Sorry but so what if she was a former stripper? And you're using 'i heard that she cheated on him loads of times' as something to absolve Ryan?! As if it wasn't his BROTHER'S wife? Just leave it as 'what Ryan did was shitty'...I don't see the need for a 'but'.It was shitty but the story was more complicated. Giggs' brother's girlfriend was a former stripper and I've heard that she cheated on him with a lot of other football players as well. She slept with a lot of different people and footballers, so I am not sure why Ryan only gets the stick.
It was a reality check for Ryan's brother to not date her anymore and he later remarried and now has a couple of kids and is happily married. He's been making a lot of money out of this scandal and he's done so many yt videos about it. He's been profiting out of this situation and it's his main source of income.
What Ryan did was shitty and he's a flawed human being but there were a lot of footballers who were serial shaggers. Not sure why Ryan is the only who gets the stick about it.
'Giggs banged her' and 'the first thing' speaks pretty well to your own take on women. It's a shame that you find him being a twat tiresome and want it swept under the rug.Giggs banged her before Rohdri did. Rohdri married the first thing that came his way after getting out of Jail. It was doomed. It's tiresome to keep reading about. Yes he's a cnut sometimes. Hopefully he'll manage a Premier League club to play exciting football like he did
I mean...Giggs is a complete twat for banging his brother's wife. Surely that's not even debatable...?
I actually had to put that into a calculator as I didn’t believe it. Nuts.
I liked that. Such a great spot from Gail the optician no less!Another couple of great stats.
Giggs had more assists alone than Scholes had Goals and Assists in his career combined
Giggs is the all time assists leader in both the PL and CL, Uefa won't show that on their website because they only count from 2004/05 onward.
A few interesting things from the video, unequivocally put Bale ahead of himself, backs Amorin and Garnacho, is very appreciative of his time with LVG, the left eye thing (years of playing on the left only looking right led to a few issues with missing passing options to the left when in midfield until he adapted) and how he doesn't think he would have enjoyed playing as the right wing forward role that so many suggest he would be used in now.
Why do you care so much? Finding a footballer that is faithful to his wife is like trying to find an honest politician. All of them were serial shaggers and loved to party and go to a pub and have a lot of beer.Sorry but so what if she was a former stripper? And you're using 'i heard that she cheated on him loads of times' as something to absolve Ryan?! As if it wasn't his BROTHER'S wife? Just leave it as 'what Ryan did was shitty'...I don't see the need for a 'but'.
Probably because whilst infidelity is rife, shagging your brother's wife is a line a lot of people don't cross.It was shitty but the story was more complicated. Giggs' brother's girlfriend was a former stripper and I've heard that she cheated on him with a lot of other football players as well. She slept with a lot of different people and footballers, so I am not sure why Ryan only gets the stick.
It was a reality check for Ryan's brother to not date her anymore and he later remarried and now has a couple of kids and is happily married. He's been making a lot of money out of this scandal and he's done so many yt videos about it. He's been profiting out of this situation and it's his main source of income.
What Ryan did was shitty and he's a flawed human being but there were a lot of footballers who were serial shaggers. Not sure why Ryan is the only who gets the stick about it.
I don't care so much. Why are you so intent on defending the millionaire ex footballer?!Why do you care so much? Finding a footballer that is faithful to his wife is like trying to find an honest politician. All of them were serial shaggers and loved to party and go to a pub and have a lot of beer.
When you have a lot of money, you are a magnet for chicks. Yes Ryan was a twat but what did Rhodri expect from his wife who slept with the whole footballing world?
"So what if she was a former "stripper""? Well, I certainly wouldn't want to settle down with a former stripper who slept with the entire footballing world.
People was hung up on the fact Giggs feck his brother wife, but there's a more recent case of him being abusive towards his partner and her sister. He's a scumbag and I hope he never return to football
That is odd, as he certainly ticks several of the criteria boxes.I’ve never understood why he isn’t in the hall of fame when Tony Adams is … who spent 4 months in prison for drink driving.
That is odd, as he certainly ticks several of the criteria boxes.
I'd say it's his off field issues that are keeping him out of there.
I agree. And think it's a look at me arent I morally on point. Herd mentality plays a part also as the majority seem to be aligned so closely.I think sociopathic is a bit strong and honestly long running affairs within families are really not that unusual they just generally don't make the news because unless a celebrity is involved it is just seedy but hardly newsworthy. If people want to take the moral high ground that is fair enough but on a sliding scale I would put this a long way below buying items manufactured by child labor in sweat shops which to be frank almost all of us have done and is far more ethically questionable.
