What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

PlasticRed said:
Gyokeres and Cunha would make a difference. Osimhen even better. Ederson, yes. Not convinced on Quenda to make an impact this soon.
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These would be stunning acquisitions in addtion to a box to box CM engine alongside Ugarte.
 
croadyman said:
Completely agree, just our luck our only alternative to INEOS was that fake sheikh
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People don't see success until it stares them in the face.

Fergie had 3 years without a trophy. He had to turn the club around kick out the drinking culture, some bad eggs and really build the foundations.

We've had 11 years of rot, and we have new owners. INEOS have already started to talk to the government about regeneration, a new stadium, revamped parts of Carrington and cut costs.

People don't see progress yet, we have a very promising coach that a little like Fergie won't change, that's kicking out the bad eggs with the systemic problems.

Rashford had downed tools completely. We are signing young hungry players, building a good academy and navigating PSR to get the club sustainable to clear debts, build one of the greatest stadiums in the world and compete again.

INEOS have made the hard calls right, judge in the summer but I have faith in Ruben and the board. People wont see it for a while, it'll take time.
 
TheNewEra said:
Ederson Quenda and Gyokeres would be my dream 3 this year.

Cunha although great we have 4 in those slots already: Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Amad.

You could also argue that Zirkzee could go in one of those slots.

A RWB is the first signing we need in the summer since without top wing backs the system will just fail, I hope we have Quenda already through the door in the first week of the summer.
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I see Amad as a RWB more than a right #10. He plays better out wide.

Also isnt Dorgu more of a utility man, who's arguably better on the right?

I definity want a starting top class LWB over a Quenda. We have Amad on the right, with Dalot and Dorgu as backups. We need a world class LWB.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I see Amad as a RWB more than a right #10. He plays better out wide.

Also isnt Dorgu more of a utility man, who's arguably better on the right?

I definity want a starting top class LWB over a Quenda. We have Amad on the right, with Dalot and Dorgu as backups. We need a world class LWB.
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There's surely not many who's seen enough of Dorgu to know. I would guess at him being brought in primarily for the left, and struggle to see us spending more on that side. Hopefully he's good as there was/ is quite a few quality options going about.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I see Amad as a RWB more than a right #10. He plays better out wide.

Also isnt Dorgu more of a utility man, who's arguably better on the right?

I definity want a starting top class LWB over a Quenda. We have Amad on the right, with Dalot and Dorgu as backups. We need a world class LWB.
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Dorgu played on the right because he played RW half the time for Lecce as they've been struggling for goals and he is one of their better creative players. But also played half the games at LB, which is where he started.

I would be surprised if his long-term position under Amorim is anywhere but LWB, but he could cover the right-hand side as well I'm sure (especially as Amorim has shown a propensity to use left-footed players here like Amad and Quenda.
 
Difficult transfer window once again.....

Heaton (39), Lindelof (30), Evans (37) and Eriksen (33) has contract expiring and would most likely leave the club.

Martinez (27), Shaw (29) and Mount (26) are all good players but given significant injury history difficult to trust

Casemiro (33), Hojlund (22) and Zirkzee (24) are sadly not goot enough to start games for US.

So, a lot of players to upgrade on / replace in the squad... I hate to say it (as we do this every single year) this is not a one window change..
 
Realistically, do you think we'll go for a new goalkeeper this summer considering problems we have on other positions and the money that needs to be invested on those positions or we'll just roll with Onana for another season?
 
I’m not sure about £325m
I’m guessing ;
LCB - Dean Huijsen he cost £12m still only 19 but PL proven (€50m/£42M)
RWB - Quenda is 18 in the summer however Benfica wanted £80m for Jao Neves was and PSG paid €60m, so I can see him being sold for (€54m/£45m)
CM - Ederson would be 26 in summer
(€65m/£54m max)
L10/SS - M Cunha we know his buy out clause is (€75m/£62m)
Victor Gykores has been told he has a gentleman’s agreement for - €75m/£62m)

These players are easily available at these prices which would be £265m or £53m per year on 5 year amortisation for PSR, Selling Garnaucho, Rashford before July 1st would give you potentially £90m net Profit as both are academy players and both sales would finally alleviate the the 3 year rolling issue of £105 of debt allowed.

