well I can’t answer a hypothetical question - so it doesn’t matter.
i’m really not tribal, and it’s good to have an opposing perspective - that’s why I post here and not on www.RightWingToryLovers.co.uk
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well I can’t answer a hypothetical question - so it doesn’t matter.
i’m really not tribal, and it’s good to have an opposing perspective - that’s why I post here and not on www.RightWingToryLovers.co.uk
If 60k+ had died under Corbyn and all this happened, imagine what the narrative would be in this country.
If you were a senior official in government who was concerned about possible attacks on your home do you....
a) phone Downing street security team and ask for Police protection detail or
b) leave quietly one evening, telling noone where you are going, fill up your car and drive for nearly 5 hours with no stops to accommodate the bladder of a 4 year old child or
c) read the latest report about Hospitals in London reaching crisis point and potentially collapsing and decide you are too chicken to be around when things hit the fan so you are going somewhere you know you can get treatment if you get it as bad as Boris has....even though we are telling the country he is still ok.
a) phone Downing street security team and ask for Police protection detail or
b) leave quietly one evening, telling noone where you are going, fill up your car and drive for nearly 5 hours with no stops to accommodate the bladder of a 4 year old child or
c) read the latest report about Hospitals in London reaching crisis point and potentially collapsing and decide you are too chicken to be around when things hit the fan so you are going somewhere you know you can get treatment if you get it as bad as Boris has....even though we are telling the country he is still ok.
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What a reply this was! Best comment I’ve seen this month!
Probably. That trip breaks lockdown rules no matter how he spins it the second he and his family leave the car. Witnesses and police are investigating so he has to admit that trip happened. Thus he admits it but fabricates a farcical excuse so the focus is on that rather than the more pertinent matter which is he has just conceded he broke the lockdown rules, but he dresses it up as ‘kid needing toilet’ and ‘we observed social distancing at all times’ to make it appear reasonable. The ‘I thought I was blind’ excuse obfuscates the transgression that’s really at the heart of the matter here.
Think he has a landrover discovery
Tank is 90 litres I believe on the new model... so just under 20 gallons... it gets a little over 30mpg on long runs apparently
So I'd guess his car in theory could do that run on one tank
John McGurrrrrggghhhhhk.
Deliberately taking a pedantic and contrarian stance isn't really in the spirit of that though, is it?
It may well be that you genuinely consider Cummings to have done nothing wrong and that this is an unimportant matter.
However, you must understand that people are very annoyed that one of the prime architects of the Government's lockdown policy has flagrantly and unapologetically breached the guidelines whilst the populace sacrificed an enormous amount including in similar circumstances.
To pretend that you don't is unlikely to lead to you being seen as taking a reasonable position.
Also, you can answer a hypothetical question. You choose not to : surely the answer must be that with all other facts being consistent save the individuals concerned being Corbyn, or equivalent, and family your view would be the same. If not, then there can only be one reason why not.
I don't think any politician or media person should use the term "unelectable" ever again tbh.
the point about a hypothetical question, is any answer I give you would be declared nonsense.
if the only difference was that Cummings worked for a labour government, then my stance and opinion would be exactly the same.
do you believe me?
Yes, I don't see why not to.
The two "defences" I've mainly seen to this are:
1. the "now can we move on?" kind of thing, which is pretty arrogant thing to say when it's clear that people are (justifiably) very upset /angered by this and by the continued lies/contempt coming out of Downing Street.
2. Showing pictures of journalists crowding him /other people not social distracting and saying "WHAT ABOUT THEM?!"...which is pretty ludicrous as we should expect our rule setters / politicians to hold themselves to a higher standard... Much like how a policeman committing a minor crime would look worse then just a regular person doing so.
1. the "now can we move on?" kind of thing, which is pretty arrogant thing to say when it's clear that people are (justifiably) very upset /angered by this and by the continued lies/contempt coming out of Downing Street.
2. Showing pictures of journalists crowding him /other people not social distracting and saying "WHAT ABOUT THEM?!"...which is pretty ludicrous as we should expect our rule setters / politicians to hold themselves to a higher standard... Much like how a policeman committing a minor crime would look worse then just a regular person doing so.
Some digging done on Cummings' matter of fact statement about having written about the threat of Coronavirus (spoiler: he lied).
Number 8:Funny, because you seem to have swallowed Cummings hypothetical answer!
Its worse than that, the guardian and Mirror were onto this weeks ago but Downing St has been obfuscating in the hope that this goes away.
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Sadly, whilst I appreciate the idea of the opposition all coming together on this issue, I fail to see what impact they could have.
Yeah. With an 80-seat majority, this was for the media to hold their feet to the fire.
The DUP wont be in opposition. They'll back boris to the hilt for some under the table deal.
How is demanding public figures act legally and ethically acting like a cock?
