Westminster Politics

It’s probably more innocent than that.

“What did we say last time?”
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”Ok, same template, write some guff, put it under my nose by tomorrow”.

The big ticket government players are capable of many things. Run-rate civil service folks just do the same kind of job that regular people do.

I’m not defending it. It’s embarrassing to the point I didn’t believe it. But honest cock ups are possible and frequent.
Nah i'm not having it. It makes no sense to use some template when all you're doing is typing out 2 sentences. If this is a "mistake" I'll have the Brooklyn bridge for christmas.
 
Naivety? If it really is a run of the mill balls up, the creator did get the job done.

I do some shocking workarounds in Excel and PowerPoint at times when it’s quicker to get the right result with the wrong method. Hide all the columns or text box outlines just to get shit in the right place.

My mistakes are all in there but the outcome is the same as doing it properly.

It’s obviously a big problem if the Government isn’t training internal staff to use the tools needed to do their job.... but it’s small beer to me.

Wait, there's a better way than this? :lol:
 
Wait, there's a better way than this? :lol:

Exactly. Once you’ve got so exceptionally brilliant at being shit, you’re basically a Jedi master that has transcended the creation method.

“Why did you do this like this?”
‘It was quicker’
“Yes but if anyone wants to make changes they have to start fresh, or use your restrictive formatting”
‘Problem being?’
 
I can only imagine the state of the newspapers if Labour had done everything the Tories had done.
 
The sad fact is that Labour would have been down and out after any one of these scandals.

Probably because they'd actually admit accountability. Scary thing is now that the current government have proven you can blatantly lie, steal and be generally incompetent with zero consequences.
 
Probably because they'd actually admit accountability. Scary thing is now that the current government have proven you can blatantly lie, steal and be generally incompetent with zero consequences.

This is definitely something Trump brought into western politics, a complete disregard for political norms and shunning of accountability and a complete debasing of the media who should hold the power to hold them to account.

The way they have turned prominent journalists into subservient yes men and women is the most depressing. The likes of Keusenberg and Peston parroting narratives at their beck and call is incredibly dangerous.
 
This is definitely something Trump brought into western politics, a complete disregard for political norms and shunning of accountability and a complete debasing of the media who should hold the power to hold them to account.

The way they have turned prominent journalists into subservient yes men and women is the most depressing. The likes of Keusenberg and Peston parroting narratives at their beck and call is incredibly dangerous.

"Can you tweet something like..."
 
Probably because they'd actually admit accountability. Scary thing is now that the current government have proven you can blatantly lie, steal and be generally incompetent with zero consequences.
This is definitely something Trump brought into western politics, a complete disregard for political norms and shunning of accountability and a complete debasing of the media who should hold the power to hold them to account.

The way they have turned prominent journalists into subservient yes men and women is the most depressing. The likes of Keusenberg and Peston parroting narratives at their beck and call is incredibly dangerous.

I’d argue that it goes further.

Labour are not allowed to acknowledge nuance. The Corbyn Antisemite shit is evidence enough. He’s not wrong in attitude. But is wrong in perception and messaging. That gap is never bridged. If they concede ‘mistakes were made’ that means all bets are off. The situation is reduced to a headline full of misrepresentation.

The Tories can offer a non response to clear as day racism, cronyism, corruption.... and nothing. The headline is ‘CORRUPTION’. The editorial is ‘another coin in the well I guess’.

Trump did not create this though. He’s a conman. He spotted the media mood music (Murdoch) and exploited it. He jumped on the bandwagon.
 
Can someone tell me why in the uk its 5 years per election term? Isnt that a big long, I think America has it right with 4.

Also see : UK elections are confined to a strict and regulated election window.

America is in a constant state of campaigning.

Both systems are broke. 5 year terms are not a problem if there are available interjection points.
 
"Can you tweet something like..."