The real problem however is the club would have to pay the £265m probably in 3 instalments at £89m per year and then need at least another £40m of Agent fees this summer to add to the £89m first instalment, United have become the Klarna of football transfer payments and I can’t even see where they find the £130m of working capital to facilitate these transfers plus at least another £850k of wages per week for 5 years, this would only happen if Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro, Lindelof and Eriksen all left ?

This, however is how a big club looking to restore itself to the top would act rather than creating silly PowerPoint presentations about Project 21 and Project 2028!
 
Highfather_24 said:
I see Amad as a RWB more than a right #10. He plays better out wide.

Also isnt Dorgu more of a utility man, who's arguably better on the right?

I definity want a starting top class LWB over a Quenda. We have Amad on the right, with Dalot and Dorgu as backups. We need a world class LWB.
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I like Amad at right wing-back. However, we have been heavily linked with Quenda. Also, I'd much rather we sign Quenda, than another left wing-back. He seems to be a truly special player.

Fairly sure that Dorgu is viewed as a left sided player. It's a bonus if he can cover on the right too. I'm assuming that Leon will be his deputy/competition.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I see Amad as a RWB more than a right #10. He plays better out wide.

Also isnt Dorgu more of a utility man, who's arguably better on the right?

I definity want a starting top class LWB over a Quenda. We have Amad on the right, with Dalot and Dorgu as backups. We need a world class LWB.
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Don't think there's any way we're going for a LWB this summer. I think Dorgu was brought in specifically to solve that (otherwise it makes very little sense as a winter transfer), and in the age of PSR it makes no sense to spend so much if we're not even intending him to solve any particular problem.

Nah, he's our LWB solution at the moment. Let's buy young players and build the team up.
 
A window or two ago, the hottest midfield prospects around included Gabriel Moscardo, Federico Redondo and Gourna-Doath. Moscardo can’t seem to get a game at Reims, Redondo’s in the MLS and Gourna Doath hasn’t been playing for RB Salzburg and got a move to Roma for €18mn.

Anyone know what’s happened? Is there still value with these three for a punt now the spotlight has dimmed? Redondo’s stats look great but the other two don’t play enough. All three have excellent profiles for what we need if quality is there.
 
Highfather_24 said:
I see Amad as a RWB more than a right #10. He plays better out wide.

Also isnt Dorgu more of a utility man, who's arguably better on the right?

I definity want a starting top class LWB over a Quenda. We have Amad on the right, with Dalot and Dorgu as backups. We need a world class LWB.
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Seen this loads. People keep mixing their sides up. Quenda is a RWB.

Dorgu can play numerous positions including LWB
 
Pretty sure we won't buy Cunha for 62m, unless we sell Garnacho, which I hope we don't.

Also, spending more than 40m on Quenda makes no sense. He'd need time to adapt but we need a player who can upgrade us instantly. For that price, go for Frimpong/Bellanova.

The most important positions will be a backup CM and starting CF. That's where the expensive signings should be made.
 
aeh1991 said:
Pretty sure we won't buy Cunha for 62m, unless we sell Garnacho, which I hope we don't.

Also, spending more than 40m on Quenda makes no sense. He'd need time to adapt but we need a player who can upgrade us instantly. For that price, go for Frimpong/Bellanova.

The most important positions will be a backup CM and starting CF. That's where the expensive signings should be made.
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Agreed. I dont think we have the luxury of being able to sign a 17 year old for a starting berth with 50m right now.

Dumfries, Frimpong, Porro. Anyone that is experienced with a few years left in tank is going to be better. We should be able to pick up a decent wingback for 30m euros on the continent.

Spend the money on goal scorers, creatives and runners. ie the front 3.
 
Im quite sure Ruben will try to coach as much as possible Hojlund, Garnacho, Toby and Kobbie. They give him the ability to play different roles and variations of his system.

Also we will go for some free agents, like Gomes or David. If there is a chance Pogba is in good conditions, we will try him as well.

A trade with Juve including Luiz and Josh looks likely. So, the big money will go, in my opinion, for Gyokeres, Quenda and Dibbling.

Some experience and some youth, playing for the immediate improvement, but also on the foundations of a great team.
 
cirilus said:
Im quite sure Ruben will try to coach as much as possible Hojlund, Garnacho, Toby and Kobbie. They give him the ability to play different roles and variations of his system.

