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What’s Real Madrid’s secret?
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It boggles my mind how many CL's they've won in the last decade despite being nothing special as a team. They're good, but they have never once impressed me. They aren't dominating like Guardiola or even Klopp's teams yet, they barely manage to win their league most of the time yet they keep winning the CL almost every year. At this point I'm starting to believe it's written and the team is basically the protagonist of the competition. They'll always find a way to win it no matter what.
You make your own luck. There's a reason why they own the competition, even if they seem to be shite.There's always luck involved, in almost every cup run, ever.... being pedantic.
But fair enough, your point still stands.
Mbappe gonna come here, and displace a player who is actually better than him, at the club level, simply because he is more marketable.
The tragedy, in all this success.
The tragedy, in all this success.
Who will he displace? Vinicius is 100% a starter. Maybe Rodrygo will be benched or one of the midfielders.
Yh heard that too and it makes sense. Real have a simple structure unlike so many modern clubs
Spain as a country have been brilliant since the 90s in club and then international level so that in part has helped them and other Spanish teams. Madrid went around 32 years without winning it.
Perez and co have been a very important in this tremendous run in more recent times, the recruitment and hunches about players is generally spot on, what a signing Modric has been from Spurs. You can't get everything right as we see in Hazard but overall they get it right, they dodge Pogba that Zidane wanted but go all in for Bellingham.
Perez and co have been a very important in this tremendous run in more recent times, the recruitment and hunches about players is generally spot on, what a signing Modric has been from Spurs. You can't get everything right as we see in Hazard but overall they get it right, they dodge Pogba that Zidane wanted but go all in for Bellingham.
Salty tears from rival fans makes us stronger
Vomit inducing much.
Won 3 CL's between '98 and 2002 but then had a period where they couldn't get into the semi's.
Does it? They've won numerous CL's without even winning their league. They've always been plucky in their victories in contrast to Guardiola's team that relentlessly dominate 99% of their matches. Never saw a Madrid team under Ancelotti or Zidane being anything special yet the results speak for themselevs. I'd even go as far as to argue Mourinho's record breaking season with Madrid where he took the title from Pep's Barca as ten times more impressive, yet didn't win a single CL. It's just interesting.
But he is though, Mbappe is a ghost in the UCL, this season and last.
Mbappe plays the same position as Vinicius, on the heatmap, he is not going to RM to play at RW, get a grip.
Still works
As a Real fan, you should know that Mbappe will replace Rodrygo and start on the "right" but realistically if Ancelotti is still around you'll do what you'll always do.
Which is Rodrygo ends up spending most of the game overloading the left with Vini and Valverde drifts wide on the right. So I don't expect anything to change tactically in that regard. Or maybe vini starts on the "right" on the lineups but does the drifting.
Madrid's system is kind of funny, it's basically playing with two left forwards.
He wasn't a ghost this season and Mbappe's UCL performances contain all-timers. You get a grip.
As for the 2nd bolded: You'll adopt a set-up where it mimics what you did against City and Mbappe will be more central with freedom to roam.
He was though, and also last season, no grip needed.
As for the last part, Mbappe and Vinicius has basically identical heat maps, position on paper does not matter, they will get in each others way, not built to last.
He wasn't a ghost this season. Last season sure, but he can't win 1vs11.
I agree that they operate in similar channels, but you'll use that set up I mentioned in all likelihood.
Also, I'm pretty sure you and the other Madridistas on this forum will sing Mbappe's praises more than Vinicius' in a year's time.
You may think it is a joke, but to clarify, i'm not actually joking when i say Vinicius these days is better than Mbappe at literally everything but finishing, and Mbappe running a bit faster in a straight line, i guess.
There is no purpose to this signing, other than marketing, Perez getting to finally relive his galactico-days, after he was "robbed" of Neymar, and then Mbappe earlier rejecting him.
All the top talent that's not a barca lover wants to play for them. And that's it.
We had Ronaldo... He wanted to go there.
We wanted camavinga, he only wanted them.
We wanted tchouameni, he only wanted them.
Mbappe only wants them.
And the list can go on and on and on.
We had Ronaldo... He wanted to go there.
We wanted camavinga, he only wanted them.
We wanted tchouameni, he only wanted them.
Mbappe only wants them.
And the list can go on and on and on.
Come back to this in a year when they're in the same team.
If Vinicius out-performs Mbappe next season, I'll hold my hand up and admit I'm wrong too.
Cold hard cash
Incredible club. Winning just runs through them. Fans demand the best, managers have to deliver it and every player dreams of them. Crazy.
15 champions league wins. In contrast, I just read that, apparently, Arsenal has only gone past the quarter finals stage of the CL twice, in their entire history.
15 champions league wins. In contrast, I just read that, apparently, Arsenal has only gone past the quarter finals stage of the CL twice, in their entire history.
6 CLs in the supposed era of City and Liverpool dominance
Given the chance to sign either Mbappe or Vinicius on a free, there's no team or manager in the world that would take Vinicius over Mbappe, not a single one.
