Westminster Politics

Jippy said:
There's an obvious logic to using the private to clear the backlog and try and improve patient outcomes, but why does he have to couch it in such needlessly confrontational language? The guy is a tool and such a big liability. It never ends well for arrogant gobby shites like him.
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He's trying to placate the working-class righties? The country is insane.
 
Jippy said:
There's an obvious logic to using the private to clear the backlog and try and improve patient outcomes, but why does he have to couch it in such needlessly confrontational language? The guy is a tool and such a big liability. It never ends well for arrogant gobby shites like him.
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Because he's not talking to you.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
Every single thing he has said is trustable. The headlines are not.

He’s not advocating for increased use of private healthcare care. He’s advocating for use of private healthcare capacity.

I don’t care how much donations he takes. He’s a good egg. He maintains that the NHS should be free at point of use and has a good sense of how that can happen.

The left is so shellshocked at minor shit. He’s advocating for a private usage faaaaar below the Tory subterfuge sell-off plan. People should just roll with it and complain if he goes too far. He’s actually suggesting a regression from what’s actually happening.

The media is twisting reality. As always. It’s trying to stop the left voting for better outcomes. Seems to be succeeding.
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Fair enough. I massively disagree with that but I guess we'll find out if/when Labour win and he has to make these decisions.
 
The reality of private healthcare is that the poor will die more than the rich. Period.

As other point out, the doctors and nurses that work in NHS, will be working in private sector for more money. Not only that, for several treatments and tests that requires a very expensive machinery and installations, the private sector will go to the NHS and pay rent for this.

To not forget that this private sector will use the resources of the tax payers that paid for the universities resources to educate the doctors and nurses

In the end the private sector will not add any doctors or nurses, therefore, no more hours/services to the market that are not overworked (worse care) healthcare professionals that wants to work public and private for money. They might be more cost efficient in certain areas but that might result in worse care and the benefits will be kept by then.

So basically is creating a system for the ones that can afford paying private to jump the line for the same or worse care while the poor has to wait a longer time because they can't jump the line

Anything else are lies lies lies lies lies and more lies
 
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Anyways robot Thatcher is back in the news
 
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The country built hospitals during COVID to increase capacity. The idea our only option to temporarily increase capacity is to give barrowloads of cash to some private health company is the biggest load of absolute shite Streeting has come up with and anyone parroting it should be embarrassed for doing so. At least Wes is getting paid handsomely to do it.
 
Dobba said:
The country built hospitals during COVID to increase capacity. The idea our only option to temporarily increase capacity is to give barrowloads of cash to some private health company is the biggest load of absolute shite Streeting has come up with and anyone parroting it should be embarrassed for doing so. At least Wes is getting paid handsomely to do it.
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There was no staff to fill them.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
Because he's not talking to you.
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He's not directly, but he's still repelling me. I'll vote Labour because I can hold my nose re Starmer due to having an excellent constituency MP. It's very easy for me to not be arsed and abstain though, given I have to do a postal vote and may have a narrow window to do that.
 
Jippy said:
He's not directly, but he's still repelling me. I'll vote Labour because I can hold my nose re Starmer due to having an excellent constituency MP. It's very easy for me to not be arsed and abstain though, given I have to do a postal vote and may have a narrow window to do that.
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I agree but that's why he's saying this shit.

It's not for us who will vote Labour, it's for those who always vote Tory. A bigger majority, the easier government is.
 
I was in A&E from 10 pm to 5 am with my daughter on Good Friday/Easter Saturday. When we finally got to go to the treatment area at about 3 am I was glad to have been sat in the waiting room for the rest of the time. When we were walking between the waiting room and the little mini-ward for kids in A&E it was just wall to wall with old people laying in beds in the corridors, because there wasn't the bed capacity in cubicles and on the wards. I was glad for my 6 year old daughter not to have to see that.

I don't understand how anyone can visit a hospital in this country these days and want to vote Tory in the next GE.
 
