Yeah, I think it’s his the case now since they flagged the Arsenal goal being disallowed at OT. If the ref clearly sees it and makes a decision I don’t think VAR is meant to get involved. It’s why VAR didn’t get involved in Leicester v ChelseaHas anyone in the media even acknowledged the fact that Andre Marriner abused VAR in defiance of the rules to change a decision? VAR is not allowed to go "actually I think that should be a red, not a yellow." It's meant for instances where the ref doesn't see the incident, or makes a call that's completely at odds with what happened. The VAR official isn't allowed to use the technology to persuade the ref to change a call. That's literally not allowed. Marriner abused his position to feck us over (yet again) and I'm not hearing a single peep about that anywhere except here.
The standard of refereeing is rank bad but there's little to no actual corruption or deliberate bias.
Something needs to be done though. I don't actually think Anthony Taylor did that much obviously wrong yesterday (all decisions marginal) but its the inconsistencies demonstrated week-in, week-out.
One thing is for sure, VAR hasnt helped at all when it comes to getting the right decision, bar with offsides
Match fixing is real and been going on for decades and for many leagues. You wouldn't realise it because it is very subtle and they don't do it every game. Only games with huge betting activity. E.g. World Cup final
This season feels different. Don't know if it is because of VAR but this season feels more like a hatchet job. Like someone trying to ruin the season. It's sickening to see.
https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/mark-cl...lan-to-infamous-chelsea-vs-spurs-clash-151688I’ve been of the opinion that they create narratives to make the league more entertaining for a while now and they go out of their way to feed into it, like this season for example.. they end up with a “race for top four” and also a race for the top between pep and his protégé..you can see it happening a mile off, it’s all about creating drama
Well I think it's also a fear of having the ABU media crashing down on their heads if they give a 50/50 call to United. So I would say it's a form of bias, yes. Not corruption as such.I dont think it's corruption. Incompetence definitely.
No not even that, it's pure Incompetence on refs and VARIf people don’t accept it being called corruption, which is fair, then can they at least accept it being called selective bias?
Not at all. The IFAB rules state:I've seen people posting this but is this actually the case? Genuinely asking for my own knowledge. Not attempting to agree or disagree. Is this a law documented/stated somewhere?
Which says nothing about the ref not having seen the play. If the VAR refs consider the incident should be a red according to the rules and the field ref only gave a yellow, they're actually required to ask the field ref to review the play (after a conversation where both sides explain their reasoning).The original decision given by the referee will not be changed unless the video review clearly shows that the decision was a 'clear and obvious error'.
I'm sorry but of all the clubs to have benefited from referee calls over the decades Utd must be very very high on the list. This is a hilarious thread.
You sound like a Liverpool fan now. This is the biggest insult I can give another person.Meh one of footballs great myths. The thing with United is we won a lot of stuff. So most horrendous decisions that went against us would often be inconsequential or nobody outside United would care so it wouldn’t be big news.
Man Utd getting a contentious decision in their favour is headline news. The media know it. They know the average fan will lap it up and it’ll feed into their hysterical ness. May even get a panaroma special on it.
To give you a prime example. In 2005 spurs scored a legit goal at old Trafford that passed the line but not given. Linesman was too far away to see … but anyway, that decision probably stopped spurs from finishing 10th and instead they finished 11th. That call spawned so much outrage and discussion for years.
In 2010 didier drogba stood about 500 miles offside at Old Trafford to score a goal that LITERALLY cost United a league title. Barely any outrage, no panorama special, nothing.
Thing is most United fans can probably give you tonnes of examples of decisions not given in uniteds favour. There’s just no point because nobody wants to hear it. The other way however and ….
How can you be so certain? Why does the corruptIon exist in La Liga, Serie A etc. but PL is somehow exempt? "Incompetence" is a very easy and lazy way out of this problem IMO, I think it's very unlikely PL is completely clean of such things.No not even that, it's pure Incompetence on refs and VAR
Agree mate, embarrassingThis is so rawk
The clearest example of bias/corruption - call it what you will - came under Fergie. Anyone remember when he said that Alan Wiley had not been fit enough to keep up with the game in a post-match interview? We literally never got a decision for the next couple of seasons, it was absolutely blatant.As if we didn't have bad calls with Fergie. Big ones too.
Not at all. The IFAB rules state:
Which says nothing about the ref not having seen the play. If the VAR refs consider the incident should be a red according to the rules and the field ref only gave a yellow, they're actually required to ask the field ref to review the play (after a conversation where both sides explain their reasoning).
I think the confusion comes from pre VAR days when red cards couldn't be retrospectively applied if a yellow had been given on the pitchOkay glad there's been some clarification on this because that other thing was posted a lot and it seemed like that would have been a weird law. Thanks.
