What do we still need? Aka The never ending story

Getting close to City, Liverpool etc isn't just about signing players but also about creating conditions for those players to impose their game on the opposition. Klopp at Liverpool did just that by coaching a compact high block with high pressing capabilities. And he did that with quick/athletic CBs who are comfortable defending a large space on the counter and midfielders like Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum etc providing the intensity both in and out of possession, which aided the fullbacks to thrive and be ultra productive on the ball and provide the wide pressing trap option off the ball. That's basically how they control the game with and without the ball.

I do remember yourself not being sure about Neuhaus and you were if i'm not mistaken wanting the midfielder from Napoli, Fabian Ruiz. But in the game today one must sign players who are capable both in offensive and defensive transitions imo. And at big clubs, it's becoming very important to have your CBs, and deeper deployed midfielders to be strong in defensive transitions, defending a large space. So the likes of Neves would be a upgrade on Fred and Mctominay on the ball, but a down grade in defensive transitions high up the pitch in a compact high block. So when looking at a midfielder, I believe one must take into consideration the requirements in the game today both with and without the ball.

That's a different discussion to what we were initially talking about though. Of course we should be looking to improve our pressing and several other aspects that are lacking in our game, such as off the ball movement while we are in possession for example. You still need better players though. No matter how good our game plan could be or how well coached our players would be, they still need to be better individually most of the time. A good platform or framework obviously helps limited players, but I think it's easier, if you have both. What you are describing, Rangnick is trying to address and hopefully so will the new manager in the summer.

That Liverpool team was an exception in my eyes. In terms of productivity they had and still have unique full-backs. We don't, and I don't see us signing the next Alexander-Arnold. If anything, it is looking like we will eventually need to replace Shaw sooner than later. They also clearly addressed their midfield with signings like Fabinho and Thiago, to improve their team in the centre when they have possession.

I'm confused, are you saying that Fabian Ruiz is too limited defensively to work for us or is that generally a point about Neves? Neves was just an example, I am not particularly keen on us signing him.
 
Definitely need minimum of

DM
CM
ST
CB

That's not including an attacking RB or a proper RW to give us a different dimension
I think RB is more important than CB because Lindelof is playing at a good level. We just need a manager bold enough to do the needful with Maguire but I doubt whether Rangnick would do it given his initial struggles with the dressing room.

I'd like us to give Garner the chance to establish himself as our CM next season because I think we won't have the resources to sign a DM, RB, CM and Striker in one window and I am tired of the Ole-Woodward's silly one expensive signing per window. Say we have £130m - £150m to spend, I'd like to see it spread amongst the DM, Striker and RB signings and then use the youth system to supplement other positions.

The one other area we could improve is if we sell Dalot, Telles, Tuanzebe, Henderson (with a buyback clause) and Bailly to sign an LB and a CB. We should be getting £75m - £80m for the lot which should be enough to bring a CB and an LB to challenge Shaw and Maguire.
 
That's a different discussion to what we were initially talking about though. Of course we should be looking to improve our pressing and several other aspects that are lacking in our game, such as off the ball movement while we are in possession for example. You still need better players though. No matter how good our game plan could be or how well coached our players would be, they still need to be better individually most of the time. A good platform or framework obviously helps limited players, but I think it's easier, if you have both. What you are describing, Rangnick is trying to address and hopefully so will the new manager in the summer.

That Liverpool team was an exception in my eyes. In terms of productivity they had and still have unique full-backs. We don't, and I don't see us signing the next Alexander-Arnold. If anything, it is looking like we will eventually need to replace Shaw sooner than later. They also clearly addressed their midfield with signings like Fabinho and Thiago, to improve their team in the centre when they have possession.

