What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

Yes, I would do Ederson, Gyokerez and Cunha this summer if we had to prioritize.

Find someone on a free to fill LCB with either of Kukonki or Heaven as a backup. Amad and Dalot as RWB.

Ederson Quenda and Gyokeres would be my dream 3 this year.

Cunha although great we have 4 in those slots already: Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Amad.

You could also argue that Zirkzee could go in one of those slots.

A RWB is the first signing we need in the summer since without top wing backs the system will just fail, I hope we have Quenda already through the door in the first week of the summer.
 
As the lads in the Talk of the Devils mentioned, really hope us not buying anyone in the winter means we have a clear plan for the summer.

From now till the summer is when we should sort out all the negotiations and get all the new signings in within the first month after the window opens to have a proper pre-season. Cba with long drawn out negotiations, shouldn't be going for any players like that.
 
Ederson Quenda and Gyokeres would be my dream 3 this year.

Cunha although great we have 4 in those slots already: Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Amad.

You could also argue that Zirkzee could go in one of those slots.

A RWB is the first signing we need in the summer since without top wing backs the system will just fail, I hope we have Quenda already through the door in the first week of the summer.
“Don’t buy Cunha because we already have Zirkzee”

Ok.
 
Paul Pogba on a short term contract for the rest of the season.

Gyokeres, Quenda, Tel and a LCB in the summer.

A certain Patrick Dorgu is liking all of Paul Pogba's Instagram posts..... Coincidence?
The season would be over by the time pogba gets match fit. The only way would be a pay in you play option. Even then I’d think is that the personality that you want back in the dressing room? He left United under a cloud and now he’s trying to crawl in the back with his tail firmly behind him
 
Honestly I don't see the hype with him. Whenever I've seen him play he doesn't look all that? If there's anyone I'd get from Lille, it would be Angel on a free.
Same. Loads of clubs have supposedly looked at him and decided against it. I’d be dubious why he hasn’t been picked up. Is it because they think he’s reached his level? Or something about his personality? Just because he’s free doesn’t mean that he’s suitable
 
I'm kind of hoping the club is really enthusiastic about who we don't need.

We have 4 players with expiring contracts, Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans, Heaton - let them go.

Hopefully we see the back of Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro and Antony too. These sales should raise some serious funds for us too.

I'd like to see one of Hojlund or Zirkzee sold too.
 
I genuinely think Stiller is essential. He'd change our midfield pairing dynamic so much. Him and Ugarte would be immense together.

He's excellent with the ball but would you not worry about his lack of mobility and speed getting around the pitch? I think defensively it would leave Ugarte a lot of work to do and he might be a weak link in the pressing chain.

For the right money thought he might be worth a punt. I certainly think in a midfield three he'd excel as he's a brilliant playmaker, just not sure he's a great fit for this particular system.
 
Same. Loads of clubs have supposedly looked at him and decided against it. I’d be dubious why he hasn’t been picked up. Is it because they think he’s reached his level? Or something about his personality? Just because he’s free doesn’t mean that he’s suitable
From what I've seen of David (more for Canada than club), he's just a poacher type. I'd see him more as an impact sub and rotation striker for a big club rather than an every game starter
 
I'm kind of hoping the club is really enthusiastic about who we don't need.

We have 4 players with expiring contracts, Lindelof, Eriksen, Evans, Heaton - let them go.

Hopefully we see the back of Rashford, Sancho, Casemiro and Antony too. These sales should raise some serious funds for us too.

I'd like to see one of Hojlund or Zirkzee sold too.

I'd keep Eriksen for another year (on reduced wages) - because that's 8 outfield footballers you've listed there (if you include one of Hojlund/Zirkzee) and I seriously doubt this club are bringing in any more then 5 players this summer.
 
Same. Loads of clubs have supposedly looked at him and decided against it. I’d be dubious why he hasn’t been picked up. Is it because they think he’s reached his level? Or something about his personality? Just because he’s free doesn’t mean that he’s suitable

He's not a great fit for this system anyway. More of a second-striker type than a natural CF - sort of like Zirkzee but quicker and more mobile and a better finisher. With a lot of teams playing 4-3-3 or some variation with a lone striker he's probably not on the radar of a lot of clubs for that reason I'd imagine.

