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There are a lot more poor white people than there are poor ethnic minorities.

So the campaign against Diane Abbott was also racist and not because she is a f***ing idiot? Wow.

THats because there is a lot more white people than ethnic minorities. That exponential ratio difference may have escaped you unless you think there are more ethnic minorities than there are white people (Which included non-indigenous white people also)
 
There are a lot more poor white people than there are poor ethnic minorities.

So the campaign against Diane Abbott was also racist and not because she is a f***ing idiot? Wow.
She's no more of a f***cking idiot than Theresa May or Amber Rudd, neither of which have suffered remotely the same level of online vitriol as Abbott despite both being so patently inept. That f***cking idiot you referred to also managed to increase her majority in her constituency by over 20k.
 
Tories being racist? Well colour me surprised

I don't think it's an coincidence that she felt so comfortable using that word amongst her peers, and considering nobody actually reacted when she said it suggests that this wasn't the first time she's saying something so disgusting either.
She just seems to be the first to get caught for it.

There are a lot more poor white people than there are poor ethnic minorities.

So the campaign against Diane Abbott was also racist and not because she is a f***ing idiot? Wow.

99% of politicians are idiots, but the continuous harassment that Abbott faces is motivated by her race, absolutely.
 
THats because there is a lot more white people than ethnic minorities. That exponential ratio difference may have escaped you unless you think there are more ethnic minorities than there are white people (Which included non-indigenous white people also)

Her selection of demographics is clearly open to question. More importantly, her interpretation of the statistics gave no consideration to any other factors. Was it not interesting that the largest single group among British Asian, Indian, barely featured? Or that those of the Chinese community was not mentioned once?

This racially motivated austerity must've been very particular.
 
Cameron knew throughout his time who austerity hurts the most and yet he continued. Austerity is a racist policy.
That's a bit of a sweeping statement at best. I get the ratio argument, but in absolute terms it clearly hits tens if not hundreds of thousands more poor white folk. A degree of austerity has clearly been needed- whether how it was implemented was right is another question.
 
The PC brigade strike again in the Morris case.

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The PC brigade strike again in the Morris case.

The Daily Mail comments never fail to amaze/terrify me. The thing is they're clearly the most precious bunch of the lot yet they don't see it.
 
Wouldn't say so at all, just look at the last general election and the campaign against Diane Abbott. And also



Mrs Morris views are well established in the tory party.


Diane Abbot frankly got off lightly given the utter incompetence she displayed throughout the election campaign - that was nothing to do with race and everything to do with her being a borderline joke. If she was not an ethnic minority I suspect she would have got even more negative coverage, the fact she is probably helped her.
 
Diane Abbot frankly got off lightly given the utter incompetence she displayed throughout the election campaign - that was nothing to do with race and everything to do with her being a borderline joke. If she was not an ethnic minority I suspect she would have got even more negative coverage, the fact she is probably helped her.
Yeah, like Phillip Hammond getting HS2 wrong by (at least) £20bn did. Oh hang on.
 
Diane Abbot frankly got off lightly given the utter incompetence she displayed throughout the election campaign - that was nothing to do with race and everything to do with her being a borderline joke. If she was not an ethnic minority I suspect she would have got even more negative coverage, the fact she is probably helped her.

Got off lightly compared to who?

This was racist campaigning, the Tories previously demonstrated this with Sadiq Khan
 
Diane Abbot frankly got off lightly given the utter incompetence she displayed throughout the election campaign - that was nothing to do with race and everything to do with her being a borderline joke. If she was not an ethnic minority I suspect she would have got even more negative coverage, the fact she is probably helped her.

That's honestly laughable.

What did she do that deserved the treatment that she got?
In fact what did she do that Amber Rudd, Hammond, BoJo or May didn't do themselves and received much less negative press for?
I'm sure Rudd admitted to, or rather didn't deny, that the Tories were selling arms to the Saudi's in the wake of two domestic terrorist incidents.
 
@evra

You sure you were actually paying attention? Diane Abbot was the talking point for a few weeks and was ridiculed constantly while Tories got away with blunder after blunder with little media attention. I know it was after the Election, but Boris Johnson had an interview where he couldn't answer a single question and yet barely any mention of it in the press.
 
@evra

You sure you were actually paying attention? Diane Abbot was the talking point for a few weeks and was ridiculed constantly while Tories got away with blunder after blunder with little media attention. I know it was after the Election, but Boris Johnson had an interview where he couldn't answer a single question and yet barely any mention of it in the press.

That's not because she's black, that's because she's Labour and the mainstream press is so largely pro-Tory. If she was white they'd have attacked her all the same and she'd have become a meme all the same. I'd have criticised her all the same as well because, as a lefty, I want better from the most left-wing Labour party in my lifetime. The Tories on the other hand I don't critique so much, not because they're white, but because I disagree with them on so much so vehemently that it's just not as important to me.
 
Still doesn't explain or excuse the numerous published photos of Abbot in the supposed throes of shouting; as with the press treatment of Michelle Obama, it encourages others to think in terms of racial stereotypes ('the relentlessly angry, demanding, uppity black person who doesn't know their place & won't brook argument').
 
Got off lightly compared to who?