I'm confused, are you saying that Fabian Ruiz is too limited defensively to work for us or is that generally a point about Neves? Neves was just an example, I am not particularly keen on us signing him.
I agree you need the players but the method of play is even more important imo, which is why Liverpool have been successful, and the reason for that mainly is Klopp imo. And Liverpool for me don't have any unique players.. You could possibly point to TAA as someone that has fantastic passing ability but his defensive game isn't the best, and the guys behind him have the ability to control large space in 1v1 situations, which provides the platform for him to thrive.

Liverpool bought Fabinho as a DM, and Thiago from my understanding was bought to provide a controlled rest phase in possession, because the high intensity heavy metal football is taxing on the body. But i'm not sure he's been as good for them, as was expected.

I'm not saying Ruiz is defensively limited but rather he's someone who isn't best suited to a compact high block. And in such a setup he'll have to defend in 1v1 situations and help with applying pressure high up the pitch to enforce the press. And from what I've seen he's quite slow, very left footed and would get bypassed easily. He's gonna be 26 in about a months time and I'd be surprised if he leaves Italy for England. But he's being linked to Arsenal and playing under Arteta may suit him. I personally think the smaller more diminutive players have a advantage here. But if the aim is to setup in a low/mid block, he'd be fine.
 
I agree you need the players but the method of play is even more important imo, which is why Liverpool have been successful, and the reason for that mainly is Klopp imo. And Liverpool for me don't have any unique players.. You could possibly point to TAA as someone that has fantastic passing ability but his defensive game isn't the best, and the guys behind him have the ability to control large space in 1v1 situations, which provides the platform for him to thrive.

Liverpool bought Fabinho as a DM, and Thiago from my understanding was bought to provide a controlled rest phase in possession, because the high intensity heavy metal football is taxing on the body. But i'm not sure he's been as good for them, as was expected.

I'm not saying Ruiz is defensively limited but rather he's someone who isn't best suited to a compact high block. And in such a setup he'll have to defend in 1v1 situations and help with applying pressure high up the pitch to enforce the press. And from what I've seen he's quite slow, very left footed and would get bypassed easily. He's gonna be 26 in about a months time and I'd be surprised if he leaves Italy for England. But he's being linked to Arsenal and playing under Arteta may suit him. I personally think the smaller more diminutive players have a advantage here. But if the aim is to setup in a low/mid block, he'd be fine.

Alexander-Arnold is definitely unique in what he provides for them. I don't think many full-backs do this:



Both Fabinho and Thiago are clear upgrades in terms of passing compared to Henderson and Milner, which was my point. Even if Thiago hasn't been as good as they probably hoped for, the intention is clear there.

I am not sure I agree on Fabian Ruiz or that it is as definitive as you say. He's definitely not the quickest, but he also doesn't need to be quickest to be effective in pressing situations. I don't think he is going to leave Napoli for England either, however his passing and ball-carrying ability are exactly what we are missing in my eyes, so much so that I think his shortcomings do not outweigh his strengths. Especially if we could combine him Tchouaméni, they could complement each other well.
 
FW - we will loss Cavani, Greenwood, Martial in the summer, and probably Ronaldo too. We badly need a new FW.
DM - we could play 1 good DM to get the job done instead of two (McFred). This would improve our midfield significantly.
CM - we badly need quality in midfield, someone who could actually pass the fecking ball around. Plus we are going to loss Pogba anyway,
RB - we need a decent attacking right back who could cross, AWB is lacking in attacking, Dalot isn't really quality
CB - we need to find someone who won't be beaten easily by pace, and someone who isn't slow and prone to stupid errors (to replace Maguire)
 
Very weak player. We need press resistant midfielders who can keep the ball without passing options. Ruiz needs them, and, even with him playing as the main man for Napoli with a load of passing options - which he wouldn’t get here - he’s still underwhelming. Doesn’t have the ability to control a game against good opposition because that’s when his weaknesses due to lack of space come to the forefront.
 
Very weak player. We need press resistant midfielders who can keep the ball without passing options. Ruiz needs them, and, even with him playing as the main man for Napoli with a load of passing options - which he wouldn’t get here - he’s still underwhelming. Doesn’t have the ability to control a game against good opposition because that’s when his weaknesses due to lack of space come to the forefront.

