You do know it's quite a complicated project right? I'm not meant to be educated about it, Labour are though.
Where would you find the money? You fecking print it, you're the government FFS. You're borrowing against future returns.
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You do know it's quite a complicated project right? I'm not meant to be educated about it, Labour are though.
Where would you find the money? You fecking print it, you're the government FFS. You're borrowing against future returns.
Yeah, any issue just go and print some more money…never had ANY issues with that in the past.
Go read a fecking book before you go slagging off people who aren’t in charge of a project with how it should be continued, when the only answer you’d have is to borrow for the sake of a train line!
Seriously!
I think you have issues not me. A few billion a year is a drop in the ocean in the scheme of things. The new nuclear deterrent is funded in exactly the same way. The problem is the benefit at the end of it is probably worth more than cutting 20 mins off the journey time from Birmingham to London.
And just for the record, I want Labour to have a position on an important issue, how is that ridiculous? They're the fecking opposition, it's their job.
And get battered whichever way they go…
Commit to finishing it and:
- increase taxation: you lose the GE
- you borrow: you have Tories and media playing the whole ‘all Labour do is borrow and bankrupt’ and you lose the GE
- you also have every public sector continuing strike action because money that could have been used for them goes on a fecking train line
Sack it off and:
- Tories and media attack you for abandoning the North
- Tories and media attack you for ‘abandoning such an important project’
- Tories and media attack you for spending money on public services and their ‘union paymasters’
Like I said - there’s LOTS to attack Labour about with their plans not to repeal so many disgusting Tory policies, but this is the very definition of no-win.
So say you're committed to the project in the north and will review completion of the bit in the south when you get in. Or just say you'll scrap it off and invest in a bunch of other more cost effective railway improvement programmes like electrification of the northern railways instead. Have a position. It's actually not that fecking difficult or even that controversial.
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I just hope the Chinese Communist Party invades with the coming years so we can finally get some railways built.
You don't need to be that radical. Just spread the news that the trans community hate HS2 and it will be built within the week.
@Jericholyte2
Labour: We have a policy.
2 days later: We very much don't have a policy. Don't you dare suggest otherwise.
Yes, the speedy u-turns are valid criticism of Starmer, trying to be all things to all (non-lefty, like myself) people.
I’d much prefer silence from them whilst they deliberate, along the lines of “We know the current strategy isn’t working and we’re assessing all viable options” until the point at which they pull a trigger on a policy.
It would still be a meme. You don't get endless time to deliberate while not making a decision when you're in government, there are new issues arising all the time. It's going to be a "we'll commission a white paper and then ignore it" government all over again. There'll be a Grenfell or similar on their watch for sure. Crap leadership, crap opposition, crap policies when they actually have any.
How is the UK ever going to come back from this? It's clear that it's a deliberate policy by the Conservatives to kill the NHS and force a private system on you lot. But privatizing is always much easier than nationalizing. If the UK was any smaller you'd probably be couped by the CIA if you gave it a go. And it's not like there's some Labour wave waiting to happen, which is going to turn it all back. Labour is probably winning the next one, but are they competent or brave enough to do anything about it? Even if they are, there's probably a new Tory ghoul in waiting after that.
Except when you’re in opposition, more than a year away from any General Election, then you do get deliberating time.
That’s part of the joy of being opposition, you get to build up a manifesto and then release it, fully formed, when it’s time to campaign.
I would love to think that's what they're doing, but as a betting man I'd say the odds are firmly stacked against it. All the evidence suggests they stand for very little, most of it not particularly good.
Really interesting interview
No doubt after the revolution Rory will get two plates of soup in the gulag!
No doubt after the revolution Rory will get two plates of soup in the gulag!
Why in the feck is this silly bint allowed to say anything at all after the damage she has caused?
- praising her own party's record.
- praising her own party's record.Why are people allowing her to speak in public, and paying her for an appearance?
Because they're as dumb as as a bag of rocks
Why in the feck is this silly bint allowed to say anything at all after the damage she has caused?
To be fair she sounded like she couldn’t understand half of the script that was given to her. A bit like Friends when Joey used a thesaurus for every word in a letter of recommendation!
This woman is out of her mind. The lack of self awareness is outstanding. I have been looking for the article that came out last year basically saying she’s always been delusional.
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1703752756144538048?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg
https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1703752756144538048?s=46&t=wxpuqJtaIkz2kcV7xGORhg
Class war really is crazy
I’m still mad about Liz Truss. It’s galling and a slap in the face.
For these politicians and stories in particular, governance is a playground to make your friends rich while experimenting With crack pot ideologies. They don’t have the capacity to be bothered that they have a massive effect on people’s lives.
This is a woman that sent thousands of home owners over the edge a year ago. The sheer lack of self awareness.
For these politicians and stories in particular, governance is a playground to make your friends rich while experimenting With crack pot ideologies. They don’t have the capacity to be bothered that they have a massive effect on people’s lives.
This is a woman that sent thousands of home owners over the edge a year ago. The sheer lack of self awareness.
My God. When Ford are calling out Sunak for abandoning his environmental targets, you know we're in big trouble.
Hopefully, please, God, this prevents Starmer from doing something equally stupid.
I hope so too but with his family's connections to BP I doubt it.
Oh, sorry. Sunak has already said that there's no public interest in that story so never mind.
Why in the feck is this silly bint allowed to say anything at all after the damage she has caused?
We need a list of "economists" attending that.
A debt spiral she is primarily responsible for.
Tory economics...
Doctor paid £3,000 for shift as new strike begins
'Paying for cover is costing hospitals three times more than they save in the wages deducted from striking junior doctors, hospitals are reporting.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66861960
Doctor paid £3,000 for shift as new strike begins
'Paying for cover is costing hospitals three times more than they save in the wages deducted from striking junior doctors, hospitals are reporting.'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-66861960
I’d be interested to know if the doctor was paid £3000 or if they paid £3000 for the doctor with a private agency getting a big cut.
This is what happens when you do policy just to survive.
Was this Rishis last throw of the dice and it's backfired massively?
Don't mind an annual Tory Implosion just before Christmas. Should deffo be a thing.
Don't mind an annual Tory Implosion just before Christmas. Should deffo be a thing.
How is he this bad? They had a cabinet meeting yesterday, where this wasn't mentioned, then out of the blue, he announced this at 11 p.m. last night and then has to have an emergency cabinet meeting today, 12 hours later, because its already gone so bad.
This is Liz Truss-level shit.
With these lot so unimaginably bad, I wish Labour had just a little more ambition. They have the breathing room to make a difference.
I feel like whereas other PMs and MPs are beholden to lots of lobby groups, Sunak is beholden to the business interests of his family.
It’s only a matter of time before we find out which of his family businesses would have benefited from this policy or that his wife just so happened to purchase tens of millions of shares in Shell.
Ford are pissed off because they've completely dropped the ball on the shift to EVs. They were late to release EVs, they had to farm out much of the work to other manufacturers, and now they've had the hair brained idea of canning most of their traditional lineup. The whole of Europe is backtracking on it and nobody else seems to be upset.
So far Peugeot, Vauxhall, Jaguar Land Rover and Volkswagen have all issued statements criticising the move so it's definitely not just Ford.
They asked for policy consistency, a different thing to Ford. Only Ford and Volvo signed the open letter to the EU supporting total EV transition.
Apparently it was leaked which shows just what a shambles it is. Labour have committed to keeping the same targets so they have for once drawn a dividing line. Desperate measures by Sunak here.
If it gets to the point of no confidence votes, does he call an election, try and stay strong till the election with no support from his party, or just resign?