What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

We probably need to replace cavani and greenwood, which is a lot of work for one summer. Beyond that, from what we see in the press, RR has wanted a DM since he joined, which seems obvious to fans too. Beyond that I'm not sure what we need to do. Players like Maguire, shaw, bruno and rashford are obviously better than being shown so Ralf or the new coach needs to coach them to play better. Funny to say it but Sancho is one of the world's most creative players and should be like a new signing under better coaching. I personally also think Ralf will sign a right back, which is fine. City sign about 2 wing backs a year for 60m a pop, this is just the premiership today. I'd say he is more likely to go for a stop gap in that position than an expensive more though. Beyond that we have a good enough squad for top four, easily. Ole got 3 and 2 spots with worse players and we all know ole is not a top manager
 
Defo need a CDM
Defo need a RW
After that, I think we should prioritise a CD to partner Varane and then a RB.
Depending on the manager then DDG will need to be replaced too - no way would ETH be able to set a team up his way with Him in goal. Given we won’t have any CL money then getting 2 very good players in could be a big ask. I think we will see one expensive player (£40m) and some cheap effort that will most likely be underwhelming.
 
Defo need a CDM
Defo need a RW
After that, I think we should prioritise a CD to partner Varane and then a RB.
Depending on the manager then DDG will need to be replaced too - no way would ETH be able to set a team up his way with Him in goal. Given we won’t have any CL money then getting 2 very good players in could be a big ask. I think we will see one expensive player (£40m) and some cheap effort that will most likely be underwhelming.

Would throw in a Pogba replacement too and of course mobile ST as well
 
We need a top top manager first of all to discipline the players.

Just seen on reddit there Owen Hargreves and Rio saying that under ferguson if we lost a match, the players were angry. If we lost two matches there was an inquest. Rooney then said that we lost some match under Mourinho and he was fuming. But when he went into training, Pogba and Lingard were dancing to music.

Some players dont give a feck.
 
We need a top top manager first of all to discipline the players.

Just seen on reddit there Owen Hargreves and Rio saying that under ferguson if we lost a match, the players were angry. If we lost two matches there was an inquest. Rooney then said that we lost some match under Mourinho and he was fuming. But when he went into training, Pogba and Lingard were dancing to music.

Some players dont give a feck.

Yeah seen plenty of evidence that's the case, going back on topic we need absolute minimum DM, ST & RW/attacking RB in the summer
 
Rudiger....... Free............... ...CB
Tchounamei...... £45m+.......CM
Kamara...... Free............. .... CB/DM
Nkunku.....£50m........ RW/LW/ST/AM
Andre Silva.....£35m...........ST

Would be my summer

Adding the following to the first team squad/bench....

Laird...... RB
Garner..... DM/CM
Mjebril.... CM/AM
Garnacho... LW/RW

With Matic. Mata. Lingaard. Pogba. Cavani out of contract and released

And possibly Martial and Rashford and Henderson sold to fund the signings.

Squad of

De Gaea/Heaton/Johnstone
AWB/Dalot/Laird
Shaw/Telles
Maguire/Varane/Kamara/Lindelof
Tchounamei/Garner
Fred/Mctominay/VDB
Bruno/Mjebril
Sancho/Elanga
Nkunku/Garnacho
Ronaldo/Silva

If we can further sell Jones, Bailly then great, it'd trim the squad size down further.

£130m outlay roughly, with fees recouped for Rashford, Martial and Henderson probably a net spend between £10m-£40m

And a ton saved in wages.

Big emphasis on young hungry hardworking players, with no attitude problems
 
I think we will sign a few players this summer that many fans will not know a great deal about.

It's time we started signing players on the way up again not the way down. No more last big payday merchants either.
 
I think we will sign a few players this summer that many fans will not know a great deal about.

It's time we started signing players on the way up again not the way down. No more last big payday merchants either.

Agreed. That is the best way to put.
 
We can get a GK, CB, CM, and another CF later.
We really can't. We lose two CMs next summer and from there we don't have a single CM that offers creative output.

Not signing one would leave us in the same hole of not being able to break teams down.
Both the CM and DM need to be capable passers.
 