Exactly. The classic recently was when Boris/Cummings/whoever shared in the WhatsApp group the template tweet that all Tory MP’s were expected to use in response to Starmer’s calling for a lockdown and coincidently both Kuenssberg and Peston shared the same thing, albeit in quotation marks. No analysis, comment or critical thought, just sharing it like every other Tory MP.
 


Seem a pointless exercise for the govenment to be involved with. It may be a rogue employee but I don't see why the government needs to 'sabotage' a relationship with Biden. If they want to cool the 'special relationship' it wouldn't need petty contrivances like this. It would be a good thing if we binned the 'special relationship' anyway.
 
What I find hardest to believe is why on earth you'd go about editing it in that way.

It's common sense they would have had two messages on the go and just wheeled out whichever one was appropriate, but why the feck would you do it like that?!
It was done on purpose to generate drama. The kind that doesn't hurt the government.
 
It was done on purpose to generate drama. The kind that doesn't hurt the government.

These are not bright people. We credit them with too much intelligence. They are a Brexit cult. Our front-bench MP’s are dumber than many of us and are without question dumber than the top 10% of most organisations.

There’s no ‘win’ if this is a ploy. Where is the upside?
 
These are not bright people. We credit them with too much intelligence. They are a Brexit cult. Our front-bench MP’s are dumber than many of us and are without question dumber than the top 10% of most organisations.

There’s no ‘win’ if this is a ploy. Where is the upside?
Distracting attention from their nepotism?
 
Seem a pointless exercise for the govenment to be involved with. It may be a rogue employee but I don't see why the government needs to 'sabotage' a relationship with Biden. If they want to cool the 'special relationship' it wouldn't need petty contrivances like this. It would be a good thing if we binned the 'special relationship' anyway.

The UK is a no-mark non entity that’s been a falling and fading influence on global politics. We don’t matter. We can’t stop anything. We are a leading Capitalist GDP economy that won’t be top 10 inside 10 years and will slide into obscurity inside 50 years. We just voted to abandon our only point of ongoing significance.
 
These are not bright people. We credit them with too much intelligence. They are a Brexit cult. Our front-bench MP’s are dumber than many of us and are without question dumber than the top 10% of most organisations.

There’s no ‘win’ if this is a ploy. Where is the upside?
I agree completely. This is dumb luck, and stupid processes/ decision making by individuals within Whitehall. Laughable, but nothing more sinister. You're moving into conspiracy theory territory if you think otherwise.
 
For a day? No point.
Perhaps for a day? Maybe for more? Maybe they'll have some new distraction ready for next week? Going for a drive to test eye sight worked wonders to distract from systemic failure earlier this year. They also made a political campaign out of lying about the shape of bananas but these shenanigans are supposed to beyond them? Please.
I agree completely. This is dumb luck, and stupid processes/ decision making by individuals within Whitehall. Laughable, but nothing more sinister. You're moving into conspiracy theory territory if you think otherwise.
What kind of dumb luck or stupid processing causes one statement to appear in the background of another? Seriously, did they paint brush over the old statement in black and wrote the new one over it but forgot one bit:lol:!?
 
Perhaps for a day? Maybe for more? Maybe they'll have some new distraction ready for next week? Going for a drive to test eye sight worked wonders to distract from systemic failure earlier this year. They also made a political campaign out of lying about the shape of bananas but these shenanigans are supposed to beyond them? Please.

What kind of dumb luck or stupid processing causes one statement to appear in the background of another? Seriously, did they paint brush over the old statement in black and wrote the new one over it but forgot one bit:lol:!?

Cummings eye test is being held up as example evidence of civil disobedience and disregard and the disintegration of adherence

These are not clever people. They are campaigners and sloganeers.

This may be a sneaky Cnuty Tory ‘Hiding’ a message in plain sight, but don’t suggest these guys have the intelligence and nous to do this as a ruse.

