Westminster Politics

esmufc07 said:
Disgusting.

https://fullfact.org/health/130000-preventable-deaths-austerity/
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Did you read this "fact check"?
the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) think tank [...] showed a declining trend in deaths linked to “preventable risk factors” between 1990 and 2012. But between 2012 and 2017, the rate of decline slowed down. Had it kept pace with the previous trend, the report estimates there would have been 130,000 fewer deaths overall since 2012.

The IPPR doesn’t directly attribute the 130,000 deaths that could have been averted to austerity, but it does say that “prevention services and public health has been severely impacted by a decade of austerity”. It also identifies spending reductions in some more specific areas, for example early years, as negatively affecting public health.

[...] University College London [...] using figures to 2014 and comparing them to the pre-2010 trends, the academics found there were 45,000 more deaths between 2010 and 2014, than would have been expected had the previous trend continued. Projecting those figures forward they estimated that between 2010 and 2017 the number of additional deaths would total 120,000.

While lower growth in health and social care spending since 2010 may be behind the increase in deaths, these findings should be treated with caution as the research doesn’t prove this is the case. Reduced spending is one of a number of possible explanations for the results.
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SO basically 2 studies agree on the trend that preventable deaths have shot up during Tory rule, both agree on a somewhat similar number and both agree that spending reductions are a big factor in that number.

But for you, a traditional Labour voter, the disgusting part is not the preventable deaths due to austerity.
 
I feel like those not on twitter miss out on 90% of actual news lately. There are some fantastic journalists doing a great job whilst the likes of the BBC act as a Tory mouth piece.

Already today we've got the Mail citing an investigation by No 10 into remainers foreign collusion (lol), Cleverley announcing at conference that the Tories formed the NHS (post-truth world) and the BBC having to delete tweets because they didn't fact check the Tory line when No 10 told them they were building 40 new hospitals.

Also this:

 
berbatrick said:
Did you read this "fact check"?



SO basically 2 studies agree on the trend that preventable deaths have shot up during Tory rule, both agree on a somewhat similar number and both agree that spending reductions are a big factor in that number.

But for you, a traditional Labour voter, the disgusting part is not the preventable deaths due to austerity.
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Yes it is disgusting, that's why I posted the link. Whilst it's hard to attribute an actual figure, I don't think anybody can argue that deaths have increased as a result of Tory policies.
 
esmufc07 said:
Yes it is disgusting, that's why I posted the link. Whilst it's hard to attribute an actual figure, I don't think anybody can argue that deaths have increased as a result of Tory policies.
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OK it seems i totally misread your tone in the orgiinal comment, sorry
 
Smores said:
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I can only assume that her understanding is that feminism and feminist is to female what racism and racist is to race. In which case her boss is absolutely a feminist.
 


Still waiting for the media to give this the coverage that it so sorely needs. Can you imagine the headlines and uproar if a Labour MP bragged about being labelled an anti-Semite?
 
BobbyManc said:


Still waiting for the media to give this the coverage that it so sorely needs. Can you imagine the headlines and uproar if a Labour MP bragged about being labelled an anti-Semite?
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Who is Trevor Philips?
 
Interested to know if anyone on here will vote Tory after seeing BJ in action?
 
Appropriately, they're sell Boris Johnson mugs at the conference.
 
berbatrick said:
Did you read this "fact check"?



SO basically 2 studies agree on the trend that preventable deaths have shot up during Tory rule, both agree on a somewhat similar number and both agree that spending reductions are a big factor in that number.

But for you, a traditional Labour voter, the disgusting part is not the preventable deaths due to austerity.
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Radio 4 did a piece on this on their More or Less show which fact check statistics. They had this bloke on

http://www.lse.ac.uk/social-policy/people/academic-staff/Professor-Michael-Murphy

He said that while austerity is a plausible explanation there could be a number of other factors at play. The key point was a flatlining of increases in life expectancy, something which has happened across all Western democracies except for Denmark. The UK has performed very similar to Holland in this regard which is the most similar country in terms of climate etc. There has also been some bad winter epidemics and stalling in improvements of heart disease treatments. He also said that something like the widespread prescription of satins in recent years could be reaching the end of their efficacy. I think its fair to say that austerity will have an effect but you have to be sceptical of the figure.
 
BobbyManc said:


Still waiting for the media to give this the coverage that it so sorely needs. Can you imagine the headlines and uproar if a Labour MP bragged about being labelled an anti-Semite?
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Kuenssberg has already explained that Tory islamophobia is 'on a different political scale'
2cents said:
Who is Trevor Philips?
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Former chairman of the EHRC.
 
BBC top story headline is "PM 'model of restraint' amid language row'".

I mean come on now make it less obvious will you.
 
esmufc07 said:
Yes it is disgusting, that's why I posted the link. Whilst it's hard to attribute an actual figure, I don't think anybody can argue that deaths have increased as a result of Tory policies.
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Of course it can be argued that deaths have increased as a result of Tory policies. There is lots of evidence from various sources. It all paints a clear picture. Here is some more. Still disgusted?

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ied-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures
 
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sammsky1 said:
Interesting hypothesis: click for twitter thread

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I agree with his premise but i dont see how his logic works in a few areas. Just because parliament isn't sitting doesn't mean Johnson doesn't have to comply with the extension and most legal experts seem to think it'd be an open and shut case against the government.

I also don't think they'll do the VONC until they've amended the legislation to give someone else the power if Boris refuses.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Of course it can be argued that deaths have increased as a result of Tory policies. There is lots of evidence from various sources. It all paints a clear picture. Here is some more. Still disgusted?

https://www.theguardian.com/society...ied-after-fit-for-work-assessment-dwp-figures
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You have misunderstood me. I'm saying Tory policies have contributed to more deaths in society. I just don't believe the figure to be as high as 120,000 and I don't think it's useful for people to use this figure when they're shouting at conservative MPs.
 
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