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Didn't he become the whip only yesterday?
Nah, Julian Smith is the new chief whip. Elphicke's only position of note has been as Lord Commissioner of HM Treasury.
Got it, I didn't know there was a 'chief whip' and a 'whip'. Silly me
Removing the whip from someone basically just means removing/suspending them from the party, so to speak, which means they're an independent MP and no longer actually associated with the party itself. It's not an actual position.
Thanks man
No problem! Can see how it'd seem confusing at first. Interestingly Elphicke denies this and seems surprised that the Tories have effectively suspended him. Suggests it's serious enough for them to have gone to the papers and police before actually notifying Elphicke himself.
The damaging part, of course, will be if it's revealed May and other prominent Tories were sitting on this and knew. Between this incident, the stuff with Hopkins/Lewis, and the Tory dossier, a lot of old skeletons are coming out on all sides of the political divide.
Don't be silly... if it's true the acolytes will blame blair
I go back to the Thatcher era, and the simple answer is no there haven't been any this bad. Even back during the Thatcher backstabbing period, and then the Major sleaze scandals, it was more strong politicians being brought down by scandal. Now it's incredibly weak and vacuous nobodies rising to the highest positions in the land and falling again. Both in the U.K. and the US we're currently living with the weakest set of politicians in my lifetime. None of these people would have made it to cabinet level in the past, it's extremely disturbing.
This completely. At least under Thatcher and Major's 'seven bastards', and Blair, you seemed to have more heavyweights.
Maybe it's cos we give less of a shit about politics collectively that we don't know them, I dunno.
Ruth Davidson is about the only current Tory of substance.
Politics is a lot harder these days. The internet and proliferation of information is changing the way democracies work. Hopefully it will turn out to be for the better when covering up foul behaviour for political gain becomes impossible or just too risky.
Well Blair is a cnut. Id be very shocked if Corbyn was covering anything like that up for political gain
Mark my words: this will be exposed as chicken coup #3 and Ava's allegations were bogus.
Davidson's a good orator and strong politician but is still vastly overrated all the same. At Holyrood she's fine when attacking SNP policy from an opposition stand-point, but as soon as she's forced to defend actual Tory policy whenever it comes up she tends to crumble. Part of why she's liked is because she comes across as being different for a Tory, which is an illusion that disappears once you remember she basically backs most of what the Tories are doing, or blindly tolerates it if she doesn't, as in the case of Brexit.
When she appears on QT she tends to be on as the sole Scottish Parliament representative, which again allows her to get away with a lot more than what she would otherwise in regards to certain claims. I do rate her as a politician and think she's someone to look out for, but at the same time I think she'd struggle in Westminster. She's only ever known being someone on the attack and being a figure of opposition; from what I've seen of her having to actually govern would result in a lot of changed perceptions since she'd no longer be able to shirk responsibility for Tory actions.
This is fair, I think. In current circumstances she has a very flattering role.
As Dota says, very good points raised and maybe it is just the fact that she seems likable, unlike the Westminster lot.
I know she was talking about running the Scottish Tories as a more separate outfit- not sure what happened with that.
Maybe I should check out her voting record.
May's not even gonna be strong enough to sack a lightweight like Patel, is she?
Probably not, nah. I doubt this one will particularly go anywhere since it's not linked to the whole harassment scandal.
So are the dozens of things he did prior to getting his most recent appointment that he's unqualified for.
Well documented that sacking him means an imminent leadership challenge. It's not going to happen.
A party of spineless, inhumane, self obsessed parasites but at least the longer they are in power the more they show themselves for what they really are. They'll all be out of a job soon.
A party of spineless, inhumane, self obsessed parasites but at least the longer they are in power the more they show themselves for what they really are. They'll all be out of a job soon.
One for the ages, this.
What the feck.
Its about the only thing you can say in response to that.
And she won't be sacked for it. We will continue to pay her £140K a year, plus over £200K in expenses of course. If they keep this up, it will be time to reinforce the lamposts in westminster.
Its about the only thing you can say in response to that.
And she won't be sacked for it. We will continue to pay her £140K a year, plus over £200K in expenses of course. If they keep this up, it will be time to reinforce the lamposts in westminster.
Suspended last week and now he’s been found dead. Saying now he’s killed himself.
I honestly thought nothing these degenerates do would surprise me, but this literally takes the piss...
Yes this has just been on BBC's TV bulletin. There'll be more to hear from this I'm sure, but for the moment all you can say is RIP.
A Nigerian prince sent her an email over the weekend, presumably.
The issue is that she has broken the ministerial code, if you actually read the BBC report, you would find that:
Your posts read really rather racist, whereas, whilst the intention was honourable, the channels used were totally inappropriate.
Mind you, the tweet was totally out of context to the reality of the discussions.
Just heard about the death of Carl Sargeant. RIP
Racist? What the actual feck are you talking about.
Quote my post again, highlight the racist part or apologize and piss right off you twat.
Why on earth is Priti Patel have a meeting with the Israel PM without letting May know? Whats even more ridiculous is May found out the meeting took place 2 months after it happened, so why on earth didn't she mention this meeting once she got back from her holiday.
First of all, you should be reported for this, wind your fecking neck in.
2nd, your post came directly after it was suggested, out of context, that UK aid should be given to the Israeli Army. Quite clearly, you were up in arms that the UK might be supporting the Israeli Army, nothing else could be inferred from your post, and the other one, whereas the intention was to assist in humanitarian aid.
The issue is that she broke the ministerial code, whichever country she had been talking to.
Good to see the aid line isn't just used to defend British arms deals with Saudi Arabia. Yes, it's in an area that they're illegally occupying but that isn't the important bit. Aid. Focus on the aid.
It should do, but to the left leaning labour faithful he is the new messiah, so wouldn't hold your breath.
Corbyn has been around along time and never got anywhere near a position of authority in Government or even in a position within the Opposition, indeed at times he almost seem to deliberately stay 'outside the tent' (certainly Tony Blair's). 'Billy no mates' for most of his political career, he now is surrounded by admirers, you can't want to deny him his 'time in the sun' ...surely?
May's mistake in calling the snap election has been a blessing and a curse for Jeremy, blessing because some voters, thinking May would walk it, thought it would be OK/safe to vote for their favourite labour MP, well that didn't work, except it gave Jeremy some hope that one day he might make it.
A curse, because he has five years to go before another election and as we all know a week is a long time in politics, let alone five years. Also because May's government is under pressure, then no Tory's, despite the fake press coverage are going to rock the boat or bring down the Government, in many ways Theresa is now 'fire proof' to do what she likes basically, so she's taking ever opportunity to 'sandbag' her cabinet, presented by the current chaos.
It will be interesting to see in the coming weeks after the sexual harassment/bullying affair, the Paradise Papers publication and of course Brexit, who and how many politicians will remain standing... on either side!
When is fake press, not fake press? The fact you mentioned 'fake press' immediately after the complete guff in italics is absolute gold by the way.
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I edited simply as I referred to your comments in italics, forgetting that (when quoted) the entire post appears in italics.When you have to edit, after you posted your reply!