He's in the 97th percentile of passes made under pressure, while also being in the 96th percentile of passes completed. Literally among the best players in Europe in those categories. He also is in the 74th percentile when it comes to being dispossessed.

Meanwhile you post this in the Matic thread (I agree with the general point of your post here):
Shows how important a press resistant midfielder who can add composure to a team is.

We could've got a younger version of him in Arthur in January, but nope. Milan's Bennacer is probably the most like-for-like player, though.

Bennacer is the 82nd percentile of passes made under pressure, while being in the 82nd percentile of passes completed. He also gets dispossessed more, he's among the worst 15th percent of midfielders in that category.

This all coincides with the eyes test. I'd love to know what makes him weak or underwhelming, when he's been next to Anguissa, one of the best midfield pairings in Italy this season. Napoli were literally leading the league until he got injured around New Year's.
 
There seems to be a lot of agreement.

We need a relatively tall (6 ft or so) striker with some quickness and energy. A #9 that can score with his head, but also make runs and create his own goals. Someone like Cavani, but younger. I think of Nunez at Benefica, or Haaland, or Andre Silva. Losing Cavani, Greenwood, and probably Ronaldo is major.

We also need another creative CM, a #8, to replace Pogba and work with Fernandes in a 4-3-3 formation. I used to think we should get rid of Fred, but I'd say that he has shown himself to be an adequate back-up as a #8. It's possible that DVB will show that he can be this player in his time at Everton, IDK. Hopefully, Hannibal will eventually be able to fit into this role. But for now, both Bruno and Pogba have difficulty when teams press high. We need a #8, that can handle the press, score some goals, and be creative. Is there another Paul Scholes anywhere?

We also need a DM, a #6. McTominay does a decent job. I like his energy and aggressiveness, but he does not handle a high press well, either. His passing under any pressure leaves a bit to be desired, also. He is a good back up, but we need a solid DM that can be relied on, both defensively to guard the two CBs and to get the ball forward.

RB is the other area where we need someone. I would say that - at the present moment - is our weakest position. AWB is weak both defensively and in attack. He does well at sliding tackles, and he can handle one-on-one defense over a few yards. But he lacks pace and doesn't get back on defense, often leaving the two CBs exposed on counterattacks. Dalot keeps showing potential, but never living up to it. He gets in a good position to cross the ball and then sends the ball to Sheffield.

I wouldn't spend money on any wingers. Sancho, Elanga, Rashford, Amad, Pelestri, and more in the youth team should do us well. I know Rashford has been out of form, but I don't expect that to last.
 
CM - Tielemans or Ruiz (40m)
DM - Tchouameni or Rice (65m)
ATT - Amine Gouiri (30m)
CB - Nicole Schlotterbeck (25m)
RB - Cuadrado or Mazraoui (free)

We should be able to bring the net spend to 100m or less when we sell the likes of Martial, Henderson, Bailly etc

-------------------------------Ronaldo--------------------------------

Gouri------------------------Bruno----------------------Sancho

-----------------Tielemans--------Tchouameni----------------

Shaw-------Schlotterbeck-----Varane------Cuadrado

---------------------------------De Gea------------------------------
 
What we need will depend on the next manager, the style he wants to play, and the formation he wants to pick.

It'll be a very different transfer window if the future is 532 versus 433 or 4231.

I know we've been very much stuck in 4231 for the last few years, but there's going to be a massive turnover in players this summer. This will be the best opportunity in ages to try and rejig our philosophy.

I actually think a 532 (or 5221) would really suit some of the players. Maguire and Lindelof are both very good at marauding up the pitch to join the midfield so should be able to work on either side of Varane (who'd be a sweeper). And we already have a midfielder/defender hybrid who's great at dribbling in McTominay who could step when needed. Plus, all our fullbacks are shit at their defensive positioning so should be at least tried as wingbacks. The main reason not to in the past was all the in-form wingers we used to have. But those numbers seem to be dwindling now.
 