I’ll be surprised to see United spend a big fee for one player this summer due to how many players we will need to sign

Pogba, Greenwood and Cavani will all need replacing and we won’t get a penny for any of them.

Maguire and Rashford’s forms don’t guarantee them favour for next season.

From what I read about ten Hag, De Gea wouldn’t be his style of GK, if he joins.

Feel like our best bet is to get that Mitchell guy in and then tap into his and Rangnick’s knowledge to get 5-6 players with potential in, rather than 2 or 3 major signings.
 
Looking at the squad I genuinely think there are 20players to go and 10 signings to be made. Of course we arent doing that over one window, but this isnt what we do in the summer or spend..its what we need. Of coruse some of the signings could well come from our youth squad.

But what we need, priority wise after a manager is bought in is:

a) Nobody bar DeGea has performed consistently over the last two seasons, so nobody who is out of contract or wants to go should be kept

Grant, Mata, Pogba, Lingard, Cavani, Chong can all go, significant wages saved from contracts ending

Henderson, Bailly, Tuanzabe, Pereira, VDB, Martial all want to go - good sell them even on cut price deals if wages are a problem, still £75m worth of sales there being conservative

Thats 12 players gone, we have a squad of about 26 players still.

There are a further 10players out of contract the following summer, only DeGea should be offered a new one until they prove themselves

b) Get rid of problem or star players with value and take advantage of the free transfer market

We have a few star/expensive players who have been dreadful this season, we should be looking to cash in on some, they can be replaced for free in most cases:

Maguire out - Romagnoli Free
Matic out (age) - Kamara Free
Rashford/Greenwood - Dembele Free

With the possible exception of Greenwood, we have sold beign conservative £60m in transfers (should be far more) and replaced them with players just as godo if not better, for nothing bar wages and signing on fees, covered by players leaving out of contract anyway.

c) Upgrade the first eleven

RB - Bissaka I like personally but he has regressed which isnt good, Dalot for me offers little, no mor ethan WIlliams. Id sell Bissaka and Dalot cut price as his contract is ending in a year and promote Laird/Williams to squad options and buy a quality right back

Livaramento £30m

CB - Jones contract expires in a year so we may as well madly keep in until it does.Leaves us wth Romagnoli and Lindelof as good bacjk up to Varane, but we need a real quality first choice pairing for Varane

Araujo £40m

CM - We are left with Kamara, McFred and Fernandes for three spots. I would promote Hannibal but I still think we need another two

Tchouameni £50 Caqueret £25m

WIng -Sancho, Elanga and Dembele are all good options but I think Amad and Pellstri still need better loans. There is for me a potential superstar I feel we shouldnt miss out on even if it means SAncho on the right to compete with Dembele (who may have ongoing inury concerns, and thats

Sulemana £40m

CF - Ronaldo is a tough one as will he want to be second fiddle, we we are not going to go and sign two strikers, so I would keep him until his contract goes down and sign another think is a potential superstar giving him a year to settle in and compete

Giouri £40m

d) Squad signings

We only have Heaton so either a free signing or ideally for me, a more modern keeper that is young and can give us a differnt option and provide competition to DeGea

Vadervordt £10m

Left back is still a worry as though I lovethe desire of Telles, he cant defend. Shaw I wouldnt offer a new contract until he proves himself again. But I would leave that for a season and we then have a good squad

Sales £135-225m
Purchases £235m

DeGea

Livaramento Varane Araujo Shaw


Tchouameni


Caqueret Fernandes


Dembele Sancho

Ronaldo





Vandervordt

Laird Lindelof Romagnoli Telles

Kamara

McTominay Fred


Elanga Sulemana

Giouri


Rest of Squad - Heaton, Jones, Williams, Garner
Loan - Mengi, Amad, Pellesti, Shoetire

Obviously not happening in window and the names can all be different, but 20 out and 10 in is somewhere near what we need in my opinion and it doesnt have to be much of a net spend either
 
Rudiger....... Free............... ...CB
Tchounamei...... £45m+.......CM
Kamara...... Free............. .... CB/DM
Nkunku.....£50m........ RW/LW/ST/AM
Andre Silva.....£35m...........ST

Would be my summer

Adding the following to the first team squad/bench....

Laird...... RB
Garner..... DM/CM
Mjebril.... CM/AM
Garnacho... LW/RW

With Matic. Mata. Lingaard. Pogba. Cavani out of contract and released

And possibly Martial and Rashford and Henderson sold to fund the signings.

Squad of

De Gea/Heaton/Johnstone
AWB/Dalot/Laird
Shaw/Telles
Maguire/Varane/Rudgier/Lindelof
Tchounamei/Garner /Kamara
Fred/Mctominay/VDB
Bruno/Mjebril
Sancho/Elanga
Nkunku/Garnacho
Ronaldo/David

If we can further sell Jones, Bailly then great, it'd trim the squad size down further.

£130m outlay roughly, with fees recouped for Rashford, Martial and Henderson probably a net spend between £10m-£40m

And a ton saved in wages.

Big emphasis on young hungry hardworking players, with no attitude problems
Pretty much this would be a successful summer, I would maybe add David as my preferred striker option as he's pacy and has a good eye for goal. Also was apart of that title winning squad for Lille and could be available for around €60m

That would be a good start to the next 2/3 years rebuilding project.
 
Pretty much this would be a successful summer, I would maybe add David as my preferred striker option as he's pacy and has a good eye for goal. Also was apart of that title winning squad for Lille and could be available for around €60m

That would be a good start to the next 2/3 years rebuilding project.

Cheers think it'd be sensible and probably doable without too much upheaval, has to be done in stages.
 
Sell Henderson and De Gea, get Robert Sanchez and Sam Johnstone. 20-25 mil profit.

Sell AWB and Williams, get Mazraoui on the free. 20-30 mil profit.

Sell Jones, Tuanzebe and Bailly. 20-25 mil profit. Ideal world, Maguire sold, but impossible task.

Get a new CB with those profits
Luxury (use all the defensive profit): De Ligt (Rudiger going to Juve, Ten Hag becomes our manager) or Kounde
Quality-price (40 mil): Araujo
Up and coming (25-40 mil): Max Kilman

Get rid of Matic, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Pereira, and try to sell one of McFred. Ideally both.
VDB will get a new chance with Ten Hag.

Buy Tchouameni and Caqueret for 65 mil. Get Brozovic on the free.

Sell Martial, Rashford and Bruno. Let Cavani leave. Selling Ronaldo will be impossible. 110-130mil profit.
Cry-baby, ball-wasting, arm-flipping, defensively useless Bruno has to go.

Buy Raphinha, Nkunku (he would be our new no.10 or secondary striker) and one of Schick/Nunez/Isak.

If Raphinha goes to Barca, then get Dembele on the free.
Dembele might be as motivated to play with the French-speaking contingent of Nkunku, Mazraoui, Kounde, Varane, Diallo, Hannibal, Tchouameni and Caqueret.

This is an impossible task, but that’s how bad our squad actually is.
 
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More than signing anyone first and foremost I would like the club to get rid of the pathetic , half arsed , entitled , lazy bastards who have infested and infected this club. Please just rid of the players who are either not good enough or think they are too precious and bring players who are hungry, want to prove and take their football seriously.

OUT
Martial
Rashford
Pogba (free)
Lingard (free)
Cavani (free)
Greenwood (gone)
Mctom
Awb
Mata (good lad but no point)
Shaw
Dalot
Henderson
Bailly
Maguire
Matic (too old)

Pipe dream but I would love it if the club show some Ruthlessness and get rid of these useless cnuts before bringing in

IN
Livramento/Aarons
Cucurella
Rudiger
Tarkowski (back up)
Raphinha/Antony/ Nkunku
Rice/tchouameni
Neves
Tielemens
Nunez/isak/Richarlison

I would take a less talented player but a hard worker who gives his all than a more talented one but half arsed to work. Sign 5-6 from this list and give the youth like Garner, Mejbri etc chance next season.
 
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A good manager and some more football people upstairs.

Ten Hag or Enrique
And keep Rangnick and bring in more people like him
 
Goalkeepers

De Gea - Despite a 3 year bad spell he has been by far our best player the past decade which sums up the club at the moment sadly. 1st team

Henderson - Mightn't be happy as backup so we could probably get 30m for him and then sign a good quality bench warmer. Sell if you can for 30m

Full backs


Wan Bissaka - Not good enough, on the ball, to be at United. Cracking Crystal Palace full back though. Sell if you can for 25m

Dalot - He has what we lack throughout the squad, which is he's very good in possesion. Not a great defender obviously but I would persist for the moment. We are in far more need of talented midfielders than another right back, and most of our defensive problems stem from the fact that we can't bloody keep the ball. First team for now

Shaw - One of our few players that shows he can cut it against the best. First team

Telles - Decent on the ball but poor defensively and slow. Backup but look to promote a quicker going lad in the coming years

Centre backs


Varane - Top class. Everything a top team wants in a centre back. Quick. Technical capable. Strong. 1st team

Maguire - Not quick. Not technically gifted but he's the English centre back so try and use that to get some cash in. He's a good defender when he gets loads of help which is the faintest of praise. Cut our losses and move on. Sell if you can for 35m

Jones - Good lad so let him run down his contract. We won't be able to sell him anyway. Backup

Lindelof - Good enough to make up a strong pairing with Varane. A bit weak but he's a clever defender. 1st team for now

Tuanzebe - Bundles of potential. Get him back. Quick and strong. Blood into the 1st team

Mengi - Potential backup. Very quick which is critical for a top team. Backup

Bailly - Headbanger. Lots of ability but it hasn't worked due to injuries. Sell to make room for Tuanzebe and Mengi. You can't keep loaning them out forever. Eventually we have to give them a run. Sell for whatever we can get


Midfielders


Fred - Only good enough as 3rd or 4th choice. Backup

Mctominay - As above. Backup

Bruno - Weak on the ball. Weak in general. Like an aging Mata already except much whingier. Had an amazing 18 months but it's all over I'm afraid. Hopefully somebody will give us a lot for him. Sell for 50m

Garner - Let's see if he's good enough. Backup

Matic - Another year with old man time. Back backup

Lingard and Pogba - The end of the Raiola years. Hurray!!! Bad attitudes. Please release them, let them go

Hannibal - Give him a go. Looks very good on the ball and by God we need midfielders who are capable on the ball.
Backup

SIGN 2 TECHNICALLY EXCELLENT MIDFIELDERS!!! THERE ARE LOADS OUT THERE.

Wingers


Sancho - United quality player. Very skilful dribbler and great decision maker around the box. 1st team

Rashford - He seems to have other interests in life. Injuries might have slowed him too much but I think it's mainly down to his attitude. The thing is we probably need him now more than ever. Cavani is going and Greenwood is gone. He'll be needed as a winger and as a backup to Ronaldo. Last chance to turn it around

Elanga - Game lad. Very quick and looks promising. Rotation

Diallo - Push him into the squad. Let's see what he can do. Backup

Forwards


Ronaldo - Keep him around. If we get a United calibre midfield then we'll start to dominate games again and we'll create lots of chances for him. Man's a legend. It's not his fault the team is so poor in midfield.

We need at least 1 other attacking player. We're so bare up top now.

So 2 midfielders and an attacker. Hopefully we get 140m for the players above to help out.
 
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Sell Henderson and De Gea, get Robert Sanchez and Sam Johnstone. 20-25 mil profit.

Sell AWB and Williams, get Mazraoui on the free. 20-30 mil profit.

Sell Jones, Tuanzebe and Bailly. 20-25 mil profit. Ideal world, Maguire sold, but impossible task.

Get a new CB with those profits
Luxury (use all the defensive profit): De Ligt (Rudiger going to Juve, Ten Hag becomes our manager) or Kounde
Quality-price (40 mil): Araujo
Up and coming (25-40 mil): Max Kilman

Get rid of Matic, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Pereira, and try to sell one of McFred. Ideally both.
VDB will get a new chance with Ten Hag.

Buy Tchouameni and Caqueret for 65 mil. Get Brozovic on the free.

Sell Martial, Rashford and Bruno. Let Cavani leave. Selling Ronaldo will be impossible. 110-130mil profit.
Cry-baby, ball-wasting, arm-flipping, defensively useless Bruno has to go.

Buy Raphinha, Nkunku (he would be our new no.10 or secondary striker) and one of Schick/Nunez/Isak.

