You said that after my message. Nice attempt at backtracking
What next for Ryan Giggs?
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Hopefully you just forgot about the Terry racism thing..
So it's guilty until proven innocent. I dont think there's much evidence for it although I could be wrong
I was writing it as you wrote yours. Stop looking for things to be outraged by.
Where did I say he's guilty?
Racist abuse is fine but allegedly hitting someone isn’t. Not where I’d draw the line personally, but ok.
With Adams it'd be about public contrition. I remember Adams being vocal about his issues, as many footballers were in the 1990s. He also became a patron of various abuse charities and such.
With Giggs, there is not so much as that. No addiction, like George Best, to explain, not excuse, his actions.
Taking injunctions out to protect his public image, conducting affairs with a sibling's wife and later in court for assault. His behaviour makes people uncomfortable.
Personally, I'd remove Terry from the hall of fame and keep Giggs out, also.
I'd not run a hall of fame, anyway, but two wrongs do not make a right.
I think you don’t have to like or overly celebrate Giggs in the hall of fame but it makes a mockery of the whole thing for him not to be there, he was Mr Premier League and based on playing history should have been the first one in and on his own.
This is it. If you’re going to admit people through the lens of their private life, then it isn’t a premier league hall of fame - it’s a popularity contest and the whole thing falls down. Either do it right or don’t bother with it.
Forget whats happened off the pitch, his playing career should be be concentrated on and its a career not many players Will ever have the chance to reproduce
666 League appearances… Giggsy truly is a Red Devil
666 League appearances… Giggsy truly is a Red Devil
Giggs is the PL most decorated player, but I wonder why he still hasn't been inducted into the league hall of fame. Since hes found not guilty in court, I expect him to return to football in some capacity whether as a manager pundit.
Who said this?
You said John terry being in the hall of fame is ok while Ryan Giggs should be excluded because there’s levels to this stuff.
Please take the time to read what I've said before posting...
Any thoughts on his opinions in the interview with Rio, snippets of which keep popping up on social media?
Both found not guilty in court but everyone still thinks both are guilty.
There are two sides to every story, and while I don’t like commenting on Ryan’s personal story I think some context is needed to explain the facts.
Rohdri had not talked to his dad for 20 years. Ryan only spoke to his Dad once in that time. His dad bumped him into him in a pub and asked Ryan to buy him a beer. He later sold that story to the sun and tried to make Ryan look bad. I think it was the story which went. "I have cancer and my son hasn't called yet to see if I'm ok. He doesn't actually know because I don't see him but he should".
His dad used to beat his Mum. They've never had a relationship and I believe Ryan sees Ferguson as the closest thing to a father he has. Rhodri was in jail for two years as well. It's a struggling family. His dad’s scum.
Rohdri had not talked to his dad for 20 years. Ryan only spoke to his Dad once in that time. His dad bumped him into him in a pub and asked Ryan to buy him a beer. He later sold that story to the sun and tried to make Ryan look bad. I think it was the story which went. "I have cancer and my son hasn't called yet to see if I'm ok. He doesn't actually know because I don't see him but he should".
His dad used to beat his Mum. They've never had a relationship and I believe Ryan sees Ferguson as the closest thing to a father he has. Rhodri was in jail for two years as well. It's a struggling family. His dad’s scum.
You said what Terry did wasn't as bad as Giggs
Almost every absolute bellend has absolute bellends as fathers and/or mothers. It's how they are made more often than not.
The difference is though John terry was caught on camera doing it.
you contradict yourself with each post
Because it was his own brother's wife! How is this even a question??
I strongly disagree with that assertion and I am genuinely surprised you would make such a claim in all seriousness.
Really? Almost every utter twat I know has at least one shitty parent. People are not born arseholes most of the time, they're made.
We're talking about John Terry in this thread as well, take a look into his family. Or Joey Barton.
Well yes that’s my point in around about way. I still think we should be concentrating on Ryan the player not the person. His Dad is a wrong un and I can't believe anyone would listen to what he has to say regarding Giggs. Then again it dovetails nicely into that circle jerk of self righteousness that goes along with the media and Giggs' affair, so it's no real surprise.
Honestly I'm not surprised at this point. The Caf is a melting pot of all sorts of mindsets and characters who are bound by the simple fact that we all associate with Manchester United.
Why? It's well known childhood environment effects how a person grows up. It's certainly a big factor
I mean, yeah?
One was accused of racial abuse, the other was accused of two counts of assault against women and coercive and controlling behaviour.