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CM - Tielemans or Ruiz (40m)
DM - Tchouameni or Rice (65m)
ATT - Amine Gouiri (30m)
CB - Nicole Schlotterbeck (25m)
RB - Cuadrado or Mazraoui (free)

We should be able to bring the net spend to 100m or less when we sell the likes of Martial, Henderson, Bailly etc

-------------------------------Ronaldo--------------------------------

Gouri------------------------Bruno----------------------Sancho

-----------------Tielemans--------Tchouameni----------------

Shaw-------Schlotterbeck-----Varane------Cuadrado

---------------------------------De Gea------------------------------
You want us to spend 100m and still have a 37 year old striker as well as sell all his backups?
 
I have read about ten Hag's time at Utrecht and he's definitely shown the ability to be creative in the transfer market and would potentially be a good fit for us in that regard. I also agree that Pochettino will look to buy ready made players, and Harry Kane will be someone he will try and saddle us with, which imo would be the wrong move due to the potential high fee and the players age.

For me it's about creating conditions for a particular way of playing the game. And to create those conditions, you don't necessarily have to pay a premium for any player. And for that reason I want ten Hag to be appointed, along with the man's ability to implement a high tempo, fast transition play style, which is flexible, as well as having a mix of Cruyffian and outside influences. It's more difficult to implement this sort of game style, but if he succeeds, then not only will we have the chance to see devastating attacking football at first team level, but the football will seep through to the youth teams imo.

Even if Benfica knock Ajax out, I still hope we appoint ten Hag.

Agreed. I'm sick of galactico football. High fees and wages for players who aren't interested in anything but a paycheck, paid by idiots in the boardroom, more interested in social media hits than football, consistently making the wrong decision. I just want to see a team out there not a group of individuals. I'm happy for any player to go and optimistic towards any player that comes in. No more brand name players, just a group who work for each other, presses hard, plays quickly and expresses themselves.

The new manager is the most important decision, not the players. I'm hoping for Ten Hag but if he doesn't want the job I'd be happy with Enrique or Potter.
 
Agreed. I'm sick of galactico football. High fees and wages for players who aren't interested in anything but a paycheck, paid by idiots in the boardroom, more interested in social media hits than football, consistently making the wrong decision. I just want to see a team out there not a group of individuals. I'm happy for any player to go and optimistic towards any player that comes in. No more brand name players, just a group who work for each other, presses hard, plays quickly and expresses themselves.

The new manager is the most important decision, not the players. I'm hoping for Ten Hag but if he doesn't want the job I'd be happy with Enrique or Potter.
Completely agree with you buddy.
 
What is maximum number people think we will bring in this summer. I would say 4 then depends on money from sales
 
What is maximum number people think we will bring in this summer. I would say 4 then depends on money from sales
Probably 3 - 4. I think there are 3 positions that are certain we would want to reinforce: ST, Romano has said we want a striker. DM also because it's been on our mind since last summer and then CM to replace Pogba.

I'd say any other additional signing would be dependent on sales. A CB would probably be the likeliest in this situaution since Tuanzebe and Bailly are likely to be sold
 
We are going nowhere until the club signs a midfielder who can control the tempo of the game, someone who actually has a brain. We need Modric/Kroos, Jorginho etc.
Plus a physical, tall DM who is also at least decent on the ball.

Rice/Tchouameni+Caqueret [or whoever else], is that too much to ask?
 
Sign a proper goalkeeper and a holding midfielder and it would completely change the team.
 