To be fair I think he was referring to those posters suggesting everyone should now do as they please on the basis that Cummings did.
He was secretly conduction a test as to exactly how ludicrous an excuse Tory voters will suck up without question.
The media is now at his elderly parents house.
That i dont agree with.
Let them be
That i dont agree with.
Let them be
Ahh. I didn't get that from the flow of the posts
Are they trying to blag free childcare too?
You need to know the answer to their secret Masons style question to stand a chance I'm afraid. "How many children does Boris think he has?"
Powerful article by Helen Goodman was the Labour MP for Bishop Auckland from 2005 to 2019
My dad who was 93 had been living in a care home for a few months in Barnard Castle, County Durham. On 23 March, without forewarning, a lockdown was imposed – visits from friends, family, the parish priest and even local GPs stopped. My dad found this disorientating and distressing. As he put it to one of the carers: “I don’t understand why Helen can’t come and see me: she only lives 200 yards away.”
So to learn that Dominic Cummings was in Barnard Castle, 260 miles from his home in London, at a time when the government was discouraging tourism, is sickening.
My dad wasn’t tested for coronavirus and I’m sure loneliness and isolation contributed to his death on 24 April. We tried Zoom calls, but he couldn’t hear properly and the picture on a mobile phone was too small for him to recognise the other person. This was really hard for all of us but most of all, of course, for him. He hated loneliness and he was alone when he died five weeks after our last visit. Nothing can ever change that reality.
The prime minister’s defence of Cummings adds insult to injury for the relatives of those who have died from Covid-19 and other causes during lockdown, who are unable to grieve for their relatives properly as funeral attendances are restricted.
In his press conference, Cummings said he went to a cottage on his parents’ farm to have childcare available should he and his wife become so ill that they were unable to look after their four-year-old. He said his trip to Barnard Castle was to test his eyesight before driving to London. However, this is offensive to people observing the rules while they struggle to cope with their own families complex needs. I know one woman, a single parent of two children, one of whom is autistic, who has to isolate because she has a rare and complex health problem. It’s hard but she’s doing it.
In the face of the pandemic, my local community has risen to the challenge. Networks of local support have sprung up and expanded, with people shopping and collecting medicines for others. Our seven local food banks have been operating way above their usual level in response to rising demand – Bishop Auckland recorded a 50% increase in the number of out-of-work benefits claimants between March and April. An initiative, Cuppas for Carers, inwhich volunteers take tea and biscuits round to people who work in care homes, has garnered lots of support.
But we are not without fear. Up to now the small towns of County Durham have been abiding by the lockdown, yet 476 have died of the virus as of 19 May, according to Durham county council. In rural Teesdale people have been particularly worried about what will happen to the rate of infection and the number of deaths should they see an influx of tourists to all the local beauty spots. To visit the north-east, ignore the rules and put other people’s health at risk displays an arrogance that people find both repellent and alarming. Were our sacrifices for nothing?
In the last couple of days I’ve had messages and emails from people in great distress. Here is one woman whose parents live in County Durham:
So to learn that Dominic Cummings was in Barnard Castle, 260 miles from his home in London, at a time when the government was discouraging tourism, is sickening.
My dad wasn’t tested for coronavirus and I’m sure loneliness and isolation contributed to his death on 24 April. We tried Zoom calls, but he couldn’t hear properly and the picture on a mobile phone was too small for him to recognise the other person. This was really hard for all of us but most of all, of course, for him. He hated loneliness and he was alone when he died five weeks after our last visit. Nothing can ever change that reality.
The prime minister’s defence of Cummings adds insult to injury for the relatives of those who have died from Covid-19 and other causes during lockdown, who are unable to grieve for their relatives properly as funeral attendances are restricted.
In his press conference, Cummings said he went to a cottage on his parents’ farm to have childcare available should he and his wife become so ill that they were unable to look after their four-year-old. He said his trip to Barnard Castle was to test his eyesight before driving to London. However, this is offensive to people observing the rules while they struggle to cope with their own families complex needs. I know one woman, a single parent of two children, one of whom is autistic, who has to isolate because she has a rare and complex health problem. It’s hard but she’s doing it.
In the face of the pandemic, my local community has risen to the challenge. Networks of local support have sprung up and expanded, with people shopping and collecting medicines for others. Our seven local food banks have been operating way above their usual level in response to rising demand – Bishop Auckland recorded a 50% increase in the number of out-of-work benefits claimants between March and April. An initiative, Cuppas for Carers, inwhich volunteers take tea and biscuits round to people who work in care homes, has garnered lots of support.
But we are not without fear. Up to now the small towns of County Durham have been abiding by the lockdown, yet 476 have died of the virus as of 19 May, according to Durham county council. In rural Teesdale people have been particularly worried about what will happen to the rate of infection and the number of deaths should they see an influx of tourists to all the local beauty spots. To visit the north-east, ignore the rules and put other people’s health at risk displays an arrogance that people find both repellent and alarming. Were our sacrifices for nothing?
