Westminster Politics

Mogget said:
Most of my elderly (immigrant Asian) relatives are fairly conservative both financially and socially. I reckon they'd probably be Tory voters if it wasn't for the fact the Tories are seen as anti-immigrant/a bit racist.

Although you'd like to think that being immigrants and goi,ng through that hardship, some would have a bit more empathy with today's immigrants trying to come to this country.
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I imagine that some people will be sympathetic of others going through the hardships their families went through, whereas some people are just selfish wankers.
 
Sweet Square said:
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that's a somewhat odd grouping. if i had to bet, i'd say the 40-50 group withiin 25-50 would have the highest numbers. (given the under-40 labour lead+the sharp difference of 25-50 from 18-25).
last time i checked, it was a similar group (45-60 or something like that) that supported trump the most.
 
berbatrick said:
that's a somewhat odd grouping. if i had to bet, i'd say the 40-50 group withiin 25-50 would have the highest numbers. (given the under-40 labour lead+the sharp difference of 25-50 from 18-25).
last time i checked, it was a similar group (45-60 or something like that) that supported trump the most.
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Yeah I find the grouping odd and not very useful. I think it would make more sense to poll the difference between the under 40 and over 40. You would get a better sense of the generational divide(Gen Xers seem very right wing)
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I don’t know whether that’s a dig or not!

Schools should teach a balanced view.
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cant have the kids learning anything that might sow discontent, or introduce the idea that there might be a better way to do things, that doesn't involve being told what to do by billionaires and tory scum whilst they live by and follow a totally different set of rules and standards to the rest of us though can we.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
cant have the kids learning anything that might sow discontent, or introduce the idea that there might be a better way to do things, that doesn't involve being told what to do by billionaires and tory scum whilst they live by and follow a totally different set of rules and standards to the rest of us though can we.
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So we agree that both sides of a debate should be taught.
 
Sparky_Hughes said:
cant have the kids learning anything that might sow discontent, or introduce the idea that there might be a better way to do things, that doesn't involve being told what to do by billionaires and tory scum whilst they live by and follow a totally different set of rules and standards to the rest of us though can we.
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out of interest what % of the 13.9 million people who voted conservative are scum... it just seems a pretty vague (and divisive) statement so perhaps you could clarify?
 
sun_tzu said:
out of interest what % of the 13.9 million people who voted conservative are scum... it just seems a pretty vague (and divisive) statement so perhaps you could clarify?
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It does amuse me that this forum makes sweeping decisions about who you are based on your voting history.

There’s no nuance. Tory scum. Brilliant.

Such a good way to debate.
 
Brwned said:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/got-locked-twitter-having-wrong-opinion-covid/

She seems a bit confused.

Somehow Twitter are another leftist attack dog while simultaneously being under the thumb of the conservative government, run by a man they completely identified with until a few months ago. It's amazing how the leftists can "capture" a government yet completely unable to put themselves in government.

I signed up to their free month trial to get a different view of things and was really surprised by one thing. They all seem so angry, so desperate to blame others. You can feel the sense of entitlement driving this genuine outrage. It's a bit weird to me that people enjoy reading that.
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It's amazing how they are pulling the same 'scientific disagreement' guff that is pulled on climate change, cigarettes, etc. Find one Oxford scientist who has continually made ridiculous claims and just wheel them out repeatedly to justifying tweeting "More young people should die".
 
sun_tzu said:
out of interest what % of the 13.9 million people who voted conservative are scum... it just seems a pretty vague (and divisive) statement so perhaps you could clarify?
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For clarification when I said tory scum I was referring to the mps, not the voters.
 
sun_tzu said:
out of interest what % of the 13.9 million people who voted conservative are scum... it just seems a pretty vague (and divisive) statement so perhaps you could clarify?
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I guess you’d like to make sure that...

former labour voters who have absolutely definitely not shifted way over to the right as they have got older and are merely disenfranchised by the current state of the Labour Party (and that’s a perfectly good reason to vote for this extremely right wing Tory party)

...are not included in this sweeping statement?
 
Pexbo said:
I guess you’d like to make sure that...

former labour voters who have absolutely definitely not shifted way over to the right as they have got older and are merely disenfranchised by the current state of the Labour Party (and that’s a perfectly good reason to vote for this extremely right wing Tory party)

...are not included in this sweeping statement?
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pretty sure they are "red tory scum" - you know the ones too thick to make their own make their own mind up and have been told who to vote for by the media
which is separate to the "blairite scum"- who are just evil
but it is hard to keep up these days as there is so many shades of scum
 
I know that's not a good way to win arguments, but frankly if someone can look at the slate of truly abhorrent things the Tories have done in office over the last 10 years and still actively support them in 2020, I find it very difficult not to judge that as either a moral fault, a show of supreme ignorance or a combination of the two.

Call it closed-minded or whatever, but I have no interest in putting my time and effort into building friendships with people who, if they didn't know me personally, would happily let me starve/freeze if I was poor, or lock me up or send me back to a war-zone if I wasn't British.
 
jeff_goldblum said:
I know that's not a good way to win arguments, but frankly if someone can look at the slate of truly abhorrent things the Tories have done in office over the last 10 years and still actively support them in 2020, I find it very difficult not to judge that as either a moral fault, a show of supreme ignorance or a combination of the two.

Call it closed-minded or whatever, but I have no interest in putting my time and effort into building friendships with people who, if they didn't know me personally, would happily let me starve/freeze if I was poor, or lock me up or send me back to a war-zone if I wasn't British.
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I genuinely was talking about the mps, although I'd happily class anyone in favour of sending immigrants to an offshore 'holding area' as scum in all honesty.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
He's got a very "watch your tone" attitude hasn't he? Jumped up little shit.
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It’s a pathetic response. But so also is the tweet about being prosecuted.

Clearly it’s not protocol, but at that point you want the speaker to step in and say “not good enough, answer again”.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I don’t really see your problem, I’m calling a minister and his response pathetic?
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I don't see your problem. I'm suggesting that a pathetic tweet from a non entity is not equitable with a pathetic response from the Secretary of State for Health.

Therefore: whilst both pathetic they are not equivalent.
 
Fingeredmouse said:
I don't see your problem. I'm suggesting that a pathetic tweet from a non entity is not equitable with a pathetic response from the Secretary of State for Health.

Therefore: whilst both pathetic they are not equivalent.
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Who said they were? I didn’t realise we had to grade levels of patheticness.

Both are stupid responses. No one said they were directly comparable.
 
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