CM - Tielemans or Ruiz (40m)
DM - Tchouameni or Rice (65m)
ATT - Amine Gouiri (30m)
CB - Nicole Schlotterbeck (25m)
RB - Cuadrado or Mazraoui (free)

We should be able to bring the net spend to 100m or less when we sell the likes of Martial, Henderson, Bailly etc

-------------------------------Ronaldo--------------------------------

Gouri------------------------Bruno----------------------Sancho

-----------------Tielemans--------Tchouameni----------------

Shaw-------Schlotterbeck-----Varane------Cuadrado

---------------------------------De Gea------------------------------

Dreaming if you think we get Rice for £65m even though that should of course be the right kind of value. Great shout on Gouiri, named him in a thread I created 3/4seasons ago now as someone we should sign before his big injury. Think he is a really good finisher, only concern is he seems to be on the left a lot of the time now
 
Getting close to City, Liverpool etc isn't just about signing players but also about creating conditions for those players to impose their game on the opposition. Klopp at Liverpool did just that by coaching a compact high block with high pressing capabilities. And he did that with quick/athletic CBs who are comfortable defending a large space on the counter and midfielders like Henderson, Milner, Wijnaldum etc providing the intensity both in and out of possession, which aided the fullbacks to thrive and be ultra productive on the ball and provide the wide pressing trap option off the ball. That's basically how they control the game with and without the ball.

I do remember yourself not being sure about Neuhaus and you were if i'm not mistaken wanting the midfielder from Napoli, Fabian Ruiz. But in the game today one must sign players who are capable both in offensive and defensive transitions imo. And at big clubs, it's becoming very important to have your CBs, and deeper deployed midfielders to be strong in defensive transitions, defending a large space. So the likes of Neves would be a upgrade on Fred and Mctominay on the ball, but a down grade in defensive transitions high up the pitch in a compact high block. So when looking at a midfielder, I believe one must take into consideration the requirements in the game today both with and without the ball.

Agree with what you are saying here. But lets not forget (and liek you say isnt the be all and end all), over the first couple of seasons Klopp signed a LOT of players, the recruitment was superb though, the right hkind f players and all for the right problem positions. Not sure many thought Mane, Salah or Van Djik would have been anywhere near as good as they have been mind you, I certainly didnt anyway
 
Agree with what you are saying here. But lets not forget (and liek you say isnt the be all and end all), over the first couple of seasons Klopp signed a LOT of players, the recruitment was superb though, the right hkind f players and all for the right problem positions. Not sure many thought Mane, Salah or Van Djik would have been anywhere near as good as they have been mind you, I certainly didnt anyway
Tbh with you mate, recruitment is really really important. And imo Klopp wouldn't have won the the league without getting a little lucky with a number of signings that they made. And never mind Salah, Mane and Van Dijk, the capture of Robertson for £8m, was another bargain player that turned into a elite purchase at LB.

Even Leicester and their recruitment under Steve Walsh was superb, and it resulted in them winning the league with Ranieri. But Walsh couldn't repeat the same at Everton, because it's not easy to hit the jackpot with players like Mahrez and Kante for a combined 6 to 7 million GBPs. So I agree with what you're saying but you still need to create the conditions for the team to thrive if the aim is to play a imposing game on the front foot.
 
Well in an ideal world Laird, Garner, Mjebri, Amad can step up to be more prominent within the squad next season but no evidence yet any of them are ready or even good enough.

I think we need a rb for competition to Bissaka (its not Dalot or Williams), a cb as competition with a few cb moved on, 2 x cm, rw and st. Also if we sell Henderson a young keeper.

I think there are lots of good options:

Free: Romagnoli, Kessie, Kamara
Cheap: Vandervoordt
Quality £40m or under: Livaramento, Gravenburch, Araujo, Doku, Giouri, Sulemana
Big SIgnings: Tchounemi, Bellingham, Rice, Haaland, Dejong

Lots of other names but these are the ones I like from little to lots I have seen of them. Of course many may not be attainable but with the number of players leaving on free saving on wages maybe this summer, a few that maybe want to go tht hold value. a few younger and older players we may consider moving on and then others with value from the likes of Henderson and Bailly right up to big players liek Rashford/Maguire who ceretainly hold value and certainly appear expendable....get the right manager, get the clear out and transfer tsrgets planned.....for me this window has all the ingredients to be a huge rebuild with a near negative net spend.

