What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

JE-365 said:
CB: Huijsen - £50m release clause.

Midfield: Baleba
Alternative or Less expensive option: ???

Wingback: Quenda

Striker: Osimhen
Alternative or Less expensive option: Delap
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Hugo Larsson - Plays in a midfield 2 for Frankfurt, 20 Year of age plenty of room to develop and 6ft 2 giving us well needed height - Only issue 4 years left on his deal.

I do really like Angelo Stiller but question marks over his ability to play in that midfield 2.
 
Think we need one or two WBs, a CB, two CMs, an AM and a striker. Not sure how we get all that done.

I really want Quenda and he could play on the left or the right but resources will be limited. I think Doughty would be excellent value at LWB but RWB is more pressing. In an ideal world, we get both but can’t see that happening with limited funds. I’d even consider selling Dalot. Should be good for PSR and while I like Dalot a lot, I don’t think he’s ideally suited for wing back vs a back four.

Huijsen seems the obvious pick at CB but that’s 50m and will have a lot of competition. If Heaven or Kukonki aren’t ready to step up, we’re going to need a big investment there.

I don’t see much value available at CM except for Fernandes at Southampton when they get relegated. Think we need two CMs and the other player needs to be an energetic fella. Ederson seems the obvious pick but wouldn’t be cheap.

Cunha seems the obvious choice for AM. Again, that’s another 60m. Would also take a flyer on Cherki. Talent is immense and he would be much cheaper.

Striker is going to cost striker money.

In sum, I think we’re kind of fecked unless we can pull off some good sales (Rashford first and foremost) and offload some players like Casemiro.
 
Borussia Teeth said:
We're not getting any money for Maguire in his last year at the age of 32, on £200k pw. We're also not getting any money for a constantly injured Luke Shaw on £150k pw.

I do like your list of incomings. Never gonna happen though
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Maguire will respect us if we ask him to leave, I am sure of that, if he can find a decent team like West Ham were he can get a 2+1 year contract and he knows that his contract will be around 100k there but it adds up for the same money if he gets 2 more years there. If he stays here until the year he turns 34, and comes from a season where he doesnt play as good as this one or doesnt play at all if bring in 1-2 more CBs, Yoro takes more steps in the right direction, De Ligt finds his role, Heaven will only get better and we will have Martinez back at the end of the year probably.

I think that he understands that this summer might be his last chance to get a decent contract somewhere else, both when it comes to how long the contract will be and much they will pay him - so him already being close to being sold last year for €30-35m when he came from a bad season should prove to teams that he is not done as player but just didnt suit our aggressive 4-3-3 because of the lack of pace and that he can be good player for a team like West Ham who doesnt press as high as Amorin wants to. I am sure that we can get at least €25m for him if he agrees on a resonable salary with his new club.

If Shaw come back for the last months, and stays fit, I am sure that €5m would not be a problem for team to pay for his service. But even if not, our transfer budget wont depend on the €5m - I hope haha.
 
Tallis said:
Good effort. My only value-add is that we could probably live with one new CB signing but should sign another forward alongside Cunha. Perhaps, a left footed one as backup or alternative to Amad.

And you can add Mainoo to the options for CM.
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Yes i forgot to mention Mainoo for CM option and Mount for AMF - but there on the list now.

When it comes to CBs, i believe that we need 2, because we use 3 every game and play like 55-65 games HOPEFULLY every season and having quality rotation might be the biggest different for our players to stay fit, in form and not picking up small injuries that comes with playing way too much.

If we brought in Cunha, and keep Höjlund (while Zirkzee also can play on that postion and we have at least 1 upcoming from the youth teams in Obi next year) I have feeling that it will be enough. Amorin is not the biggest fan of rotating his striker from what I have seen from watching back on last season he was the coach for Sporting when he played Gykerös in 90%+ of the games - so if we can get Cunha to work, i believe that he will play in all games when he is fit and healthy and when not, we have Höjlund to cover up and give him one more season to show us that he is something we can count on for the future and also Obi should get some chances in the cup.