Would work well in an Atletico 4-4-2 sort of system where he can play off another forward and his pressing off-the-ball would be valued highly.
 
Think with Martinez injury we're going to have to prioritise speed, height and athleticism for that position. Attributes Kokonki and Heaven have by all accounts but too soon for both I'd imagine, while Heaven may be seen instead as a midfielder where he apparently wants to play.
 
He's not a great fit for this system anyway. More of a second-striker type than a natural CF - sort of like Zirkzee but quicker and more mobile and a better finisher. With a lot of teams playing 4-3-3 or some variation with a lone striker he's probably not on the radar of a lot of clubs for that reason I'd imagine.

Would work well in an Atletico 4-4-2 sort of system where he can play off another forward and his pressing off-the-ball would be valued highly.
That alone would be enough arguments to get him for free and sell Zirkzee though. Not as an only CF signing, but together with a more classic CF.
 
Anyone else thinking we need to look within the Premier League for a few players now?
Would anyone be upset with signing Mateta, Bowen, Antonee Robinson, and Liam Delap? All of those have played better football than the players we have. They'd be Ferguson-esque signings. Also sort of weaken the teams around us that are uh, beating us regularly at this point.

Realise that there's a Premier League tax but if any of them are realistic I'd snap your hand off for any of them.

There's also Cunha to consider, Borja Sainz at Norwich, and a few buyback clause's around on some players we have had like Gomes, Fernandez etc.

Yes. Because even leaving aside any questions of quality and fit, that would entail spending big money on three 28 year olds in Mateta, Bowen and Robinson. Which would be an unbelievably stupid thing for a team at the start of a multi-year rebuild with limited resources to do.
 
The season would be over by the time pogba gets match fit. The only way would be a pay in you play option. Even then I’d think is that the personality that you want back in the dressing room? He left United under a cloud and now he’s trying to crawl in the back with his tail firmly behind him
I don't think his professionalism was ever in doubt when it came to football, his personality wasn't for everyone but we've not had a more skilled midfielder since Carrick and Scholes.

His athleticism was second to none so I'd be interested to see what he has in the locker physically. Football touch and ability doesn't leave, I'd be more than interested in seeing if he's healthy and training well. I'd imagine he'd still run rings around Mainoo, Eriksen and Bruno in CM. His passing ability would still be top too. Defo worth the short term contract or pay as you play if he is healthy.
 
I don't think his professionalism was ever in doubt when it came to football, his personality wasn't for everyone but we've not had a more skilled midfielder since Carrick and Scholes.

His athleticism was second to none so I'd be interested to see what he has in the locker physically. Football touch and ability doesn't leave, I'd be more than interested in seeing if he's healthy and training well. I'd imagine he'd still run rings around Mainoo, Eriksen and Bruno in CM. His passing ability would still be top too. Defo worth the short term contract or pay as you play if he is healthy.

For you, maybe. But an awful lot of people did have doubts about his professionalism while he was at Manchester United.

His former teammate Nemanja Matic, for example:

At Chelsea, players acted professionally, they were punctual and were never late for training, but at United, it happened almost every day. Among the players who would always be late were Paul Pogba and Jadon Sancho and a couple of other players.

And that was before Pogba got hit with a doping ban. Which, even accepting the ingestion of the substance was not intentional, still demonstrated a lack of professionalism. As CAS expressly noted when reducing his ban:

The Cas panel "partially upheld the appeal" but "determined, however, that Mr Pogba was not without fault and that, as a professional football player, he should have paid a greater care in the circumstances.

This is not a player for the standards Amorim is trying to set.
 
I don't think his professionalism was ever in doubt when it came to football, his personality wasn't for everyone but we've not had a more skilled midfielder since Carrick and Scholes.

His athleticism was second to none so I'd be interested to see what he has in the locker physically. Football touch and ability doesn't leave, I'd be more than interested in seeing if he's healthy and training well. I'd imagine he'd still run rings around Mainoo, Eriksen and Bruno in CM. His passing ability would still be top too. Defo worth the short term contract or pay as you play if he is healthy.
His professionalism wasn’t in doubt? I must be misremembering loads then including disrespecting the club when he wanted to leave.