No, it isn't! Look at the number of comments on several similar threads on here this evening. Genuine United fans are heartily sick of the ongoing corruption and bias from match officials and the media against United. I suggest that you actually watch our matches to see what is happening.
You sound like a Liverpool fan now. This is the biggest insult I can give another person.
I'm sorry but of all the clubs to have benefited from referee calls over the decades Utd must be very very high on the list.
There’s literally 3 examples this weekend of the same challenge or worse that did not even get a booking. Casemiro got a booking. Then VAR upgraded it to a red.Nothing is happening that isn't happening in football regularly. United are NOT being singled out.
1000% this.My opinion is Utd should appeal Casemiro's red card purely for one reason if this possible not knowing the in's and outs of the process. You powerpoint the Chelsea v Leicester game and any other game this season Marriner is on and get him to answer why only Casemiro. Same as why wasn't Ayew sent off in the previous one. Marriner is knee deep in all this. If he sends the Leicester player off then far do's he is consistent but this is far from that and the games were less than 24hrs apart. This is also apparent on Marriner not giving Taylor a call to review any of the pens shouts. Handball and Rashford caught by keeper are clear as day. Bruno's isn't a pen as replay shows he didn't protect the ball from the incoming tackle.
Mariner wasn’t var for the Leicester gameMy opinion is Utd should appeal Casemiro's red card purely for one reason if this possible not knowing the in's and outs of the process. You powerpoint the Chelsea v Leicester game and any other game this season Marriner is on and get him to answer why only Casemiro. Same as why wasn't Ayew sent off in the previous one. Marriner is knee deep in all this. If he sends the Leicester player off then far do's he is consistent but this is far from that and the games were less than 24hrs apart. This is also apparent on Marriner not giving Taylor a call to review any of the pens shouts. Handball and Rashford caught by keeper are clear as day. Bruno's isn't a pen as replay shows he didn't protect the ball from the incoming tackle.
United are not high on the list. Its a myth. But carry on....
There’s literally 3 examples this weekend of the same challenge or worse that did not even get a booking. Casemiro got a booking. Then VAR upgraded it to a red.
If we appeal is the conversation between ref and VAR reviewed? I'd like to know what VAR could of possibly seen that the ref hadn't already seen when he decided to book CasemiroMy opinion is Utd should appeal Casemiro's red card purely for one reason if this possible not knowing the in's and outs of the process. You powerpoint the Chelsea v Leicester game and any other game this season Marriner is on and get him to answer why only Casemiro. Same as why wasn't Ayew sent off in the previous one. Marriner is knee deep in all this. If he sends the Leicester player off then far do's he is consistent but this is far from that and the games were less than 24hrs apart. This is also apparent on Marriner not giving Taylor a call to review any of the pens shouts. Handball and Rashford caught by keeper are clear as day. Bruno's isn't a pen as replay shows he didn't protect the ball from the incoming tackle.
Big Altrincham fan.I think bias is way more likely than corruption. Is Taylor a city fan or something? He's a manc right and Liverpool fans seem to hate him too
The problem is, United are the biggest club and if you give them a dodgy decision, you're going to have your name spat in shame all over the TV screens. You can definitely definitely see officials hesitate to give us decisions and don't do it unless it's absolutely cast iron.Nothing is happening that isn't happening in football regularly. United are NOT being singled out.
The whole point is that refs know that if they get a decision wrong in favour of United then they will be subject to intense scrutiny. Hence it's easier for them to not give stuff in our favour.Blame it on inconsistent refereeing then. Not silly things like corruption or bias. Referees do want to be seen as getting the right decision.
Why?Blame it on inconsistent refereeing then. Not silly things like corruption or bias. Referees do want to be seen as getting the right decision.
This is so rawk
Agree mate, embarrassing
The whole point is that refs know that if they get a decision wrong in favour of United then they will be subject to intense scrutiny. Hence it's easier for them to not give stuff in our favour.
Marriner was the actual on-field ref in the Leicester - Chelsea, game. Graham Scott was the VAR.My opinion is Utd should appeal Casemiro's red card purely for one reason if this possible not knowing the in's and outs of the process. You powerpoint the Chelsea v Leicester game and any other game this season Marriner is on and get him to answer why only Casemiro. Same as why wasn't Ayew sent off in the previous one. Marriner is knee deep in all this. If he sends the Leicester player off then far do's he is consistent but this is far from that and the games were less than 24hrs apart. This is also apparent on Marriner not giving Taylor a call to review any of the pens shouts. Handball and Rashford caught by keeper are clear as day. Bruno's isn't a pen as replay shows he didn't protect the ball from the incoming tackle.
