What’s going on at Nottingham Forest?

It doesn't matter how prolific a manager is, football still lives and dies with a club demonstrating good recruitment.

It's where Chelsea / Forest are able to mitigate spending years with the same manager and bringing someone in who can work with a balanced squad.
 
I maintain they were actually pretty terrible against us. Not sure how we lost it.
 
I'm definitely impressed by his work although for me he's a worse manager than Marco Silva and Vítor Pereira. I don't deny the quality of his work for Forest but I don't like how Nuno setups teams.
 
Solius said:
I maintain they were actually pretty terrible against us. Not sure how we lost it.
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They were terrible and you got football'd. They also weren't good at Anfield either

They've rode a pretty big lucky streak so far. Not that they haven't been good, but not currently top 4 good
 
giorno said:
They were terrible and you got football'd. They also weren't good at Anfield either

They've rode a pretty big lucky streak so far. Not that they haven't been good, but not currently top 4 good
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For what it's worth they're the biggest ovarachivers versus expected points in the league both on Opta and Undertat's versions of all that. Each of those has them in 11th.

I know I know, who cares all about that when they're getting results? Eye test would say the same though, there's been a few times when they've got a win in an even game, maybe the odd win when the other team edges it in terms of chances, or a point where they were slightly second best. Football full of variance and tight situations like that. It doesn't take much.

It's nothing scanadalous, just like the actual table has 5th-9th packed so close togehter it's pretty much the same with all the underlying stats. At least one or two of those teams will get the rub of the green, that's Forest right now which has elevated them above those clubs. More of them will be in the middle (that current cluster) and one or two perhaps a bit unlucky, Spurs 3-4 points down on those kind of metrics, a bit lower United too.

Funnily enough United v Forest was one of those games a bit like that for them and Forest v Spurs yesterday was quite even. Those results could easily have been different.

None of this means they'll fall off, even if they get "fair" results the rest of the season they've got that advanatge now.
 
Chipper said:
For what it's worth they're the biggest ovarachivers versus expected points in the league both on Opta and Undertat's versions of all that. Each of those has them in 11th.

I know I know, who cares all about that when they're getting results? Eye test would say the same though, there's been a few times when they've got a win in an even game, maybe the odd win when the other team edges it in terms of chances, or a point where they were slightly second best. Football full of variance and tight situations like that. It doesn't take much.

It's nothing scanadalous, just like the actual table has 5th-9th packed so close togehter it's pretty much the same with all the underlying stats. At least one or two of those teams will get the rub of the green, that's Forest right now which has elevated them above those clubs. More of them will be in the middle (that current cluster) and one or two perhaps a bit unlucky, Spurs 3-4 points down on those kind of metrics, a bit lower United too.

Funnily enough United v Forest was one of those games a bit like that for them and Forest v Spurs yesterday was quite even. Those results could easily have been different.

None of this means they'll fall off, even if they get "fair" results the rest of the season they've got that advanatge now.
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Interesting that, aside from us, Bournemouth are the biggest underachievers, with xPts having them in 3rd. Maybe we should be asking what's going on there instead? Although as you say, the densely-packed upper-mid table makes these stats a bit finicky at the moment.
 
There is always one team that overperforms drastically every few seasons. We saw it with the likes of Girona, Stuttgart and Bologna last season. Forest is that team this season. They will revert to type soon enough.
 
They signed a player they desperately needed, Milnenkovic.

Think they had the worst set piece defending record in the league last season so that's the key, sign a decent player who can stop some of those goals.

He's like prime Vidic currently alongside Murillo who's a good player but still needed someone to lead him a bit.
 
CunningLinguist said:
There is always one team that overperforms drastically every few seasons. We saw it with the likes of Girona, Stuttgart and Bologna last season. Forest is that team this season. They will revert to type soon enough.
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I’m not so sure that they will revert to type. They have some good players and a very astute manager plus an ambitious owner who doesn’t mind spending money.
 
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