They’re not smart. They are shills. I work in an affluent and like minded company.. 50% of the people here are smarter than the 22 Cabinet Members.

The Uk has had 50 odd Prime Ministers. Something like half of them went to Eton. About the same percentage went to Oxford. I think all but 8-10 went to Oxbridge. I think less than 10 Universities account for all PM’s.

These are well educated people. They are not smart. They are not the best of us. They are the people with means and connections and desire.
 
The UK is a no-mark non entity that’s been a falling and fading influence on global politics. We don’t matter. We can’t stop anything. We are a leading Capitalist GDP economy that won’t be top 10 inside 10 years and will slide into obscurity inside 50 years. We just voted to abandon our only point of ongoing significance.

We'll likely still be a top 10 economy by 2050 by which time I'll be 68. I can't say that the UK being the 15th largest economy in the world 20 years after I'm dead is something that I'm particularly worried about. I don't think you should worry about it either.
 
Cummings eye test is being held up as example evidence of civil disobedience and disregard and the disintegration of adherence
Yes, by you or me. But we're not relevant to someone we'd never vote for. Boris' supporters had fun laughing at and about Cummings while the NHS was stretched to it's limits. Limits previously reduced by the party Boris is now heading.
These are not clever people. They are campaigners and sloganeers.

This may be a sneaky Cnuty Tory ‘Hiding’ a message in plain sight, but don’t suggest these guys have the intelligence and nous to do this as a ruse.

They’re not smart. They are shills. I work in an affluent and like minded company.. 50% of the people here are smarter than the 22 Cabinet Members.

The Uk has had 50 odd Prime Ministers. Something like half of them went to Eton. About the same percentage went to Oxford. I think all but 8-10 went to Oxbridge. I think less than 10 Universities account for all PM’s.

These are well educated people. They are not smart. They are not the best of us. They are the people with means and connections and desire.
I agree with nearly all of this. I just don't think it needs any extraordinary intelligence to do this stuff.
 
Perhaps for a day? Maybe for more? Maybe they'll have some new distraction ready for next week? Going for a drive to test eye sight worked wonders to distract from systemic failure earlier this year. They also made a political campaign out of lying about the shape of bananas but these shenanigans are supposed to beyond them? Please.

What kind of dumb luck or stupid processing causes one statement to appear in the background of another? Seriously, did they paint brush over the old statement in black and wrote the new one over it but forgot one bit:lol:!?
Rogue employee is possible but a longshot. Most likely is that lazy-arsed designed has built the graphic template with Trump's name in and done a shite job of adapting it.
Looks like general laziness and incompetence than anything deliberate.
 


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Grim reading




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In times like these it would be great if a political leader showed solidarity with the minority groups affected in the report and put forward an action plan to tackle some of the findings. You know, apart from photo ops & kneeling when topics are trending.
 
I think this was the best from Starmer in a long time.

It was indeed. Especially his questions about the many millions of pounds paid to a company to deliver face masks. Something like £150 paid and zero face masks.
He was also strong on the point that the government needs to remember who's money they are throwing around. Our hard earned money not theirs.
 
It was indeed. Especially his questions about the many millions of pounds paid to a company to deliver face masks. Something like £150 paid and zero face masks.
He was also strong on the point that the government needs to remember who's money they are throwing around. Our hard earned money not theirs.
For sure! He targeted things that are easy for the lay person to understand and Boris didn’t have an effective answer for anything.
 
For sure! He targeted things that are easy for the lay person to understand and Boris didn’t have an effective answer for anything.

And for those of us who take the time to watch/listen to PMQs, he routinely makes Boris look and sound awful and pretty much always gets the better of the PM.
But we are in the minority and the public at large don't seem to understand quite how inept a leader of an even more inept government he is.
I guess time will tell how much his and his government mishandling of the two most important subjects of our time - the pandemic and Brexit.
And even more importantly, the climate change emergency.
I still feel that time is on Starmer and Labour side.