They went 40 games unbeaten at one point under Zidane, what the feck are you talking about? They abused top teams in the UCL time and again. They have been one of the more enjoyable teams to watch since CR7 first moved there, and one of the few that hasn't succumbed to the Pep-carbon copy "positional play" robotic football that so many other teams have looked to replicate.
Yes they might not have a team that was as dominant as 2011 Barca, the greatest team of all time most likely. But you're hilariously acting like they played like fecking Leicester city and managed to luck into 6 UCL titles in the past decade
I'll be interested in who the odd man out will be.
I think Jude slowing down in the second half makes it a bit easier on Ancellotti to move him deeper and shift back to a more traditional 433.
You can call one or two CL wins lucky but they have won 6 itself in the last decade. Can't call that lucky. They are just a ruthless club who treat football as a simple game where the ultimate goal is to win. Feck the tactical nuances and making the game boring. You play to win and by winning you entertain the fans, that is what they do. Top top club.
They celebrated that win like some teams celebrate winning a preseason game. It’s basically like City winning the title and Bayern winning the title before this season. Just a lot of smiles and high fives. Very lowkey. Some of their own fans are could barely muster up anything more than mild indifference.
Excellent recruitment, made easier by having top players that other players want to play with. They've already almost rebuilt their 2017 team with barely any effort. Camavinga for £35m? Mbappe for free?
It's what we should've started doing in 2009. Instead we got the Glazers and their £70m PIK debt interest payments, so we shopped in the bargain bin and signed Obertan, Valencia and Owen. If the Glazers weren't only interested in wealth extraction, we could've been what Real are. Instead we're just a worn down slush fund for the Glazer kids.
It's what we should've started doing in 2009. Instead we got the Glazers and their £70m PIK debt interest payments, so we shopped in the bargain bin and signed Obertan, Valencia and Owen. If the Glazers weren't only interested in wealth extraction, we could've been what Real are. Instead we're just a worn down slush fund for the Glazer kids.
The secret is that they are a huge club and, unlike the other two clubs who could have matched them on resources and pull until this crazy era of CL wins (Barcelona and United), they actually spend their money on top players.
They sign mostly A or A+ players and get a few wrong (Kaka, Hazard) but players of that quality usually do deliver. In contrast, United focus on signing B class players hoping for them to become A class and their only signing in the last 20 years who was widely considered world class (or potentially world class) and not past his prime was Pogba.
Edit: Also De Gea, but the point stands.
Barcelona have been so poorly run it is not even worth addressing.
To sum it up, given the decline of Serie A, the only two clubs could have realistically challeneged Madrid in this era were United and Barcelona but fd it up due to horrendous management.
Ten years ago, they were still the biggest club in the world, but it was close. Now, it is not even a debate anymore.
They sign mostly A or A+ players and get a few wrong (Kaka, Hazard) but players of that quality usually do deliver. In contrast, United focus on signing B class players hoping for them to become A class and their only signing in the last 20 years who was widely considered world class (or potentially world class) and not past his prime was Pogba.
Edit: Also De Gea, but the point stands.
Barcelona have been so poorly run it is not even worth addressing.
To sum it up, given the decline of Serie A, the only two clubs could have realistically challeneged Madrid in this era were United and Barcelona but fd it up due to horrendous management.
Ten years ago, they were still the biggest club in the world, but it was close. Now, it is not even a debate anymore.
If a manager is not doing well, they sack him quickly, without second thoughts.
They don't wait for the manager to finish 8th just because SAF finished 12th fifty years ago.
They don't wait for the manager to finish 8th just because SAF finished 12th fifty years ago.
Constant rub of the green from officials certainly doesn’t do them any harm.
Real Madrid teams were nothing special?
Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo
Kroos - Casemiro - Modric
Marcelo - Ramos - Varane - Carvajal
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feck me, that's three different balon d'or winners there, 4 world cup winners, 2 copa america winners, and Bale.
The only team from 2000-2024 that was more stacked than this team was the 2009-2013 Barcelona teams.
Bale - Benzema - Ronaldo
Kroos - Casemiro - Modric
Marcelo - Ramos - Varane - Carvajal
Navas
feck me, that's three different balon d'or winners there, 4 world cup winners, 2 copa america winners, and Bale.
The only team from 2000-2024 that was more stacked than this team was the 2009-2013 Barcelona teams.
If that's all it took, we'd be up there too
This
And being ruthless
We really could't have been what Real Madrid are. We have never been able to attract the caliber of players they can. We were the best team in the world and yet our best player wanted to go for them when they had a period where they couldn't get past the last 16 of the CL and were getting bullied by Barcelona domestically. In the same year, they signed the previous Balon d'Or winner from the multi CL winning team at the time AC Milan in Kaka. Before him, they took Figo from Barcelona and Zidane from Juventus. The current best English talent only wanted to join them and the guy tipped to be the next best thing in world football had his eyes set up on them and only them and will be joining this summer.
When have we or, in fact, any other club, had that pull? We always had a strong pull on the British and maybe Northern European players. But when it comes to the Balon d'Or category of talent, at their peak, we have never been in that market. Maybe Barcelona and when it was at its peak, the big Serie A clubs could attract those players but certainly not England or Germany.