Assuming both were guilty, the latter is worse. As the sentences both would have faced if found guilty make clear.
Please show me where.
I said that there are levels of seriousness and I said that, personally, I think that headbutting your girlfriend, threatening her and coercively controlling her is a more serious offence than calling someone a 'black c*nt'. That is absolutely NOT to minimize the other offence - racist abuse is completely unacceptable, disgusting and should never be tolerated or excused in any context. I have never suggested otherwise.
I dont assume giggs is guilty thats stupid to just assume it to be true without evidence. John Terry is on tape committing the act. Surely you can see the difference.
Agreed. At the end of the day and for the most part, people can make a choice not to be one and break the cycle. They hold their childhood up as an excuse to hide behind.
While I cant speak to Terry or Barton families specifically, my own observations suggest the opposite dynamic is equally common. I have encountered many ill mannered individuals who came from kind and gentle families and on the other hand many upstanding individuals who were raised by difficult parents. So, I completely reject the notion that children inevitably become “utter twat” as you put it simply because their parents were. Its actually an unfair assumption that also dismisses the efforts of good parents whose children made poor choices.
It's interesting who football fans decide to ostracize and who they will look the other way on. This isn't a defence of Giggs as I too soured on him, it's just curious how someone like George Best remains largely celebrated in footballing circles despite being guilty of far worse than Giggs.
I don’t disagree with your point, but this hasn’t been my experience in the society I grew up in. Every person others might call ‘bellend or twat’ actually came from a privileged and stable family background. Many of my friends who grew up in toxic home environments have all become successful and well mannered adults.
Ryan Giggs is celebrated in football circles,
It is the off field stuff that has soured the reputation and the same would be of Best.
Some of the younger fans are just not aware of what Best got up to.
I didn't say all kids of utter twats inevitably become utter twats. I said most utter twats have one or two utter twats for parents. Plenty of people have crappy childhoods and aren't arseholes but most arseholes had crappy childhoods. Most, not all.
I can't believe you think it's "equally common" for bad parents to raise good kids. That's saying that parenting has zero impact.
Does Rio ask him about any of the legal issues?
I had to laugh when listening to Football Weekly last week. They were talking about modern pundits, and how they dislike Rio. They pointed to an episode of Rio's podcast where he was interviewing Robbie Keane, and it's the only time Keane has ever gave a good answer on his decision to stay coaching in Israel.
I didn't listen to it, but they said Keane gave a good answer about how he had hired people who uprooted their family to move over there with him and he didn't want to let them down etc. Jonathan Wilson said it was just begging for a follow-up question or two and it was really an interesting subject that Keane was opening up on. After he gave that answer, Rio's next question was...
"Are you a suit or tracksuit kind of manager?"
I had to laugh when listening to Football Weekly last week. They were talking about modern pundits, and how they dislike Rio. They pointed to an episode of Rio's podcast where he was interviewing Robbie Keane, and it's the only time Keane has ever gave a good answer on his decision to stay coaching in Israel.
I didn't listen to it, but they said Keane gave a good answer about how he had hired people who uprooted their family to move over there with him and he didn't want to let them down etc. Jonathan Wilson said it was just begging for a follow-up question or two and it was really an interesting subject that Keane was opening up on. After he gave that answer, Rio's next question was...
"Are you a suit or tracksuit kind of manager?"
I thought "Grealish was a United player" was an interesting thing to say - I felt the same when he went to City. He had that desire for the ball, bravery, chest out.
Some great insights, used to be my favourite player by a country mile... Shame he's a prize bell.
I am not suggesting parenting has no impact and although I dont know if there are studies on this subject, my opinion is rooted in my own experience. Take my family. We are 12 siblings of 7 brothers and 5 sisters raised by the same parents. My father wasnt a bad person but he struggled with addiction. He never came home sober, smoked openly around us and loves gambling. We lived in rental homes, constantly moving due to financial instability and attended free government schools. My mother who is a housewife depended entirely on his income. As you can imagine, daily arguments were our normal. Yet every one of us became educated and successful. 10 of 12 of us are now married with families of our own and 4 of us became medical doctors. None of us inherited our father habit of drinking, smoking or gambling. We since bought our mom a house and she now travels freely to canada, US and germany to visit her kids and grand kids. I credit for who we become mainly to our mom influence but equally to our community the church and neighborhood that shaped us. Many of my friends from similar backgrounds share similar stories. Perhaps western societies is different but this was our reality.
Its a small sample size to be honest. I dont disagree with your overarching point however