Also we will go for some free agents, like Gomes or David. If there is a chance Pogba is in good conditions, we will try him as well.

A trade with Juve including Luiz and Josh looks likely. So, the big money will go, in my opinion, for Gyokeres, Quenda and Dibbling.

Some experience and some youth, playing for the immediate improvement, but also on the foundations of a great team.
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Quenda and Dibbling would be daft signings at this stage in the cycle. Youd blow our budget and condem us to at least another 2 years of development/transition.

We need players in the 23-25 age group that are good to go, with some mileage left.
 
Two strikers that can actually cause some danger to the opposition, a creative CM who can also chip in with goals (a younger Eriksen basically), a new goalkeeper (Onana is brutal), a new CB (Martinez is turning into Phil Jones V2) and another wide man who can go past defenders and create/score. I'm aware this is super unrealistic for one summer but it's probably what we need.
 
PlasticRed said:
Quenda and Dibbling would be daft signings at this stage in the cycle. Youd blow our budget and condem us to at least another 2 years of development/transition.

We need players in the 23-25 age group that are good to go, with some mileage left.
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Dont disagree. But i said 11 names that, together with the Ruben trusted (Bruno, Amad, Mount, Yoro, Mazz, MDL, Dalot, Dorgu, Ugarte and Harry) fill up the team with a good combination of experience and youth, without spending more that 150 million. We will see.
 
ideal group would be....you bring in those 3 this summer and it makes the overall group much more solid. If you can bring in Cunha, he's shown at Wolves he can play that role or a younger kid like Dibbling.

The ideal striker would be Isak but Newcastle won't sell him

Gyokores
Amad Mainoo
Dorgu Ederson Ugarte Quenda
Yoro Maguire DeLigt
 
1. RWB
2. LWB
3. CM
4. AM
5. CF

(not in order of priority)

Mainly starters that can start or compete to start from day 1!

Mazraoui should play RCB, with Dalot acting as backup.

Dorgu is still to be evaluated. No matter what, we should move Shaw to LCB and add a more experienced LWB to compete with Dorgu (and support him).

CM is clear. With Eriksen out, and lack of impact from Casemiro, we need some quality in midfield.

AM is also obvious. We need to create more chances.

CF. An experienced player. Either Hojlund or Zirkzee to act reserve to the starting CF.



Mazraoui
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bosskeano said:
ideal group would be....you bring in those 3 this summer and it makes the overall group much more solid. If you can bring in Cunha, he's shown at Wolves he can play that role or a younger kid like Dibbling.

The ideal striker would be Isak but Newcastle won't sell him

Gyokores
Amad Mainoo
Dorgu Ederson Ugarte Quenda
Yoro Maguire DeLigt
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This team doesn't look competitive. Mainly because too many young players. As we've signed Dorgu for the left wing back position, we should sign someone more experienced for the right side than Quenda. And where's Bruno? We surely ain't dropping our most creative player. Gyokeres, a CM (aged 22-25) and Frimpong would be the ideal summer window. If we go for a teenager, I'd rather sign Sverre Nypan, who should be much cheaper, to compete for the no.10 spot.
 
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aeh1991 said:
This team doesn't look competitive. Mainly because too many young players. As we've signed Dorgu for the left wing back position, we should sign someone more experienced for the right side than Quenda. And where's Bruno? We surely ain't dropping our most creative player. Gyokeres, a CM (aged 22-25) and Frimpong would be the ideal summer window. If we go for a teenager, I'd rather sign Sverre Nypan, who should be much cheaper, to compete for the no.10 spot.
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i'd rather go with young, energetic youth players than overpaid twats like Rashford
 
bosskeano said:
i'd rather go with young, energetic youth players than overpaid twats like Rashford
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I never said we should sign them. Just not teenagers, but rather 22-25 year olds to build a team around. There needs to be a mix of experience, mid term solutions and future stars. And because we have so many great talents in the academy I personally don't feel the desire to get more. I'd rather see us competing for international places again.
 
Remember the geese said:
Yeah, something like that would be very nice. Keeper most likely needs addressing and probably a replacement for Martinez too.
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We don't need a new keeper honestly.

Once we get two good wingbacks and another combative midfielder, plus we retain the ball we won't be conceding 20 shots a game.

Look at Ederson at City as an example.
 
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TheNewEra said:
We don't need a new keeper honestly.