Simply no excuses for a poor summer window I feel this time around...we NEED to get a manager sortede in plently of time with a clear structure for the summer transfers though
 
Tbh with you mate, recruitment is really really important. And imo Klopp wouldn't have won the the league without getting a little lucky with a number of signings that they made. And never mind Salah, Mane and Van Dijk, the capture of Robertson for £8m, was another bargain player that turned into a elite purchase at LB.

Even Leicester and their recruitment under Steve Walsh was superb, and it resulted in them winning the league with Ranieri. But Walsh couldn't repeat the same at Everton, because it's not easy to hit the jackpot with players like Mahrez and Kante for a combined 6 to 7 million GBPs. So I agree with what you're saying but you still need to create the conditions for the team to thrive if the aim is to play a imposing game on the front foot.

Yes completly agree. Is an element of luck. I think our recruitment has been so poor though. We have paid big fees for average/decent players, paid a lot of money for youngsters that havent even played games for there club right back to Martial, not signed anybody in key positions when its obviously been needed like cm in the summer etc etc

But yes have to be lucky as we have also signed some real quality players right back to Veron that simply havent worked out.

I know in the modern game its a lot harder to make bargain gem signings like Ferguson used to do, but I am probably missing someone, really cant think of the last one we have unearthed it seems a generation ago almost to me. But they are out there Livaramento for example at £5m, I get Chelsea had a lot of options there but the few games I saw him for there youth team, looked a top top player in the making and he is in glimpses already showig that at Southampton. There are players liek ihm there are free transfers liek Kamara who looks a top prospect. No guarantees a huge siging works let alone a bargain.gamble. Like you say the players need the conditions to excel in. But for me the biggest problem with our club right now is may of the players and we have spent million, bougght a fair few youngsers through the youth sides, yet we are still talking generally every season about needing at least four positions improving on (thats being conservative), its scary how much we look like Liverpool after there spell of dominance ended, we are in a modern version of those days, following such a similar path
 
Yes completly agree. Is an element of luck. I think our recruitment has been so poor though. We have paid big fees for average/decent players, paid a lot of money for youngsters that havent even played games for there club right back to Martial, not signed anybody in key positions when its obviously been needed like cm in the summer etc etc

But yes have to be lucky as we have also signed some real quality players right back to Veron that simply havent worked out.

I know in the modern game its a lot harder to make bargain gem signings like Ferguson used to do, but I am probably missing someone, really cant think of the last one we have unearthed it seems a generation ago almost to me. But they are out there Livaramento for example at £5m, I get Chelsea had a lot of options there but the few games I saw him for there youth team, looked a top top player in the making and he is in glimpses already showig that at Southampton. There are players liek ihm there are free transfers liek Kamara who looks a top prospect. No guarantees a huge siging works let alone a bargain.gamble. Like you say the players need the conditions to excel in. But for me the biggest problem with our club right now is may of the players and we have spent million, bougght a fair few youngsers through the youth sides, yet we are still talking generally every season about needing at least four positions improving on (thats being conservative), its scary how much we look like Liverpool after there spell of dominance ended, we are in a modern version of those days, following such a similar path
I think one of the big reasons why Liverpool and other clubs like Leicester have recruited better than us in the last 6 or 7 years is due to those club's having modernised recruitment structures, which enabled them to apply data science to back up their scouting of potential recruits. Their scouting process was far more thorough and ours was outdated until 2017, when it was reported that we'd completed the restructuring of the scouting department. I don't believe the advantage Liverpool and our rivals have, will last much longer.

If you have time, then read my second to last post in the deputy DoF thread, where I've provided far more detail and references.
 
Probably 3 - 4. I think there are 3 positions that are certain we would want to reinforce: ST, Romano has said we want a striker. DM also because it's been on our mind since last summer and then CM to replace Pogba.