Athleticism? He couldn’t string 2 appearances together

What would the point in a 6 month contract be when the season ends in May? He’s been banned for what a year and a half? Before that he was practically injured for like a year.
He would have to get up to forces, match fitness and then impact games. In 3 months.

My logic is saying you’re kidding yourself
 
“Don’t buy Cunha because we already have Zirkzee”

Ok.

Let's spend all our money on repairing a car, but not have enough for wheels. Then we just sit there with it on a few bricks unable to move it.

Without wingbacks it'll be the same old story.
 
Yes. Because even leaving aside any questions of quality and fit, that would entail spending big money on three 28 year olds in Mateta, Bowen and Robinson. Which would be an unbelievably stupid thing for a team at the start of a multi-year rebuild with limited resources to do.
You're probably right but they would be transformative and I genuinely don't see how spending £200m on Holland, Antony and Zirkzee was any better, nor do I trust our recruitment team to spend it more wisely than that. Where is the evidence, given what happened to Dan Ashworth, that we have the slightest clue what we are doing here?
 
“Don’t buy Cunha because we already have Zirkzee”

Ok.
Chances of us signing Cunha have significantly decreased after he signed his new contract. It's surely gotta have a release clause over 70m, as they have signed him for 50m. Other teams like Arsenal are also hard on him and he surely would love to prefer playing in the CL. Gyokeres at least has the personal connection to Amorim.
 
Chances of us signing Cunha have significantly decreased after he signed his new contract. It's surely gotta have a release clause over 70m, as they have signed him for 50m. Other teams like Arsenal are also hard on him and he surely would love to prefer playing in the CL. Gyokeres at least has the personal connection to Amorim.

£62.5m is the word on the street.

He'd be an excellent signing but he is a luxury one - i.e. one where United would have to make a difficult sale (probably Garnacho) to afford him, otherwise with the money coming in getting rid of some of the more obvious deadwood priorities for sure would have to be CM, RWB, CF I think.
 
He's excellent with the ball but would you not worry about his lack of mobility and speed getting around the pitch? I think defensively it would leave Ugarte a lot of work to do and he might be a weak link in the pressing chain.

For the right money thought he might be worth a punt. I certainly think in a midfield three he'd excel as he's a brilliant playmaker, just not sure he's a great fit for this particular system.
I think positional awareness can make up for speed around the pitch. One think I noticed with players like Stiller and also Ederson, they seem to be on the right area of the pitch when they are needed and have a knack of getting their foot to the ball when tackling rather than committing a foul. Defensively they are both sound for what we need while having that creative side to aid in the attacking aspects. Stiller looks technically the better player. I wouldn't be too disheartened to have one instead of the other though
 
Let's spend all our money on repairing a car, but not have enough for wheels. Then we just sit there with it on a few bricks unable to move it.

Without wingbacks it'll be the same old story.
My point was to sell Zirkzee
 
Ederson Quenda and Gyokeres would be my dream 3 this year.

Cunha although great we have 4 in those slots already: Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Amad.

You could also argue that Zirkzee could go in one of those slots.

A RWB is the first signing we need in the summer since without top wing backs the system will just fail, I hope we have Quenda already through the door in the first week of the summer.
Do we have anyone who that inside left attacking role is actually ideal for though? None of the options are particularly satisfying. Amad and Garnacho are best on the right side, I've had enough of Fernandes in the advanced roles and think he looks much better operating from the central midfield area, Mainoo has been used there once and looks a deeper midfielder to me as well, and Zirkzee may well need to start as the highest point of the attack and drop into space rather than occupy the area between the lines.

I think we have a comparatively better option for every other position, with the exception of striker and perhaps the wingbacks (we have addressed the left side, Amad is good on the right but we should be planning to have him further forward long term). I would try either Mainoo there in conjunction with Hojlund up front, Garnacho there with Zirkzee up front or Zirkzee there with Hojlund upfront for the rest of this season and prioritise this area unless Mainoo or Zikzee can show more in that position in that time.