The outrage just seems to be completely out of proportion to the offense and in answer to why the far less accomplished Terry is in the Hall of Fame ahead of Giggs despite his own arguably greater sins, the simple answer is that Terry is English.
Rooney shagged a prostitute behind his partners back, that would've broken her heart. Now doing what Giggs did is worse on the moral scale obviously but Rooney must be a twat aswell, yet it doesnt register on the scale with people even slightly. Nor does most of the actions of footballers for that matter. Smashing up your vehicle and another's while drunk, putting lives in danger is scummy twattish behaviour? Nope they're only talked about in a footballing sphere. When referencing Giggs on here it's like the same person, saying, great player twat of a bloke though. EtcPoint 1. Giggs is a massive twat.
Point 2. He was an outstanding footballer at times.
Point 3. Point 1 only becomes an issue to counteract Point 2 when there's evidence of criminal activity (Greenwood...).
Whether we should trust the criminal justice system and analyse the fact that in most cases of sexual/domestic violence, very few cases result in meaningful convictions (no, not every woman made it) is a very different question/debate.
Can I ask what you're basing this on?I think sociopathic is a bit strong and honestly long running affairs within families are really not that unusual they just generally don't make the news because unless a celebrity is involved it is just seedy but hardly newsworthy. If people want to take the moral high ground that is fair enough but on a sliding scale I would put this a long way below buying items manufactured by child labor in sweat shops which to be frank almost all of us have done and is far more ethically questionable.
The outrage just seems to be completely out of proportion to the offense and in answer to why the far less accomplished Terry is in the Hall of Fame ahead of Giggs despite his own arguably greater sins, the simple answer is that Terry is English.
I really don't think as many people care about being seen as moral on the internet as you think.I agree. And think it's a look at me arent I morally on point. Herd mentality plays a part also as the majority seem to be aligned so closely.
Rooney shagged a prostitute behind his partners back, that would've broken her heart. Now doing what Giggs did is worse on the moral scale obviously but Rooney must be a twat aswell, yet it doesnt register on the scale with people even slightly. Nor does most of the actions of footballers for that matter. Smashing up your vehicle and another's while drunk, putting lives in danger is scummy twattish behaviour? Nope they're only talked about in a footballing sphere. When referencing Giggs on here it's like the same person, saying, great player twat of a bloke though. Etc
I dont think you know the magnitude of said people i imagine..Can I ask what you're basing this on?
I really don't think as many people care about being seen as moral on the internet as you think.
So weird that you dismiss people commenting on Giggs' shitty behaviour as grandstanding or soapboxing. You know it could be that, yknow, people think he's morally reprehensible and that his behaviour has tainted their opinion of him. Giggs was an incredible player that absolutely lit up football for me as a kid. Of course some of the shine is taken off that by him turning out to be a bit of a shit.Moral soapboxing that's all
Yep, his footballing IQ was pretty underrated. He went from a high flying winger to a playmaker in central midfield, and that transition was made in his, what, early/mid 30s. Most footballers were retiring by the time he completely reinvented his style of play, and most can't reinvent themselves in general. Certainly not at the level Giggs did it at.He’s clearly got a lot of football knowledge, there was a lot of interesting stuff in there about the nuts and bolts of his play. It wasn’t all on instinct, there was method to a lot of it which I didn’t really credit him for.
Either the off pitch stuff matters or it doesn’t. If it does then why is John Terry in there?It’s quite obvious why he is not in the hall of fame and that’s because his recent court case coincided with the very start of the process. He would’ve been the first name in if not for that, it has nothing to do with shagging his brother’s wife.
You can see that there are levels of 'off the pitch stuff', right? John Terry is a shit but to my knowledge he was never accused of headbutting his girlfriend or shagging his brother's wife.Either the off pitch stuff matters or it doesn’t. If it does then why is John Terry in there?
Yea i remember hi starting to breeze past multiple players again. It was some real immortal jellyfish shitYep, his footballing IQ was pretty underrated. He went from a high flying winger to a playmaker in central midfield, and that transition was made in his, what, early/mid 30s. Most footballers were retiring by the time he completely reinvented his style of play, and most can't reinvent themselves in general. Certainly not at the level Giggs did it at.
Remember, he was probably the best player on the pitch in the 1st half of our home game against Madrid in 2013. He would've been either 38 or 39 by that point. It was incredible watching it live.
