Raya I am sure, but I won't die on the hill about this or anything.
Yeah - at the minute it just looks like INEOS are getting our spending under control and resetting everything to 0 before they have even begun to move forward. It's painful, and maybe necessary. It's hard to entirely blame the players for struggling when there's this endless aura of uncertainty about us though.
Those options may as well not been here seeing as neither would’ve played, or contributed even if they did.
The way I see it, they’re still undoing the bad decisions of previous windows, which not only includes getting some of that deadwood out but also showing other clubs that things are a bit different now.
Sending a message to our players that says nobody is untouchable so get your shit together, and one to other clubs that’s says United aren’t mugs anymore so shove your loan fee up your arse, personally I’m here for it. You can’t quantify it, but it needs to happen regardless.
Bayern by the looks of it wanted obligation but it's ended up being an option, they've done well out of it.
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