The reason I didnt add another rotating player for Amad is because Quenda can play and has play a lot in that position (and he is left-footed) and to be honest, there are not many options out there besides maybe Hugo Larsson, who would fit our system perfectly, but reports say that his team value him at €80-90m.
I would rather bring in one extra CM besides Douglas Luiz IF we decide to bring in only one CB.
 
Huijsen, Quenda, Larsson and Delap - all around 50m so 200m total. Will improve our physical ceiling significantly. Delap is the biggest risk but 10 PL goals for Ipswich at 21/22 is no joke and the guy has the mentality to make it.

I think we can do all this without selling Mainoo and/or Garnacho with the sales of Rashford, hopefully Antony, Casemiro, Eriksen (free), Lindelof (free), Malacia, Bayindir, Sancho, Zirkzee and maybe a few young players on the fringes like Gore, Wheatley etc.

If there’s any extra cash, I’d like to see a left footed AM like Mastantuono, Rigg or someone in that sort of age range. Hopefully Vitek or Harrison can compete with Onana.

Mount and Shaw will be hard to sell and could still offer something. If releasing them (more likely Shaw) is less expensive than letting them see out their contracts, maybe that could be considered.

Either promote some of the better youngsters or get them good loans.
 
MCDC said:
Hugo Larsson - Plays in a midfield 2 for Frankfurt, 20 Year of age plenty of room to develop and 6ft 2 giving us well needed height - Only issue 4 years left on his deal.

I do really like Angelo Stiller but question marks over his ability to play in that midfield 2.
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Stiller plays in a midfield two for Stuttgart.

SWE-Chucky said:
Yes i forgot to mention Mainoo for CM option and Mount for AMF - but there on the list now.

When it comes to CBs, i believe that we need 2, because we use 3 every game and play like 55-65 games HOPEFULLY every season and having quality rotation might be the biggest different for our players to stay fit, in form and not picking up small injuries that comes with playing way too much.

If we brought in Cunha, and keep Höjlund (while Zirkzee also can play on that postion and we have at least 1 upcoming from the youth teams in Obi next year) I have feeling that it will be enough. Amorin is not the biggest fan of rotating his striker from what I have seen from watching back on last season he was the coach for Sporting when he played Gykerös in 90%+ of the games - so if we can get Cunha to work, i believe that he will play in all games when he is fit and healthy and when not, we have Höjlund to cover up and give him one more season to show us that he is something we can count on for the future and also Obi should get some chances in the cup.

The reason I didnt add another rotating player for Amad is because Quenda can play and has play a lot in that position (and he is left-footed) and to be honest, there are not many options out there besides maybe Hugo Larsson, who would fit our system perfectly, but reports say that his team value him at €80-90m.
I would rather bring in one extra CM besides Douglas Luiz IF we decide to bring in only one CB.
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Cunha is not a striker, that left 10 position is perfect for him. The change of position from former to latter is what seen his performances skyrocket at Wolves, and I would imagine that being played right up front is what seen him move around plenty and underwhelming in his earlier career.
 
ST - Think Delap is a good shout. Plays a lot like a younger Gyokeres so should suit Amorims system. Him performing in the PL is also a big plus. Ideally we’d be getting a world class striker with Gyokeres and Osimhen seemingly fitting that description but not sure the money is there. Also not convinced on Osimhen and find he can be clumsy on the ball, while Gyokeres reportedly wants CL football.