Quenda would be an exciting signing, but more so because he's just a clearly very talented young player. In terms of fit, he looks too similar to Diallo to be a perfect addition to the squad - better off going for someone who is right footed and will provide natural width and penetration down that side.

I can see the appeal in buying Ederson, who is a very good player, supremely athletic, could play as the anchoring midfielder or box to box, provide what Ugarte does and compliment both Bruno and Mainoo and maybe even play with the Uruguayan in a more robust setup. Ultimately though, I think we have two strong options for the more attacking central midfield position in Fernandes and Mainoo, so for me the desirable thing in this area is cover for Ugarte and Ederson is better than that. I would be tempted to just stick with Collyer and use the funds elsewhere.
 
I'd keep Eriksen for another year (on reduced wages) - because that's 8 outfield footballers you've listed there (if you include one of Hojlund/Zirkzee) and I seriously doubt this club are bringing in any more then 5 players this summer.
I'd like them to try and get in Angel Gomes on a free or give a youngster an opportunity in the first team. Even a loan midfielder would do. Eriksens impact has been significantly reduced.
 
I'd keep Eriksen for another year (on reduced wages) - because that's 8 outfield footballers you've listed there (if you include one of Hojlund/Zirkzee) and I seriously doubt this club are bringing in any more then 5 players this summer.
It's players who don't have any real roles though. If you get 2 players per position, you should be pretty set. Eriksen right now is in that 2nd 11 so he'd need a replacement, and replace one of the 2 CFs, get a RWB in like Quenda and then another #10 and we are pretty much there with 2 per position across all positions. I guess a bit more difficult now with Martinez out though.
 
Could Angel returning on a free be one to consider when looking to replace Eriksen too
I think we can't simultaneously have a goal of lifting the physical profile of this team and sign Angel too. We're already compensating for other players so new signings need to be physical pluses unless they absolute technical elites like Wirtz or Cherki but even they get a pass because of their positions.For me, our next midfielder needs to be able to compete with the rodris, Bruno Gs and Amadou Onana's of the world.
 
Ederson Quenda and Gyokeres would be my dream 3 this year.

Cunha although great we have 4 in those slots already: Mainoo, Bruno, Garnacho, Amad.

You could also argue that Zirkzee could go in one of those slots.

A RWB is the first signing we need in the summer since without top wing backs the system will just fail, I hope we have Quenda already through the door in the first week of the summer.
Why do you like Ederson so much? Genuine question - i have never watched him but his fbref profile is very average and I can't really see what he excels at. Would be very hesitant that we could end up signing another nothing player. On the other hand, Baleba, who will definitely cost us, is as sure a sign of a future elite midfielder as I can see and I would much rather spend 80 on him than 60 on Ederson.
 
It seems like we're already targeting Quenda in the summer, so with that in mind..

LCB - Huijsen (release clause this summer)
RWB - Quenda
CM - Ederson
L10 - Cunha (has release clause this summer)
ST - Osimhen/Gyokeres

That's what we need, but whether we can do all that in a single summer, probably not

This would be the perfect transfer window and would massively improve the squad, especially Ederson and Quenda. I don't mind keeping it low during this transfer window if it allows more spending in the summer. I just hope INEOS deliver on that front.
 
I’d be keeping an eye on Evan Ferguson’s loan spell with West Ham. If he does well and stays injury free then he’s the striker I’d be going for.
 
It seems like we're already targeting Quenda in the summer, so with that in mind..

LCB - Huijsen (release clause this summer)
RWB - Quenda
CM - Ederson
L10 - Cunha (has release clause this summer)
ST - Osimhen/Gyokeres

That's what we need, but whether we can do all that in a single summer, probably not
Would be a perfect window, depending on PSR we may need to sell Garnacho and Mainoo to fund it.
 
Gyokeres and Cunha would make a difference. Osimhen even better. Ederson, yes. Not convinced on Quenda to make an impact this soon.
 
Right. And neither are Glazers, the real owners.

But what we really need is - new owners. Not gonna win EPL or UCL without that :)

Completely agree, just our luck our only alternative to INEOS was that fake sheikh