Little & Large are as bad as they were the first time 'round.
Westminster Politics
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My take on it is somehow Boris is more of a Jeremy Hunt than Jeremy Hunt
Forgot this was on. Seems like I am lucky to miss it. Why bother with something that will boil your piss?
It's a simple error that is being rectified, nothing to be worried about.
Meanwhile, definitely somewhere in the country. "THIS IS A LETTER FROM THE GOVERNMENT WE'VE GIVEN YOU TOO MUCH TAX CREDITS SO GIVE US BACK THE MONEY NOW YOU SPONGING CNUTS".
UK bends over again?
Sir Kim Darroch resigns as UK ambassador to US
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48937120
Sir Kim Darroch resigns as UK ambassador to US
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48937120
Meanwhile, Trade Secretary Liam Fox apologises to renowned stateswoman Ivanka Trump.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-why-is-liam-fox-apologising-to-ivanka-trump
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...t-why-is-liam-fox-apologising-to-ivanka-trump
Not really a surprise from a post-brexit Britain.
I think we will see diplomats becoming a lot more Politically Correct from now on.
I find that even more contemptible than Boris not backing him. The official position of our government is to back our ambassador so why the feck is Fox then apologising?
This whole country is ridiculous.
Yup, we have to lick as much American ass as possible since we've turned our backs on Europe.
Yet another reason why Brexit was a fecking idiotic thing to do given Trumps in power. Sigh.
He was just being honest which is his job. Every single diplomatic cable on Trump will resemble that. The question is who leaked it and what was their motive.
Oh I agree he didn't do anything wrong, but some political correctness will now be expected.
The motive is seem clear when you consider the leaks were given to Isabel Oakeshott.
To get rid of a pro-european diplomat it appears from what the telegraph and others are reporting.
Apparently supporting our membership of the EU makes one biased in their job now. We'll no doubt see others hounded out too.
This is absolutely a foretaste of what it will be like to be weak and without friends on the world stage.
We used to punch above our weight... remember that phrase?
Start counting down the days until we lose our UN security council seat.
The right move at this point should have been to back him publicly while seeking his resignation, at some point in the near future, privately. Truth is, he's been royally fecked over and it's pretty disgusting to be honest. I hope he sues the feck out of everyone.
He was due to finish next January anyway no? This whole episode stinks.
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Feck me!
The Irony of abandoning Europe to leak the ass of a man that says "America first".
Quite clear. And looking at who it was leaked to, I can put my house on Farage and Banks being involved somehow. It's even transparent. Trump is on record saying Farage should be an intemediary during trade talks and we know back-door negotiations have already started. This is a ploy to get someone the hard brexiteers can bend in that position asap.
Brilliant times!
Once can bemoan the loss of influence of your country without it being all about Iraq, unless you are single track mind lefty, in which case everything is always tediously, relentlessly, obtusely, pointlessly always about Iraq.
So true. The invasion of Iraq was 16 years ago. There’s been a tonne of other geopolitical issues to deal with since then. It’s crazy how fixated some people are on something so long ago. It’s similar to the way the US right is still absolutely obsessed with 9/11. The extremes of left and right seem to have more and more in common these days.We'll be America's bitch every time they get a cock waving bellend in office like Bush or Trump.
The UK was the US' bitch in 2003, and is still one today. Maybe because of different reasons but the relationship hasn't changed.
Ah you've got me here. Always bringing up the wars.
Just out of curiosity when was this phase ?
Right - Muslim terrorists did 9/11, so lets banned muslims from entering the United States(Plus muslims birth rates! muslims birth rates! White genocide!) Also lets lock children up in cages.
Left - The Iraq war was bad
Pogue - See both have a lot in common.
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It amazes me that some contributors on here seem to believe they would get some serious information from the two Tory Party hopefuls in last nights debate...wake up folks its a television programme, put out at peak viewing time. Its entertainment, lots of finger waving, cutting across each other, ignoring the question master, putting forward questions that school children might have asked, I was expecting at the end that candidates would be asked what their favourite food is, and where do they like to go for their holidays.
I wonder how many of the reputed 160,000 tory members eligible to vote, were actually watching the 'knockabout' stuff served up.
There is an old saying that "we get the politicians we deserve".. that might also extend to TV programming
I wonder how many of the reputed 160,000 tory members eligible to vote, were actually watching the 'knockabout' stuff served up.
There is an old saying that "we get the politicians we deserve".. that might also extend to TV programming
You guys are a joke. Poster 1 brings up that we used to punch above our weight in the past. Poster 2 points out what came as part of that punching. Poster 3 laughs at poster 2 for bringing up the past, to try and back poster 1 up.
What would the appropriate reaction to what was served up last night by the leading lights of the governing party then?
To be honest Iraq is a great example of how a loss of influence and friends can be extremely damaging to us. We shouldn't have gone into Iraq, but who knows what we might be compelled into going into we become so dependent on the US. The US are the only country in the world who openly talk about who should they bomb next and we might end up following them to whatever situation they choose to go in.
Poster 1 was bemoaning how Britain used to be a country of international influence, which is fading away thanks to the Brexit clusterfeck. The leap from that to “but Iraq” was and is laughable. The Iraq war is a tiny footnote in the history of Britain being a nation that was more influential, globally, than its population would suggest.
Now that is a fair point.
Surely I just paraphrased what he meant?
To treat it for what it was 'entertainment', to relax and enjoy the 'knockabout/Punch & Judy' show, shout at the screen (if you must) 'he's behind you' … but don't expect to learn anything useful, that's the point I was trying to make, that clearly some contributors did take it as a serious debate!
And I pointed out what that influence was but apparently something something far right and far left have lots in common ?
No one really knows what he means by Britain punching above it's weight(Although I've yet to think of a example of Britain punching above its weight which did any good in the world) but the Iraq war is clearly a example (I could of used many but the Iraq war really annoys a certain type for some reason)of Britain punching above its weight and using its influence.
If some are going to cry about Britain losing influence in the world, it should be reminded what that influence actually was rather than for some bizarre nostalgia that never existed. But you know it was like ages go, so whatever I guess.
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Also one of the most recent footnotes but I guess we should stop caring about wars that ended less than a decade ago.
Not sure what you would prefer poster 2 have brought up considering poster 1 started talking about our glorious past.
How are we meant to ever get change if this charade is just accepted by everyone?
Dunno about “glorious past” but I’m sure most British people would settle for not being the laughing stock of the rest of the world, forced to grovel in front of a narcissistic feckwit like Donald Trump while engaging in prolonged, humiliating self harm.
I’d imagine that’s the sort of very low bar he had in mind when he was talking about how far Britain has fallen. But yeah, Iraq. Obviously that’s the main thing we should be talking about here.
You mean Iraq when we were doing worse than grovelling, in front of a feckwit like George Bush? If you want to talk about low bars then it's kind of relevant and very recent.
JFF. (Need a light break)
Utter bollox. The logic behind the motivation for going into Iraq can be debated all day long but any reasonable person would put the desire/need to grovel in front of Bush well down that list.
Can we stop all the willy waving and get back to talking about how worrying it is that yet again out future PM BoJo is a fecking coward?