I'd say any other additional signing would be dependent on sales. A CB would probably be the likeliest in this situaution since Tuanzebe and Bailly are likely to be sold
To really improve we need about four or five players but then five players would be a bridge to far in terms of bedding in the new players for the new season. A DM, Striker and CM are a must but when you consider that we get nothing from our right side, and it's been ages, one would think that an offensive RB would be in order to have balance and bite in attack from that side.

What would be most interesting for me is who will be the new manager and would they have the inclination and bravery to really bring in a young player or two into the first team fold. I am thinking that if we have a brave manager keen to play youth we could sign Tchouameni and promote Garner to be Pogba's De facto replacement, McT or Fred are ready to play the defensive box to box role should Garner fail to impress but I think he has the skill set to grow into a fine deeplying playmaker imo, he has had the experience in a tough league to adapt to the demands of regular first team football and is ready to contribute at United. What remains to be seen over the course of a season is whether he is ready to do it as a starter or squad player.

Another area we should look at is trying to upgrade the quality of our squad options. Even though some of them have done well when called upon I am not really impressed with what Dalot, Telles, Bailly and Tuanzebe bring to the table in terms of being genuine threats to the starters and keeping them on their toes. If we sold them we should be getting £60m or so and then if we added Henderson to the outs (doesn't make sense to have a back up keeper on £120k/wk who never plays) we could end up with £80m - £85m - which should be enough to bring in another LB and CB for the squad whilst relegating AWB to a squad role.
 
We really need to prioritise a striker and two central midfielders this summer. I’m not too worried about the defenders and think that Laird and Fernandez should be given opportunities to step up at full back. Garner will be given a chance to stake a claim too I think.

We desperately need a strong and consistent number 9, a deep lying defensive midfielder that is press resistant and a creative centre mid.

With all the departures there could be lots of opportunities for the likes of Shola, Garnacho and Mejbri too
 
United's problem for some years now is that they aren't a counter attacking team and they aren't a pressing team they're just stuck in no-mans land playing 5 attackers who aren't really bothered about recovering the ball / recovering their position when they lose the ball. if you want to play Pogba, Bruno, Ronaldo and two wingers, you're going to somehow need to compensate for the fact none of those 5 are very interested in defending.

the other options are a major rebuild of your squad which will take even more dosh and time than you've already spent, or try playing a more balanced side by dropping some 2 or 3 of the luxury players. but this will probably piss off some of your superstars and/or the fans who want to see them play. I think that's probably the best option though.
 
Pogba, Ronaldo and Greenwood all need replacing from the starting line-up and we need to finally replace Michael Carrick. Any other positions added are a bonus, they can wait.
 
The need for a new striker is looking more and more important. I think that is now equal priority with CM/DM.

1 = Striker
1= CM/DM
3 RB

They way we are playing is not too bad so I think if we sort the above we’ll be radically improved.

However, the level of quality we need will cost a load of money and, of course, more than we can afford.
 
Manager first.

But I'm a big advocate for snapping up the best players from relegation candidate teams.

Who would you grab from the teams fighting relegation?

DCL
Sarr
Doucoure
Raphinha
Phillips
Aaron's
Weghorst
 
Manager first.

But I'm a big advocate for snapping up the best players from relegation candidate teams.

Who would you grab from the teams fighting relegation?

DCL
Sarr
Doucoure
Raphinha
Phillips
Aaron's
Weghorst
It depends how much they cost, I suppose. Out of that lot I’d take Raphinha and DCL if we could afford them but not anybody better.
 
He's in the 97th percentile of passes made under pressure, while also being in the 96th percentile of passes completed. Literally among the best players in Europe in those categories. He also is in the 74th percentile when it comes to being dispossessed.

Meanwhile you post this in the Matic thread (I agree with the general point of your post here):


Bennacer is the 82nd percentile of passes made under pressure, while being in the 82nd percentile of passes completed. He also gets dispossessed more, he's among the worst 15th percent of midfielders in that category.

