What is Luis Suarez worth?

£70m for Suarez. Madrid have gone crazy. There is no way Liverpool don't accept that.
 
And it's spot on. Madrid pretty much always get their man. Suarez will turn 28 this coming season and he'll want to win stuff at his peak. Having said that, if madrid don't go for him, I see him staying.
But it's stated with an element if wishful thinking. If you only read RedCaf you'd be thinking that Suarez was leaving for 18 months. The whole discussion is framed around a certainty that he will leave, as of there's a guarantee about it.
 
But it's stated with an element if wishful thinking. If you only read RedCaf you'd be thinking that Suarez was leaving for 18 months. The whole discussion is framed around a certainty that he will leave, as of there's a guarantee about it.
Two points:

1. Suarez is a top player who probably has only a few prime years in the tank to go and hasn't won any major trophies in club football and is currently at a club that hasn't regularly challenge for the top honors. So there's always going to be speculation about his future.

2. Madrid always get the player they want. And there have been some mermers of them being interested in him. And they're always after the top players.

The combination of the 2nd point about Madrid's possible interest and the 1st means that there's always a feeling he might go there or even elsewhere to win big trophies.

Obviously as a United fan, you would want him leaving Liverpool given they'd be instantly weaker without him, and the fact that he behaves so pathetically on the football pitch, but it's not like it's some sort of crazy pipe dream based on very wishful thinking. There are a lot of factors in favor of Suarez leaving.
 
Suárez played out wide in a 433 a good few times towards the end of this year which outlines his selflessness and mobility and he always drops off into pockets of space anyway. He is more selfish than Benzema but he's got more quality as well, so ultimately he'll provide more for his team as well as producing more individually. Plus he adds a bit of bite, tenacity and workrate to an attack which is short on that.

I'd say it's a complete and utter waste to play someone like Isco so far forward as a "false 9" because it's a waste of a forward position on someone who possesses so little goal threat. How many successful "false nines" are there? It's very fashionable to talk about them but realistically only very special players have made it work. It was first tried out by Hungary back in the 50s and yes part of the reason it bamboozled England and worked so well was because it created space for the "false nine" - Hidegkuti - to work his creative magic, but he wouldn't have been played there to begin with if he didn't possess a goal threat. He had a 1 in 2 goal record at international level. Similarly when Spalletti brought it back into the modern game it was to help maximise Totti's creative influence on the game, but he still possesses a terrific goal threat. Then of course there's Messi. The likes of Gotze and Silva have been tried there as makeshift fixes in international squads because of inferior forwards, but when you possess the means that a club like Madrid have then you'll never be forced to go for any such makeshift fix. As of yet neither of those two (or Fábgreas) have excelled in the role either.

Good post. A lot of people think that any number 10 can play as a false 9 as well. Never agreed it with it personally. False 9 remains one of the most difficult positions to adapt to for any player IMO.
 
Suárez played out wide in a 433 a good few times towards the end of this year which outlines his selflessness and mobility and he always drops off into pockets of space anyway. He is more selfish than Benzema but he's got more quality as well, so ultimately he'll provide more for his team as well as producing more individually. Plus he adds a bit of bite, tenacity and workrate to an attack which is short on that.

I'd say it's a complete and utter waste to play someone like Isco so far forward as a "false 9" because it's a waste of a forward position on someone who possesses so little goal threat. How many successful "false nines" are there? It's very fashionable to talk about them but realistically only very special players have made it work. It was first tried out by Hungary back in the 50s and yes part of the reason it bamboozled England and worked so well was because it created space for the "false nine" - Hidegkuti - to work his creative magic, but he wouldn't have been played there to begin with if he didn't possess a goal threat. He had a 1 in 2 goal record at international level. Similarly when Spalletti brought it back into the modern game it was to help maximise Totti's creative influence on the game, but he still possesses a terrific goal threat. Then of course there's Messi. The likes of Gotze and Silva have been tried there as makeshift fixes in international squads because of inferior forwards, but when you possess the means that a club like Madrid have then you'll never be forced to go for any such makeshift fix. As of yet neither of those two (or Fábgreas) have excelled in the role either.
I think Hidegkuti got a lot more fame due to the WC exploits and then decimating England but I read a while back that the "withdrawn forward" where the center forward drops deep out of nowhere and becomes a playmaker was tried pre WW2 in Austria and possibly Sindelar was the first false 9. It was known as the Danubian School.

Here's a short read on it.

http://ademirtozizinho.blogspot.fr/2011/08/brief-history-of-tactics-danubian.html
 
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He's unbelievable. Half fit, a month after surgery and he comes back and does that.
Was surprised how well Vidal performed so soon after knee surgery too. I'm impressed how quickly they can play at this level so soon after surgery, as much as anything!
 
Genius.

His passion was fantastic.
 
In his current form he's the best player in the world. He's just so dangerous, so lively, so passionate and so talented. Not getting him when he was at Ajax is another mistake.
 
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But it's stated with an element if wishful thinking. If you only read RedCaf you'd be thinking that Suarez was leaving for 18 months. The whole discussion is framed around a certainty that he will leave, as of there's a guarantee about it.

Suarez has talked about the Primera Liga since he was in Holland and his agent is Pep's brother, the links have been there for a long time
 
Did I say £80million last summer? feck that!

Did I say £120million a month ago? feck that!

Its £150million now. Who wants to argue the point and wait for the price to go even higher. Come on then, lets be having you! :devil:
 
Stop speaking like you're the Liverpool chairman, you dozy cnut Dumbstar.

And after over a decade on here of making stupid statements that we've all dug up and laughed at in retrospect, you still haven't learned, have you?
 
Stop speaking like you're the Liverpool chairman, you dozy cnut Dumbstar.

And after over a decade on here of making stupid statements that we've all dug up and laughed at in retrospect, you still haven't learned, have you?

The laughing hasn't stopped. For over a year of me "overpricing" him and you lot laughing as usual seems like you need to do some learning yourself.
 
Does that make Liverpool winners of the 'we sold our best player but got a load of money' trophy? I suppose its the only silverwhere Stevie G's ever going to see.
 
Anybody else remember when he was at Ajax and people were saying he was just another Eredivisie Afonso Alves who wouldnt make it in the premier league?
 
All he had to do is wait for English players to make their usual mistakes.

It definitely wasn't his 100% performance show.
 
Did I say £80million last summer? feck that!

Did I say £120million a month ago? feck that!

Its £150million now. Who wants to argue the point and wait for the price to go even higher. Come on then, lets be having you! :devil:

Stop using our Devil. :lol: