bucky
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Getting close to City, Liverpool etc isn't just about signing players but also about creating conditions for those players to impose their game on the opposition. Klopp at Liverpool did just that by coaching a compact high block with high pressing capabilities. And he did that with quick/athletic CBs who are comfortable defending a large space on the counter and midfielders like Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum etc providing the intensity both in and out of possession, which aided the fullbacks to thrive and be ultra productive on the ball and provide the wide pressing trap option off the ball. That's basically how they control the game with and without the ball.
I do remember yourself not being sure about Neuhaus and you were if i'm not mistaken wanting the midfielder from Napoli, Fabian Ruiz. But in the game today one must sign players who are capable both in offensive and defensive transitions imo. And at big clubs, it's becoming very important to have your CBs, and deeper deployed midfielders to be strong in defensive transitions, defending a large space. So the likes of Neves would be a upgrade on Fred and Mctominay on the ball, but a down grade in defensive transitions high up the pitch in a compact high block. So when looking at a midfielder, I believe one must take into consideration the requirements in the game today both with and without the ball.
That's a different discussion to what we were initially talking about though. Of course we should be looking to improve our pressing and several other aspects that are lacking in our game, such as off the ball movement while we are in possession for example. You still need better players though. No matter how good our game plan could be or how well coached our players would be, they still need to be better individually most of the time. A good platform or framework obviously helps limited players, but I think it's easier, if you have both. What you are describing, Rangnick is trying to address and hopefully so will the new manager in the summer.
That Liverpool team was an exception in my eyes. In terms of productivity they had and still have unique full-backs. We don't, and I don't see us signing the next Alexander-Arnold. If anything, it is looking like we will eventually need to replace Shaw sooner than later. They also clearly addressed their midfield with signings like Fabinho and Thiago, to improve their team in the centre when they have possession.
I'm confused, are you saying that Fabian Ruiz is too limited defensively to work for us or is that generally a point about Neves? Neves was just an example, I am not particularly keen on us signing him.