This all coincides with the eyes test. I'd love to know what makes him weak or underwhelming, when he's been next to Anguissa, one of the best midfield pairings in Italy this season. Napoli were literally leading the league until he got injured around New Year's.
It's not just about passes. As I said, he relies too much on needing passing options which he gets plenty of at Napoli due to the style they play compared to what he'd have here. It's also about how you keep the ball when there's no options. Whether that be beating your man, using your agility to pull a la Pelopina, thus changing directions giving you more space and time, using your strength to shield the ball and win fouls due to the opponent niggling away at you. These are all things Ruiz lacks.

Lobotka is the type of midfielder Napoli have that we need. A press resistant sitting midfielder.

As for Bennacer, he's not top quality in that regard, so he won't always keep the ball, but he's more adapt at keeping the ball under pressure with little options compared to Ruiz. His ball carrying, shielding of the ball and agile turns are just better, imo. Napoli just create better options in regards to passing than most which Ruiz benefits from. In a team that isn't as organised, I think he would struggle.

Not to say Ruiz is bad. He's decent, but not the type of cm i care for.
 
Blimey. Where to begin.

Kamara
Antony
Neves
Limerinto
Isak

or

Sell

CR7
Rashford
Bruno

Get

Rice
Tielemans
Kane
Mbappe

:lol:
 
Blimey. Where to begin.

Kamara
Antony
Neves
Limerinto
Isak

or

Sell

CR7
Rashford
Bruno

Get

Rice
Tielemans
Kane
Mbappe

:lol:

Top one, we need to stop buying stars because hasn't worked that well in years.

Terrifying to think you can make a case for us needing 7 PLAYERS.

LB
RB
CB
DM
CM
RW
ST
 
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Radical overhaul needed so cheapish, hidden gem signings preferable. Promote youth to fill the squad. The below is probably way too radical but I think we have way too many players with bad attitudes and unsuited for a modern play style.

Out permanently - Henderson, Grant, Maguire, Bailly, Jones, Tuanzebe, Wan-Bissaka, Shaw, Williams, Levitt, Galbraith, Pereira, Pogba, Mata, Lingard, Matic, Cavani, Ronaldo, Greenwood, Martial, Mellor, Stanley, Devine

Loaned out - Kovar, Bishop, Pellistri, Chong, Diallo, Mengi

In - Sosa (Stuttgart, 20m), Schlotterbeck (Freiburg, 20m) or Bremer (Torino, 20m), Kamara (Marseille, Free), Tete (Shakhtar, 40m), Nunez (Benfica, 50m), De Ketelaere (Brugge, 30m)

GK: De Gea, Heaton, Vitek, Mastny
RB: Dalot, Laird, Wellens
LB: Sosa, Telles/Fernandez, Pye
CD: Varane, Schlotterbeck or Bremer, Lindelof, Bernard, Fish, Hardley
DM: Kamara, Garner, Savage, Šviderský
CM: McTominay, Fred, Iqbal, Hansen-Aaröen, Mainoo
AM: Bruno Fernandes, Van de Beek, Mejbri
RW: Tete, Elanga, Shoretire
LW: Sancho, Rashford, Garnacho
ST: Nunez, De Ketelaere, McNeill, Hugill

160m spend approx but lots of that made up through sales. We’d be weaker next season and probably miss out on CL but far more coherent in terms of style. We’d develop the season after to being stronger than now IMHO. I’d take an inconsistent but promising year finishing 6th with a view to being top drawer a year or so later as opposed to something like this season with declining, unmotivated players, a hodgepodge of styles with no clear squad vision.
 
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Would love us to get

CB Rudiger
LB ?
RB Lamptey
DM Tchouameni or Kamara if looking for value
CM Neves
RW Raphinha (if Leeds go down)
ST Nunez
 
Yermey Pino would be a good one to look at for the RW. 4 goals today against Espanyol, only 19. Was handy against us too when we played.