Offsideagain said:
Net zero is all bollocks anyway. We just buy carbon credits and keep pumping out the stuff. The CO2 panic and climate change, like racism, has become an industry lining the pockets of a few people that regularly appear on TV and radio. One will say we will all be dead in 30 years time, baked to death in the increasing heat caused by CO2. Another person says we are actually in a CO2 deficit as we've planted more trees and crops which need CO2 to grow. It's like these left wing muppets that come on tv and talk down our country whilst living in posh streets in bought with all the appearance money they get and donations from guilty millionaires. BTW, guess how much CO2 is actually in the atmosphere. 5%?, 10 %? It's actually 0.04% of the total atmosphere. If all they world stopped producing CO2 it wouldn't matter because it hangs around for about 300 years or longer. Methane, another greenhouse gas, only hangs around for 10 or 12 years but absorbs more hear, so we should be concentrating on stopping mammals farting to cool the earth. Oh, and dispersing clouds too.
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A comfort blanket of gibberish.
 
That'sHernandez said:
I was in A&E from 10 pm to 5 am with my daughter on Good Friday/Easter Saturday. When we finally got to go to the treatment area at about 3 am I was glad to have been sat in the waiting room for the rest of the time. When we were walking between the waiting room and the little mini-ward for kids in A&E it was just wall to wall with old people laying in beds in the corridors, because there wasn't the bed capacity in cubicles and on the wards. I was glad for my 6 year old daughter not to have to see that.

I don't understand how anyone can visit a hospital in this country these days and want to vote Tory in the next GE.
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How could anyone actually have voted for Brexit. Could well be the same people.
 
Murder on Zidane's Floor said:
I usually don't take what the person is saying, rather listen to the interview.
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@Pogue Mahone posted in the Transgender rights thread and I thought it was useful. More in depth discussion on the subject should take place in the correct thread, but this may be useful as a summary of the report when looking at political reaction in this thread:

Pogue Mahone said:
The tl;dr version:

Overview of key findings
  • There is no simple explanation for the increase in the numbers of predominantly young people and young adults who have a trans or gender diverse identity, but there is broad agreement that it is a result of a complex interplay between biological, psychological and social factors. This balance of factors will be different in each individual.
  • There are conflicting views about the clinical approach, with expectations of care at times being far from usual clinical practice. This has made some clinicians fearful of working with gender-questioning young people, despite their presentation being similar to many children and young people presenting to other NHS services.
  • An appraisal of international guidelines for care and treatment of children and young people with gender incongruence found that that no single guideline could be applied in its entirety to the NHS in England.
  • While a considerable amount of research has been published in this field, systematic evidence reviews demonstrated the poor quality of the published studies, meaning there is not a reliable evidence base upon which to make clinical decisions, or for children and their families to make informed choices.
  • The strengths and weaknesses of the evidence base on the care of children and young people are often misrepresented and overstated, both in scientific publications and social debate.
  • The controversy surrounding the use of medical treatments has taken focus away from what the individualised care and treatment is intended to achieve for individuals seeking support from NHS gender services.
  • The rationale for early puberty suppression remains unclear, with weak evidence regarding the impact on gender dysphoria, mental or psychosocial health. The effect on cognitive and psychosexual development remains unknown.
  • The use of masculinising / feminising hormones in those under the age of 18 also presents many unknowns, despite their longstanding use in the adult transgender population. The lack of long-term follow-up data on those commencing treatment at an earlier age means we have inadequate information about the range of outcomes for this group.
  • Clinicians are unable to determine with any certainty which children and young people will go on to have an enduring trans identity.
  • For most young people, a medical pathway will not be the best way to manage their gender-related distress. For those young people for whom a medical pathway is clinically indicated, it is not enough to provide this without also addressing wider mental health and/or psychosocially challenging problems.
  • Innovation is important if medicine is to move forward, but there must be a proportionate level of monitoring, oversight and regulation that does not stifle progress, while preventing creep of unproven approaches into clinical practice. Innovation must draw from and contribute to the evidence base.
Overview of Recommendations
The recommendations set out a different approach to healthcare, more closely aligned with usual NHS clinical practice that considers the young person holistically and not solely in terms of their gender-related distress. The central aim of assessment should be to help young people to thrive and achieve their life goals.