If Raphinha goes to Barca, then get Dembele on the free.
Dembele might be as motivated to play with the French-speaking contingent of Nkunku, Mazraoui, Kounde, Varane, Diallo, Hannibal, Tchouameni and Caqueret.

This is an impossible task, but that’s how bad our squad actually is.
Brozovic and Dembele will both sign new contracts I think
 
Cheers think it'd be sensible and probably doable without too much upheaval, has to be done in stages.
I agree, you've covered what is a glaring problem for now CB/CDM/RW plus adding an additional Mid and Striker option, 5 players maximum allows for bedding in.

Rudigier being already in the prem could slot in immediately and the others can be rotated in and out to aid bedding in as we seen when Sancho came good.

Not too much disruption to the team as a whole with the Outgoings, in fact some of the ones leaving may be a blessing to get rid of.

It would be a good start, then we can look at GK & Fullbacks after that with the new manager, although if it's ETH and Mazraoui is available I wouldn't be against him coming as the 6th incoming as long as we get rid of a lot of the deadwood this summer.
 
Sell Henderson and De Gea, get Robert Sanchez and Sam Johnstone. 20-25 mil profit.
Not unhappy with this outcome in theory but genuinely intrigued how you think that would happen while making any kind of profit let alone that much?
 
Not unhappy with this outcome in theory but genuinely intrigued how you think that would happen while making any kind of profit let alone that much?

Johnstone is available on a free and I'd imagine Brighton would probably take £30m for Sanchez, they're a selling club and that's a decent wedge for a goalkeeper still even in today's market.

That said, I don't think you'd make much of a profit. You'd probably get a similar amount back for Henderson that you'd spend on Sanchez; De Gea would have a year left on his contract and even though his form has picked up, I can't see anybody wanting to pay a fee in addition to £375k p/w.
 
Johnstone is available on a free and I'd imagine Brighton would probably take £30m for Sanchez, they're a selling club and that's a decent wedge for a goalkeeper still even in today's market.

That said, I don't think you'd make much of a profit. You'd probably get a similar amount back for Henderson that you'd spend on Sanchez; De Gea would have a year left on his contract and even though his form has picked up, I can't see anybody wanting to pay a fee in addition to £375k p/w.
That's my thinking, I don't see us getting as much for Henderson as Brighton would want for Sanchez given Henderson has (rightly or wrongly) barely played for us this season. None of the clubs who could afford De Gea's wages would go near him so we'd be looking at having to give him away and part fund his wages. It was the £20-25m profit comment that got me.
 
Caqueret, Gouiri and Tchouameni would answer our prayers if we could get all of them. Any chance?
 
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I think in order of priority:
- CM who can pass and receive the ball under pressure.
- An attacker who can occupy either RW or CF, my preference is an attacking wide player like Anthony.
- Another CM, someone who can go well both ways, basically a more consistent Pogba role.
- RB & LB. If I had to pick one over the other I’d go for a LB as I think Shaw is finished after this season.
- GK. some will disagree but I think De Gea is a massive problem. Personally I much preferred Hendo and his style of keeping but I suspect long term neither Is good enough. I’d like us to get a keeper with a real presence in net
- CB. Personally I think CB is well down the list of priorities. Maguire may yet regain his form under a better manager and in truth I think Varane and Lindelof are more than good enough especially once we get suitable midfielders in front of them.

That’s basically a whole new team, I just can’t see how we get even half of those positions without acquiring some absolute hidden gem bargains.
 
Loads out, loads in. Won't happen though.

At the bare minimum RB, CB, CDM, CM, ST, Winger (decide if Sancho is going to play left or right and find a winger for the other wing).

I think we'll get 4/6.

I think we should be looking to take advantage of the free transfers on the market and try and get in more players to improve the quality of the squad overall.
 
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CDM and RW are the most pressing areas. Neves and Raphinha would not cost a fortune, Rice would.

RB and CB are two other weak areas. Can McTominay play RB? Can we afford a top class CB?

A striker is probably needed but it depends on the Greenwood situation.

If Hannibal is ready to replace Pogba then we might only need one CM, not two.

So a minimum of 3-4 new players.

Cavani, Mata, Lingard, Matic, and Pogba will leave for free.

We might get some token money for Jones, Bailly and Martial. Maybe sell Dalot or AWB.
 
