You can disagree with policy decisions and I disagree with quite a few from Labour but in terms of gutter politics and nasty politicians, the Tories are in a league of their own.
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You can disagree with policy decisions and I disagree with quite a few from Labour but in terms of gutter politics and nasty politicians, the Tories are in a league of their own.
I cannot believe he is weaponising his daughter's murder to score cheap political points. I'm sure Kemi will tweet about this tonight.
Sunak is best described in When the sun goes down by the Artic Monkeys:
And what a scummy man
Just give him half a chance
I bet he'll rob you if he can
And what a scummy man
Just give him half a chance
I bet he'll rob you if he can
Also Starmer said on national television that Israel has the right to stop water and power from Gaza. That’s a war crime.
It’s sucks that Labour are now David Cameron Tory party but that is the reality we live.
Hang on are we saying we don't want paedo's locked up?
I thought judges were supposed to be independent of politicians
Also Starmer said on national television that Israel has the right to stop water and power from Gaza. That’s a war crime.
It’s sucks that Labour are now David Cameron Tory party but that is the reality we live.
Also Starmer said on national television that Israel has the right to stop water and power from Gaza. That’s a war crime.
It’s sucks that Labour are now David Cameron Tory party but that is the reality we live.
I don’t agree with Labours policy on Gaza. But I’ll judge them when they are in power. How much money have the Tories given to their mates and decimated public services. If you are comparing one poster to all of the dog whistle and culture war stuff that the Tories have done then it doesn’t even compare.
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Well done Charlie Brooker. You won. We are now living in a big Black Mirror episode.
The UK desperately needs proportional representation. Shame none of the Tories or Labour benefit from implementing it.
They're trying to chin him out of there
He won’t be leading them into an election, that much has been clear for ages. He’s devoid of charm, charisma and gravitas and on the contrary he’s actually a whiney little bitch that gets incredibly petulant under even the most minor questioning. He’s got virtually zero political capital left with any faction.
They will do the only thing they have left - elect an empty vessel of a populist charlatan. Honestly would not rule out a return for Johnson, Farage taking the mantle or someone as daft as Rees Mogg.
SUCH a punchable face, this Sunak guy.
Well it's not possible for them to elect Johnson or Farage as neither are current MPs. Rees Mogg would be even worse than. Sunak as he has nothing but contempt for anyone other than extreme right wing people and his reputation is as bad as anyone in the Tory party.
The only person who could realistically lead the party into a GE campaign and get any kind of boost would be Maudant, but honestly, changing leader now would be political suicide. Everyone can see that it's just desperate to change leader a few months before an election and will be used as a stick to beat them with in the campaign. They may as well simply accept their fate now and get it over with. Prolonging this and talking of changing leader again could finish their chances of being the main opposition party, which may not be a bad thing!
I thought judges were supposed to be independent of politicians
Politicians set sentencing guidelines, so if they wanted they could make prison mandatory. Realistically there isn't enough prison space at present so it would likely take years to implement.
"For the first time, global warming has exceeded 1.5C across an entire year, according to the EU's climate service."
Only 1 day after "Labour ditches environmental policy". Coincidentally also pretty much the only Labour policy anyone outside the Labour party could name. You couldn't make it up, and yet...compared to the government this party looks like geniuses!
Only 1 day after "Labour ditches environmental policy". Coincidentally also pretty much the only Labour policy anyone outside the Labour party could name. You couldn't make it up, and yet...compared to the government this party looks like geniuses!
Quite agree with you. I am very disappointed in Starmer U turn and it shows how weak he.
There's a chance that wellingborough won't be won by Labour - Even though the bookies have them as 7 to1 on to win, a lot of their core vote is upset with starmers pivot away from the left. . So any votes the tories lose to Reform (that ghoul Ben habib) will be cancelled out. Wonder if that will finally raise alarms with starmers people. The muslim vote is also finally starting to organise, with independent candidates starting campaigns in many so called Labour heartlands...
Good. Teaching labour a lesson will warm my heart whilst every national institution and freedom is further ground down under five more years of Tory government.
He will see the Reform vote and think “oh it appears I am in fact not far enough to the right”
Well, under Starmer's leadership you're effectively going to get another five years of it anyway.
It will be Penny Maudant or whatever her name is.
I honestly don’t understand why Sunak doesn’t just say feck it and call one now.
There is no way Morduant will take over before the election knowing fully well they will lose and it will be a shitshow. She will most likely take over after the election.
Looks like it's working.