  • Services must operate to the same standards as other services seeing children and young people with complex presentations and/or additional risk factors.
  • Expand capacity through a distributed service model, based in paediatric services and with stronger links between secondary and specialist services.
  • Children/ young people referred to NHS gender services must receive a holistic assessment of their needs to inform an individualised care plan. This should include screening for neurodevelopmental conditions, including autism spectrum disorder, and a mental health assessment.
  • Standard evidence based psychological and psychopharmacological treatment approaches should be used to support the management of the associated distress from gender incongruence and cooccurring conditions, including support for parents/carers and siblings as appropriate.
  • Services should establish a separate pathway for pre-pubertal children and their families. ensuring that they are prioritised for early discussion about how parents can best support their child in a balanced and non-judgemental way. When families/carers are making decisions about social transition of pre-pubertal children, services should ensure that they can be seen as early as possible by a clinical professional with relevant experience.
  • NHS England should ensure that each Regional Centre has a follow-through service for 17–25-year-olds; either by extending the range of the regional children and young people’s service or through linked services, to ensure continuity of care and support at a potentially vulnerable stage in their journey.  This will also allow clinical, and research follow up data to be collected.
  • There needs to be provision for people considering detransition, recognising that they may not wish to re-engage with the services whose care they were previously under.
  • A full programme of research should be established to look at the characteristics, interventions and outcomes of every young person presenting to the NHS gender services.
  • The puberty blocker trial previously announced by NHS England should be part of a programme of research which also evaluates outcomes of psychosocial interventions and masculinising/ feminising hormones.
  • The option to provide masculinising/feminising hormones from age 16 is available, but the Review recommends extreme caution. There should be a clear clinical rationale for providing hormones at this stage rather than waiting until an individual reaches 18. Every case considered for medical treatment should be discussed at a national Multi- Disciplinary Team (MDT).
  • Implications of private healthcare on any future requests to the NHS for treatment, monitoring and/or involvement in research, and the dispensing responsibilities of pharmacists of private prescriptions needs to be clearly communicated.
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DanH said:
@Pogue Mahone posted in the Transgender rights thread and I thought it was useful. More in depth discussion on the subject should take place in the correct thread, but this may be useful as a summary of the report when looking at political reaction in this thread:
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Read this (I cannot post on that thread) but Pogue posted and his comments I thought were fair.

Like the report, it's fair balanced but as this is such a fractious issue, it's just being used to scream and claim all sorts of nonsense.
 
TheGame said:
Ah yes the last referendum went so well. This is Farage’s new grift it seems.

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So Farage doesn't understand that the ECHR is not an EU institution.

He now wants the public to vote to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol and Windsor framework and all trade deals, especially the one with the EU and people would fall for this complete nonsense because he's a racist xenophobe. Come on you Brexiters, press the self-destruct button yet again.

When will someone lock this moron up?
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Farage doesn't understand that the ECHR is not an EU institution.

He now wants the public to vote to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol and Windsor framework and all trade deals, especially the one with the EU and people would fall for this complete nonsense because he's a racist xenophobe. Come on you Brexiters, press the self-destruct button yet again.

When will someone lock this moron up?
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I don't know why you allow german citizens to get elected
 
Paul the Wolf said:
So Farage doesn't understand that the ECHR is not an EU institution.

He now wants the public to vote to cancel the Northern Ireland protocol and Windsor framework and all trade deals, especially the one with the EU and people would fall for this complete nonsense because he's a racist xenophobe. Come on you Brexiters, press the self-destruct button yet again.

When will someone lock this moron up?
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Don't forget the peace process too.
 
Frosty said:
Don't forget the peace process too.
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And just about everything on the international front. At some point in time, surely it must dawn on the British public that this tw@t has taken them for a ride for over twenty years and an angry mob will chase him through the gates of Pentonville Prison.
 
Having worked in elections, postal voting in the UK is one of the most secure methods to vote by. There are numerous checks involved throughout the process. If Farage had any evidence, he would go to the authorities but he's talking bollocks.
 
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