Raphinha im sure. Will both suit 4411 and 433

Raphinha has been playing 433 with Bielsa.

If United get Ten Hag. Raphinha will suit Ten Hag playing style.

Raphinha is not only about skills. Raphinha is hard working and aggresive too. The pressing part.

He showed against Norwich what he SHALL do in that case. Came down the line. Look up, keep calm and deliver out a 45 % angle assist pass to your CF. He has it. The decision making. And of course not only the first time. He set up many Leeds goals like that last season too.

Raphinha is consistent. On a really high level.

But bad for Raphinha, Bielsa and Leeds. Bamford and might Leeds most important and key player in Kalvin Phillips out with long time injury. The cm player who break down opponents attacks most and set up for a quick counter. So naturally it affect Bielsa as a coach and Raphinha as attacking players. Raphinha scores and creates lesser because of those reasons.

And i have observed and experience. Even the transfer window is closing and not open again before summer. Still many clubs have reach agreement with players during Feb and summer.

Raphinha is the real deal = it mean he will make quick impact straight away, immediately. Consistent mood player.

With Raphina. United other attackin players will receive more bigger chances and naturally rise the chance to scoring more goals.

Raphinha has high level of creative and scoring goals.
 
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Definitely DM and ST. Probably also RW. Then it depends on whether we can get acceptable offers for whoever is considered deadwood. It might be that we keep certain players (i.e. Maguire) around til the January window in the hope they'll have a good World Cup and might be more attractive to prospective buying clubs.
 
glangendorff : "People to whom I spoke to said that Ten Hag loves work ethics. Whoever doesn't buy into it, he'll let them go straight away. That will be his first talk to the team"

glangendorff : "You never know how Xavi will play Frenkie de Jong at Barcelona next season. If Frenkie feels slightly unsettled, he'll be more than happy to join the likes of #mufc if Ten Hag is there"

glangendorff : "De Ligt's bond with Ten Hag is absolutely brilliant. If De Ligt gets the call from him, he'll be more than willing to listen to at least an offer"

glangendorff : “Ten Hag might not have coached in England but he's a student of the game. In his spare time, he watches videos of football all around Europe especially the Premier League.”
 
Getting new players won't fix anything without a long or medium term plan as we have seen since SAF left, we get a new manager and new players but things don't change. They need to get a new manager and give him time to build a squad which works like a team and we fans need to have some patience. I know Man Utd was a big team and still is, but if we keep hiring new managers with short term goals it's going to take longer to get back to the top and play World Class football.
 
Caqueret, Gouiri and Tchouameni would answer our prayers if we could get all of them. Any chance?

Great shouts, ironically th ebiggest name Tchouameni, not seen much of, but seen a fair bit of the other two, especially Giouri who have liekd since youth football.

I cant beleive we arent linked with at least one of the former two or both, see Giouri gettign small links wth other clubs. Funny enough I started a thread for him on here....not a single reply, which is telling. And both of them are amongst I expect are far cheaper than a lot of the options being mentioned. Caqueret reminds me a bit in terms of intelligence and movement into areas of Lampard and Giouri reminds me of a young Benzema without the aerial presence.......the French league is full of excelletn potential signings for me and bar Sulemana BEFORE he moved to Rennes Ive not seen us linedk with any of them, onyl one was Camavinga last summer and the general idea I got was people thought he was too young and in a weak league etc. Ligue 1 should be where we are lookign in my opinion, bar centr back and a second choice keeper I think there are brilliant options for evry problem postition we have at the moment

Be interested so see how Caqueret does against West Ham in the Europa league.
 
With Greenwood Martial and Rashford falling to pieces any wide attackers who look like they could explode into something special in the next few years?

How about Damsgaard? Would he be expensive ? Seems to have really quick feet. End product isn't great but the club he's at doesn't help. Looks a more physically mature player than the likes of Diallo, Pelistri etc. Maybe too raw for United. Anyone else other than the usual names we hear of (Rapinha, Diaby, Antony etc) who has something special?
 
FW - Christopher Nkunku
CM - Jude Bellingham
CDM - Aurélien Tchouaméni
RB - Achraf Hakimi
CB - Lisandro Martinez