Once we get two good wingbacks and another combative midfielder, plus we retain the ball we won't be conceding 20 shots a game.

Look at Ederson at City as an example.
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Not convinced. We aren't conceding 20 shots a game anymore. That was very much a last season thing. Onana can be very good on his day, but his bad days are far too frequent and resembling that of Robert Sanchez. We'll need a replacement, whether it will be in the summer or not, I don't know.
 
Remember the geese said:
Not convinced. We aren't conceding 20 shots a game anymore. That was very much a last season thing. Onana can be very good on his day, but his bad days are far too frequent and resembling that of Robert Sanchez. We'll need a replacement, whether it will be in the summer or not, I don't know.
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One cheap solution could be to bring back Kovar who's played really well in the limited game time he got at Leverkusen. We have a buyback clause right?
 
Great way to build a team is to buy & bed in together a new spine - i.e. a GK, CB, CM & ST

Can it be done in one window? Possibly, IF they can work some magic and get shut of a few of those overpaid underperformers. Unfortunately, I think that a Garnacho or Mainoo might need to be sold to help the process as we see little or zero interest whatsoever in anybody taking Casemiro. If Antony and Marcus Rashford can show enough whilst out on loan, perhaps the coffers will swell beyond what is due from Sancho.

Gyökeres is way too good for the league he is in, he runs every defender ragged and I have little doubt he would fail in the PL. His movement, pace, strength, balance and finishing are at a level way beyond anything currently at United. Ruben Amorim knows him better than anyone, I just hope he makes it happen.

In the middle, I would say if money is available, Ederson. He might prove costly but he has what it takes and like Gyökeres, at 26 is in his prime years and should remain so for a nice four or five year span.

CB is looking promising for the future with the additions of Yoro and Heaven. Experience from Harry and de Ligt in the squad will help but the issue now, given his latest bad luck, is the Martinez injuries are starting to pile up. Personally, I like the look of another Sporting Lisbon player that Amorim knows all too well, Ousmane Diomande. He is comfortable on the ball, strong, fast and a good tackler. Furthermore, he is only 21. There is a reported release clause of around 70 million, which may well be a stumbling block.

Andrij Lunin looks a fine young keeper but he has recently extended his contract with Real Madrid. Given time, perhaps one of either Vitek or Harrison, the two talented prospects already at the club, could step into the role - if the defenders in front of them are up to the task, it might help!
 
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aeh1991 said:
This team doesn't look competitive. Mainly because too many young players. As we've signed Dorgu for the left wing back position, we should sign someone more experienced for the right side than Quenda. And where's Bruno? We surely ain't dropping our most creative player. Gyokeres, a CM (aged 22-25) and Frimpong would be the ideal summer window. If we go for a teenager, I'd rather sign Sverre Nypan, who should be much cheaper, to compete for the no.10 spot.
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I don’t think our lack of competitiveness is to do with our young players, yes they are normally more inconsistent but are Hojlund and Garnacho of the right quality?

Hojlund clearly can finish but can’t trap a bag of cement.

Garnacho has pace, can score a great goal but can’t dribble past his man, and his decision making is kids football.

We aren’t competing for 2 years anyway, by that time Dibbling would be 20 & Quenda 19 with 2 seasons in the league.

The approx fee for Quenda is €40m roughly £33m according to Ornstein and Whitwell, 2 tier 1 journalists.

I recon that Dibbling would be around the £30m as he hasn’t signed a new contract, so £60m approx between them is good value of that’s the prices of course.

If you signed an experienced CM & ST & maybe a CB with those 2 would be a great window.
 
I will focus on getting striker and midfielder first. Then we will think the next positions later if we have more money. In fact, I wouldn’t even dare to buy RWB yet before top striker and midfielder until we get to see if Amorim is actually the right man because if we sack him then the wingback might not even fit to new manager’s system. At least we know lot of manager out there play with striker and midfielder.

Osimhen/Gyokeres and Baleba.
 
So it looks like we still need another left wingback, but a right footed one ffs.!
 
1 DM

1 CM

1 No. 9

1 No. 10

1 CB

Quenda

+ 3 exciting youth players in random positions to give the fans something to be excited about

Never gonna happen because it’s important we don’t spend on the squad so we have enough money for the Glazers next dividend payment.
 
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