Left 10 - Cunha should be top of the list here. Proven in the pl, already plays the same role for wolves and a good goalscorer, which we need a lot more of in this team. Another option is Lookman who would likely be cheaper and also fits the bill of being familiar with role and being a goalscorer

Wingback - Quenda seems like our first choice here and I pretty much agree with this. Amads performances in the wingback role shows how important the position is for creating chances in this system so we really need to stack up on quality there

CM - I think Amorim likes one of his midfielders to support the attack like we see with Bruno or Mainoo when they play midfield. Problem with these two players is how easily they can be bypassed . A CM that can both contribute in attack and defense is ideal here. Think Jobe Bellingham is not only good in attack but is surprisingly combative when it comes to defense. Reminds me of Camavinga in that sense and would fit the role

LCB - Last on the list of priorities for me. And doubt we’d still have money to spend after the above signings but would take Lucumi here. Elite on the ball and should be able to fill the creative void Licha leaves when he’s out injured

Delap - 40m
Cunha- 60m
Quenda- 45m
Jobe - 25m
Lucumi- 15m

Total - 185m




Delap
Cunha Fernandes
Dorgu Jobe Ugarte Amad
Lucumi De Ligt Mazraoui
Onana

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sherrinford said:
Stiller plays in a midfield two for Stuttgart.


Cunha is not a striker, that left 10 position is perfect for him. The change of position from former to latter is what seen his performances skyrocket at Wolves, and I would imagine that being played right up front is what seen him move around plenty and underwhelming in his earlier career.
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I agree totally but i try to fit him in to the system and not get rid of Bruno somehow even though if that might be what would be the best for team if we got Cunha - I also have a feeling after reading today more about him and his situation in Wolves that he might aim for a more, at the moment, more attractive club.

Also, his best position is not a striker, you are correct, but not even as a second striker - he produces by far most when they use him in a position where we used to use Bruno when he first arrived and give him the freedom to move how he wants in the space between the opponents back line and their midfield.

The first matches, 1-8, he played;
3 games a "SS (second striker") and scored 1 goal,
2 as CF (central forward) and scored 0 goals,
1 as RW (right wing) and scored 0 goals,
2 games as LW (left winger) and scored 2 goals actually.

From match 9 and 19 he played all games in that position - as AM and scored 7 goals and assisted to 4.

Match 20, he was suspended.
Match 21 - CF = 0 goals.
Match 22 - SS = 0 goals.
Match 23-25 - AF again and scored 2 goals

He has played other games, 1 as SS and scored 0 & 1 as AF and guess what..scored again.

So you are correct, if we want sign a STRIKER - it should not be Cunha. Not saying that we should not sign at all, but then its for one of the 2 positions behind the striker and there we have Bruno, Amad, Zirkzee and Mount (hopefully) next season already so the question is if either sell Bruno? Zirkzee? Bruno wont leave, thats for sure and so wont either Amad (because he is untouchable) nor will inte be Mount (no one would will pay for him near a fraction of what we did or cover his salary). So that would be mean Zirkzee, who just joined for €40 but has probably lost half his value already and Cunha price tag in Euros is closer to 75-80m, so we would need to add €60m on top of selling Zirkzee.

As more time I put in on this transfer, the more I cant see it happened of many reasons, some of them mentioned above. He is a great player and would be great for us and fit the system if we had a striker that could score - but.. Reality is something else right now.
 
In order of preference and assuming Amorim stays:

GK: Lammens, Atubolu
RCB: Tomás Araújo, Diomande
LCB: Hincapié, Huijsen, Guéhi, Koulierakis, Otávio, Zézé, Hato, Inácio, Lukeba, Branthwaite, Medina
RWB: Quenda
LWB: Brown
CM/DM: L. Camara, Essugo, M. Fernandes, Bouaddi, Mukau, Palacios, Éderson, Stiller
AM/#10: Paz, Cunha, Xavi Simons, Dorgeles, Yıldız, Baturina
FW: Samu Aghehowa, David, Gyökeres, Osimhen, Emegha, Guessand, Šeško, Ilenikhena

Potential homegrown players we should look at: Chris Rigg, Jobe Bellingham, Romaine Mundle, Shea Charles, CJ Egan-Riley, David Ozoh