In the last couple of days I’ve had messages and emails from people in great distress. Here is one woman whose parents live in County Durham:
A well of grief has built up among the family and friends of the 62,000 people who have died in this pandemic. If the prime minister thinks people will forgive and forget, he is sorely mistaken. People have been holding it in as they struggle to get through each day. This episode has burst the dam and a huge wave is now flooding out.
Hate this sort of working class Tory logic
Yeah, we shouldn’t hold our government to account and massively condemn them when they do wrong because it’s just like Caroline Flack.
I’m glad they’re outside his house. They need to know they can’t just get away with whatever they want.
Yeah, we shouldn’t hold our government to account and massively condemn them when they do wrong because it’s just like Caroline Flack.
I’m glad they’re outside his house. They need to know they can’t just get away with whatever they want.
Some brilliant posts on Guardian comments. This one is brilliant
Written by ‘morbile’
He broke the rules because he was, but he wasn't ill and neither was his wife, but she was.
So he drove 260 miles just in case he, his wife or his child could get ill and that meant that no one in London would take of the child who wasn't ill, in case he or his wife did get ill.
But when he got to Durham he discovered that in fact he was ill and his wife was no longer ill.
So his child was no longer in need of help because mum who was not ill could look after his sick child who wasn't ill.
So while he was ill he decided that because he was ill he should go out for a walk because it might make him not ill.
After a little while when he was still ill his eyes became ill and he decided it would be prudent to test his eyes by driving for an hour while ill with Covid and have a walk by a river.
He found that his eyes were not as ill as he thought and neither was he.
So now while he wasn't ill, even if the previous day he was ill, he could drive back to London because he was no longer ill.
Because he was so ill, he forgot to tell anyone what he was doing while he was ill, instead waiting until he wasn't ill to tell people he had been ill, mentioning that he didn't want to be ill in London because he preferred to be ill in Durham in case his child got ill even though he wasn't ill.
In the end it was a simple misunderstanding and after he explained what had happened, everybody would be able to see right through him.
Written by ‘morbile’
He broke the rules because he was, but he wasn't ill and neither was his wife, but she was.
So he drove 260 miles just in case he, his wife or his child could get ill and that meant that no one in London would take of the child who wasn't ill, in case he or his wife did get ill.
But when he got to Durham he discovered that in fact he was ill and his wife was no longer ill.
So his child was no longer in need of help because mum who was not ill could look after his sick child who wasn't ill.
So while he was ill he decided that because he was ill he should go out for a walk because it might make him not ill.
After a little while when he was still ill his eyes became ill and he decided it would be prudent to test his eyes by driving for an hour while ill with Covid and have a walk by a river.
He found that his eyes were not as ill as he thought and neither was he.
So now while he wasn't ill, even if the previous day he was ill, he could drive back to London because he was no longer ill.
Because he was so ill, he forgot to tell anyone what he was doing while he was ill, instead waiting until he wasn't ill to tell people he had been ill, mentioning that he didn't want to be ill in London because he preferred to be ill in Durham in case his child got ill even though he wasn't ill.
In the end it was a simple misunderstanding and after he explained what had happened, everybody would be able to see right through him.
Desperate from the Telegraph
Beach-goers cite Dominic Cummings lockdown breaches as reason for packed resort
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ngs-lockdown-breaches-reason-packed-seafront/
Beach-goers cite Dominic Cummings lockdown breaches as reason for packed resort
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ngs-lockdown-breaches-reason-packed-seafront/
Another guardian comment; I’ll paraphrase this one by border poll:
Is it possible that the poor eyesight thing is down to him being a colossal wanker?
Is it possible that the poor eyesight thing is down to him being a colossal wanker?
And that's the thing, even after the barrage from the media and the utter disgust expressed by the public and the outrage by the Church and other MPs, the shaming, insults and the bullying, these fecking cnuts still have the gall to front up and say "did nowt wrong", "I stand by him", "look elsewhere for contrition": We do what we want, we have the power, You Serve Us.
Are we going to have to literally drag these scumbags through the street, because there seems to be very few ways left to hold these gangsters to account.
Why lie?
He is part of a government who find it far more convenient to lie than tell the truth.
Michael Gove on BBC yet again quite clearly twisting the truth to satisfy the narrative that DC acted with honesty, legally and integrity.
They just don't get it do they.
He broke the Stay At Home instructions.
Clear and simple.
They just don't get it do they.
He broke the Stay At Home instructions.
Clear and simple.
Stories of Cummings editing his blog to make it look like he predicted Coronavirus when he got back to work:
Just highlights the staggering contempt he hold us all in. Anyone defending him is a cnut too.