I was only half listening whilst doing something else, but i think they brought up how he got stick for being wasteful in possession at times during his later years, and he held his hands up by saying he should've played it more like a chess match or something by that point. I'll have to listen again but that was interesting.
No just calling someone a black c..tYou can see that there are levels of 'off the pitch stuff', right? John Terry is a shit but to my knowledge he was never accused of headbutting his girlfriend or shagging his brother's wife.
If I remember correctly, we were all pretty shocked at the line-up. No Rooney who played the 1st leg and had just played a very good game against Norwich, and Giggs in who wasn't playing that often that season. Nani's inclusion was a surprise, too.Yea i remember hi starting to breeze past multiple players again. It was some real immortal jellyfish shit
Absolutely disgusting behaviour, that's for sure, and totally unacceptable. That said, yes, that is (to be at least) not as serious an offence as domestic assault and coercive and controlling behaviour. Also, Giggs court case was ongoing while the hall of fame thing was kicking off whereas Terry's resolved case (in which he was found not guilty, whatever we believe about that) was a way in the past.No just calling someone a black c..t
And not being an accusation either
Agreed.If i found out one of my heroes were racist like John Terry definitely is then they wouldn't be my hero anymore.
I wasn't referencing the hall of fame thing..Absolutely disgusting behaviour, that's for sure, and totally unacceptable. That said, yes, that is (to be at least) not as serious an offence as domestic assault and coercive and controlling behaviour. Also, Giggs court case was ongoing while the hall of fame thing was kicking off whereas Terry's resolved case (in which he was found not guilty, whatever we believe about that) was a way in the past.
Was Terry going through an assault case when he got inducted? No. There’s your answer.Either the off pitch stuff matters or it doesn’t. If it does then why is John Terry in there?
Well that's what was being discussed so I don't know what you were talking about.I wasn't referencing the hall of fame thing..
Giggs was accused of abuse it wasn't proven. Also who decides whether controlling behaviour is worse than racism? You?
Just a bit of casual racial abuse against his teammates brother, after shagging his other teammates wife. Nothing to see here, right?You can see that there are levels of 'off the pitch stuff', right? John Terry is a shit but to my knowledge he was never accused of headbutting his girlfriend or shagging his brother's wife.
Sigh...that's not what I'm saying. The question was asked as to why Terry was inducted while Giggs wasn't. I answered it. It's quite simple. It doesn't mean I think Terry should have been inducted himself and it doesn't mean that I'm minimizing what he allegedly did.Just a bit of casual racial abuse against his teammates brother, after shagging his other teammates wife. Nothing to see here, right?
You said there’s levels to this stuff, implying that calling someone a “black cnut” isn’t the same as what Giggs was alleged to have done.Sigh...that's not what I'm saying. The question was asked as to why Terry was inducted while Giggs wasn't. I answered it. It's quite simple. It doesn't mean I think Terry should have been inducted himself and it doesn't mean that I'm minimizing what he allegedly did.
Yes, what's your point? It's clearly not the same.You said there’s levels to this stuff, implying that calling someone a “black cnut” isn’t the same as what Giggs was alleged to have done.
OK fine. But you're talking like he definitely did all these things. Look you cant separate thats fine, he'll be a legend to me until he isn't and hope that day doesn't come. Because it means no one was hurt etc and I keep that sporting God like image. Don't care about granny shagging, betting, adultery or anything else these immature men get involved with.Well that's what was being discussed so I don't know what you were talking about.
And I didn't frame myself as the final word on which offense is worse (in fact I said 'to me at least', though typoed). Plus it wasn't just controlling behaviour, was it. He was accused of headbutting her and threatening her as well.
Thats interesting, you say allegedly when talking about John Terry but not Giggs. When Giggs was alleged and Terry was proven. We all saw the videoSigh...that's not what I'm saying. The question was asked as to why Terry was inducted while Giggs wasn't. I answered it. It's quite simple. It doesn't mean I think Terry should have been inducted himself and it doesn't mean that I'm minimizing what he allegedly did.
Sorry but the fact that he wasn't convicted doesn't mean nobody was hurt. It means the alleged victim refused to testify.OK fine. But you're talking like he definitely did all these things. Look you cant separate thats fine, he'll be a legend to me until he isn't and hope that day doesn't come. Because it means no one was hurt etc and I keep that sporting God like image. Don't care about granny shagging, betting, adultery or anything else these immature men get involved with.
I literally just said alleged victim. Stop looking for things to be outraged by.Thats interesting, you say allegedly when talking about John Terry but not Giggs. When Giggs was alleged and Terry was proven. We all saw the video