Obviously most of this depends on how bad our finances actually are and how successful we are moving on players that aren't wanted anymore. Lammens is mostly there, because we have been linked and his stats look promising. In general there are a few players here that I haven't seen enough of, mainly the homegrown players from the Championship, as well as, Atubolu, Zézé, Mukau, Bouaddi, Dorgeles, Baturina and Ilenikhena. Priority should be 2 attacking players and 2 central midfielders. I don't really see a standout goalkeeper to replace Onana, hence why a young goalkeeper as competition and a #2 seems like the best bet. Araújo and Diomande are mostly there, because I think they are excellent and I'd love us to sign them, we need a CB that's comfortable on the left more though. All of Hincapié, Huijsen, Inácio, Lukeba and Branthwaite would probably be too expensive, hence why someone like Koulierakis might be sensible. It's doubtful that we manage to sign either Gyökeres or Osimhen, given the other clubs that need a striker, which is why David on a free makes a lot of sense. If we manage to move on Rashford, Mount and Shaw eventually, then we'll need players that help with the homegrown quota.
 
SWE-Chucky said:
If we brought in Cunha, and keep Höjlund (while Zirkzee also can play on that postion and we have at least 1 upcoming from the youth teams in Obi next year) I have feeling that it will be enough. Amorin is not the biggest fan of rotating his striker from what I have seen from watching back on last season he was the coach for Sporting when he played Gykerös in 90%+ of the games - so if we can get Cunha to work, i believe that he will play in all games when he is fit and healthy and when not, we have Höjlund to cover up and give him one more season to show us that he is something we can count on for the future and also Obi should get some chances in the cup.
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Cunha is a 10. We’ve got plenty of ‘em.
We need a proper number 9.

Oshimhen, Gyökeres, Delap, or my new favorite Brian Mbuemo. He’s on 15G and 3A in 25 PL games. 25 years old and market value of €50M. Contract expires 2026 with 1 year option to extend, so they’ll be willing to sell him this summer
 
To come in...

Sancho 25m, agreed as mandatory purchase
Greenwood 25m+ as negotiated sell-on clause (seems only a question of who he will sign for, not if)
Rashford, Antony, Malacia - all possibilities at this stage, hopefully, their loan spells result in strong interest and bids (reported option of 40m for Rashford would be nice)

The above could well be realised and would give United over 100 million to spend. Add to that, a questionable in the eyes of some but quite likely sale of Mainoo, Garnacho or even both.

The likes of Casemiro, Shaw, Mount, Martinez and Onana all need replacing but they will not be easy to move out due to lingering injury issues, terrible contracts and poor form.

The team needs a new spine - GK (unless they blood Harrison / Vítek), CB, M, AM & ST

That will probably cost around 200-250 million, which they could put together IF (and it is a big IF), those deals above are made to work.
 
Taken out back and shot, that’s what we need , something drastic and all changing.
No signing will change this, depressing but unfortunately true
 
Kinsella said:
What are people’s thoughts on Nathan Collins as a centre back option?
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On the one hand, I’m Irish and would love to see an Irish player at United. On the other, I’m Irish and have seen him play, largely terribly, for the national team over the last couple of years. I like him but I don’t think he’s at the level we need and I’d be surprised if he gets there.
 
Kinsella said:
What are people’s thoughts on Nathan Collins as a centre back option?
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Another Irishman here. Genuinely thought he had world class potential in him as he looked good as a youngster, but it's rose tinted glasses probably as hes Irish. Truthfully he's a good player who has been incredibly inconsistent. He's probably at best a mid table/Europa league player. Which admittedly could be us for a while but with the amount of money he would cost, not sure he be worth it.
 
Kinsella said:
What are people’s thoughts on Nathan Collins as a centre back option?
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Really don't want to relive the Harry Maguire career arc with an Irish player. He's great in the air and a box defender but so calamity prone. Would hate to see our fans turn on him.
 
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