What’s going on at Nottingham Forest?
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It doesn't matter how prolific a manager is, football still lives and dies with a club demonstrating good recruitment.
It's where Chelsea / Forest are able to mitigate spending years with the same manager and bringing someone in who can work with a balanced squad.
It's where Chelsea / Forest are able to mitigate spending years with the same manager and bringing someone in who can work with a balanced squad.
I maintain they were actually pretty terrible against us. Not sure how we lost it.
A sweet win for Santos today who Spursy got rid of in less than a month.
I'm definitely impressed by his work although for me he's a worse manager than Marco Silva and Vítor Pereira. I don't deny the quality of his work for Forest but I don't like how Nuno setups teams.
They were terrible and you got football'd. They also weren't good at Anfield either
They've rode a pretty big lucky streak so far. Not that they haven't been good, but not currently top 4 good
For what it's worth they're the biggest ovarachivers versus expected points in the league both on Opta and Undertat's versions of all that. Each of those has them in 11th.
I know I know, who cares all about that when they're getting results? Eye test would say the same though, there's been a few times when they've got a win in an even game, maybe the odd win when the other team edges it in terms of chances, or a point where they were slightly second best. Football full of variance and tight situations like that. It doesn't take much.
It's nothing scanadalous, just like the actual table has 5th-9th packed so close togehter it's pretty much the same with all the underlying stats. At least one or two of those teams will get the rub of the green, that's Forest right now which has elevated them above those clubs. More of them will be in the middle (that current cluster) and one or two perhaps a bit unlucky, Spurs 3-4 points down on those kind of metrics, a bit lower United too.
Funnily enough United v Forest was one of those games a bit like that for them and Forest v Spurs yesterday was quite even. Those results could easily have been different.
None of this means they'll fall off, even if they get "fair" results the rest of the season they've got that advanatge now.
Interesting that, aside from us, Bournemouth are the biggest underachievers, with xPts having them in 3rd. Maybe we should be asking what's going on there instead? Although as you say, the densely-packed upper-mid table makes these stats a bit finicky at the moment.
There is always one team that overperforms drastically every few seasons. We saw it with the likes of Girona, Stuttgart and Bologna last season. Forest is that team this season. They will revert to type soon enough.
They signed a player they desperately needed, Milnenkovic.
Think they had the worst set piece defending record in the league last season so that's the key, sign a decent player who can stop some of those goals.
He's like prime Vidic currently alongside Murillo who's a good player but still needed someone to lead him a bit.
Think they had the worst set piece defending record in the league last season so that's the key, sign a decent player who can stop some of those goals.
He's like prime Vidic currently alongside Murillo who's a good player but still needed someone to lead him a bit.
I’m not so sure that they will revert to type. They have some good players and a very astute manager plus an ambitious owner who doesn’t mind spending money.
Starting to strongly believe now they could finish in the top 5 which potentially gets them a champions league spot
I hope so
Tottenham must be looking at Nuno and be absolutely fuming they couldnt get whatever Nottingham is getting out of him
At Wolves and Forrest he's allowed to play his own way. It was deemed too negative for Spurs and so he had to try and change it up. That's how I saw it anyway.
Having a strong CB partnership is so fecking key. It's why our most successful era came when we had Rio and Vidic. Milenkovic and Murillo are fantastic.
You're probably joking but honestly can we say its a lie? Chelsea and Forest are showing us that if you're revamping a squad not fit for purpose then it needs to be a total revamp and not a partial one. That means gutting the entire squad, putting nearly everyone up for sale,not haggling over price and starting again from scratch.
They're massively overperforming over a relatively short run. 2nd in the table, but 9th for xG difference. You can bank on them dropping off.
But still, even if they were just 9th it would be an excellent season.
But still, even if they were just 9th it would be an excellent season.
Since time immemorial every season there is a team that pulls above its weight and outperforms. Forest is that team this season.
He’s so fecking likeable
And they have both shown us that owners should pay zero attention to what Gary Neville says rather success comes by doing the exact opposite.
They’re playing BaldBall, but actually playing it very well.
The defense it's strong, they are cohesive, Woods it's scoring, they look pragmatic and solid and the coach looks smart and a proper fine lad.
PD: some games Nico Dominguez reminds me of an Ali Express version of Mac Allister in terms of doing lots of stuff to assure the team does not loose its shape and gain certain control.
PD: some games Nico Dominguez reminds me of an Ali Express version of Mac Allister in terms of doing lots of stuff to assure the team does not loose its shape and gain certain control.
Win on Monday and they're tied with Arsenal in 2nd with 40 points after 20 games. What the feck?
Wow.
Nuno should get the manager of the season award. He won't though.
Great to see Aina and CHO getting so much game time for them.
Brilliant defense, one of the best in the league. Good powerful, quick attacking players. Very good goal scorer. Be amazing if they get top 4, will be very difficult with the teams nearby
Smells little bit like Leicester that year they won Premier League.
Just been thinking the same thing.
They defend very very well
They’re basically screwed if any of their first choice front three get injured but if they can stay fit…
Aina is excellent, the top clubs should be looking at him on a free
Imagine if they beat Liverpool to the title.
Just imagine. Imagination is power
Just imagine. Imagination is power
Didn’t even know JWP was on their books. Popped up with an assist tonight. If he can start firing in freekicks that will give them an interesting new dimension.
The cool girls on tiktok call that manifesting
I still don't buy the hype. Even today's game had plenty in it for Wolves, the 3-0 flatters them significantly.
Elanga with a PL medal.
Same as any of the back four.
Same as any other club. You're screwed if your best players get injured.