You're right. Might as well vote Tory while we're at it.
You are. This version of Labour is basically the 2010-2015 Tory party.
It's just that the political landscape has shifted so far right that the current Tories are even worse.
On a day when the news ought to be focusing on Labour Green Agenda U turn, it seems that the narrative is more about Sunak stupid comment yesterday about what a woman is.
Has Starmer got away with it. Hope not because while I support Labour, I am annoyed at the watering down of a clear election pledge.
Especially on the day that we all learnt that our planet has warmed +1.5C.
Has Starmer got away with it. Hope not because while I support Labour, I am annoyed at the watering down of a clear election pledge.
Especially on the day that we all learnt that our planet has warmed +1.5C.
What do we do though?
Sunak refusing to apologise. Hateful little worm.
Apparently trying to link the words coming out of his mouth with how it might affect certain people in attendance is the "worst of politics".
Yeah, and I absolutely hate how far we've shifted. I'm just detecting hints, yet again, of "don't vote Labour because they're just as bad" from some folk when we saw how that turned out last time. South Park's douche and turd episode springs to my mind.
I don't think either come off well here - to politicise and point score over the tragic death of Brianna Ghey just shows how far our politicians and parties have fallen. We're living in truly desperate and pathetic times when we have idiots like Sunak and Starmer as the best representatives of the two biggest political parties. England is finished, man.
Also, what was the jibe (re the 99% bit)? That totally went over my head.
Don't worry, they'll be fine this time. They're appealing to the hateful majority of Britons. You can safely vote Green and The Tories won't get it. If enough of us do it, they might even start thinking there's some voter capital in not totally fecking up the world.
Is it that trans people are 0.1% of the population?
Does make you wonder. Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing?
I heard this argument on the radio earlier. That it was actually Starmer who conflated Sunak’s comments with Brianna Ghey’s mother being in the house and therefore it is Starmer that is political point scoring. I’m no fan of Starmer but honestly that is such a tenuous argument. Flip it on its head and Starmer says nothing and it’s Starmer that is taking all the flack because he let the comment go without highlighting how inappropriate it was. He was right to highlight it and to suggest otherwise it’s both sides bollocks.
It is a priority for the media and politicians, who both crave the spotlight, they raise the issue in ways that attract attention. Yes, they know it cannot be solved quickly, without proper due diligence and a comprehensive migrant policy to back it up and that takes time, so they 'suck it up' with the public, takes peoples minds of energy bills, etc.
Of course, remember Farage and his warning of millions of Romanians (under freedom of movement) turning up in the UK, its was this fear that the eastern EU countries will seek higher wages in the UK than they could get in their own country and in so doing affect wage rates in the UK. It was true in some cases but much over blown by Farage and his ilk! This kind of media coverage was the sort that remainers (in government) failed to address properly and it fueled some support for Brexit, especially with those living outside the main UK conurbations.
Paul you make regular comments here and elsewhere about how stupid its was to vote for Brexit, but you fail to also shed light on how weak and ineffective the Remainers were in countering such arguments... and the reason is because at the time, they couldn't. Like all successful lies, somewhere inside is elements of truth, Farage and co. were very successful in ensuring this essential ingredient in the issue of immigration.
It doesn't directly, companies in many parts of the UK economy have had to raise salaries in the traditional low paid jobs, especially after Covid and as you say after many people in the UK have been declaring themselves inactive in the labour market. Because of the low numbers available it became a 'rob Peter to pay Paul] (not you of course). EU workers as you rightly say are being paid better in their home countries and wont travel to the UK for work, so workers from the third world are sought. Trades Unions in the UK are at an all time low in their effectiveness, because when they get 'sandbagged' by employers they still tend reach for the 'strike' weapon, to solve all problems, not just pay rates. Consequently it will be up to Starmer to change this mentality, one way he might do it is to get something like the ITB's up and running again... but don't hold your breath!
Not at all, as I've said in other posts, it was my experience in the UK that the companies I met who spent more time, trouble and expense getting their recruitment, training and management development right, were inevitably foreign owned. This issue in the UK pre-dates the EEC, let alone the EU, joining the EEC in the 70's did nudge UK employers to up their game, but not as much as it was required. This is an urgent problem for Starmer when he takes power, but I have to admit I doubt if it will get the attention it needs, not in a first term anyway... but we live in hope.
Well I certainly didnt see that U-turn coming from Starmer. I'd post a pikachu shock face but this is meant to be a serious forum.
Paul at least someone besides us two reads our posts... 15 mins of fame