This was racist campaigning, the Tories previously demonstrated this with Sadiq Khan

The left are so keen to label things racist it's laughable. Every time something goes against you all you do is cry racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia etc. Absolutely no evidence that Dianne Abbot was targeted because she is a minority - she was targeted because she is incompetent. You need to stop playing that card all the time, it's becoming devalued to the point that if there was something actually sexist/racist people would ignore it because you are crying wolf every fecking day.
 
The left are so keen to label things racist it's laughable. Every time something goes against you all you do is cry racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia etc. Absolutely no evidence that Dianne Abbot was targeted because she is a minority - she was targeted because she is incompetent. You need to stop playing that card all the time, it's becoming devalued to the point that if there was something actually sexist/racist people would ignore it because you are crying wolf every fecking day.

There is no race card - that's ignorant.
You're ignoring racism right now simply you don't want to hear about it
 
feck me look how many likes they are getting, thousands lol. People still running around trying to make sure everyone's head is in the sand.
It's sometimes hard to figure what is worse- the comments themselves or the volume of upvotes they get.
 
The left are so keen to label things racist it's laughable. Every time something goes against you all you do is cry racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia etc. Absolutely no evidence that Dianne Abbot was targeted because she is a minority - she was targeted because she is incompetent. You need to stop playing that card all the time, it's becoming devalued to the point that if there was something actually sexist/racist people would ignore it because you are crying wolf every fecking day.
If only things were that simple.

You talk as is racism isn't something complex and only clear cut remarks or actions should be defined as such. You may consider those the things the issue, but really the concern is the mindset/stereotypes is where the problem lies and that in itself is difficult to detect nevermind change.

A little example when a white person tells a black person "oh wow you're a smart guy or you speak well". The comment in itself is intended as a compliment and there is no hard evidence to suggest otherwise. Not something that's easy or even possible to quantify but this comment often comes from the underlying racist perception that as a black man you're not meant to be smart or speak like that. You can debate this, but I've heard on numerous occasions comments like this and believe me it's pretty easy to gauge when this is the case.
 
That's a bit of a sweeping statement at best. I get the ratio argument, but in absolute terms it clearly hits tens if not hundreds of thousands more poor white folk. A degree of austerity has clearly been needed- whether how it was implemented was right is another question.
Who's come to that conclusion ?

Personally I think calling the economic policy of almost 10 years austerity is actually being too kind to the tories. Just look at where the cuts took place or more importantly were they didn't

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/23/cabinet-ministers-councils-least-hit-budget-cuts

It was class war politics. Not to mention Cameron was always more concerned about bankers and their bonuses then the people killing themselves because of benefits sanctions.


That's not because she's black, that's because she's Labour and the mainstream press is so largely pro-Tory. If she was white they'd have attacked her all the same and she'd have become a meme all the same. I'd have criticised her all the same as well because, as a lefty, I want better from the most left-wing Labour party in my lifetime. The Tories on the other hand I don't critique so much, not because they're white, but because I disagree with them on so much so vehemently that it's just not as important to me.
Angela Rayner(White Women Labour MP)making a similar mistake as Abbott -http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/angela-rayner-labour-schools-policy-10391882

Yet I don't remember Angela appearing on tory leaflets.
 
It's sometimes hard to figure what is worse- the comments themselves or the volume of upvotes they get.

We still have the "Political correctness gone mad" brigade in full force chomping at the bit to try and obfuscate these situations. There are even ***** on here who try and divert attention away from the main incident by latching onto vaguely related topics for example like the Diane Abbot reference. There are either the insidious little wretches who think they can disguise their backwards mentality bringing out the old "race card" argument and those that are so defensive and don't realise they are defending racist attitudes (perhaps even their own unbeknownst themselves)
 
The left are so keen to label things racist it's laughable. Every time something goes against you all you do is cry racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia etc. Absolutely no evidence that Dianne Abbot was targeted because she is a minority - she was targeted because she is incompetent. You need to stop playing that card all the time, it's becoming devalued to the point that if there was something actually sexist/racist people would ignore it because you are crying wolf every fecking day.

And the campaign against Sadiq Khan?
 
That was all well above the belt as far as I was concerned - Khan has shared platforms with ISISesque crackpots who genuinely think there is a caliphate and that they are at war with the UK. If Goldsmith had shared platforms with Nazi sympathisers would it have been below the belt to use that?

Some of the same muslims Goldsmith had met. This is what life is like with your head buried in the sand, must be comforting
 
If it triggers a byelection, it's a safe Tory seat anyway. May as well just sack her.
 
Theresa May avoids PMQs to meet with King of Spain on his visit (a mile away). Theresa May set to avoid talking about Gibraltor on his visit.

So she's basically swerving any responsibility, most likely because she can't handle either of those things very well.
 
Theresa May avoids PMQs to meet with King of Spain on his visit (a mile away). Theresa May set to avoid talking about Gibraltor on his visit. So she's basically swerving any responsibility, most likely because she can't handle either of those things very well.
What are Spain doing letting him out of the country? He'll need to hurry back or their tourist trade will fall to pieces.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40592808

Theresa May has revealed she shed a "little tear" when she learned the result of the election exit poll suggesting she would lose her majority.

It's a shame that her compassion doesn't extend to anyone but herself. You could easily take this quote and change it to;

Jill Smith has revealed she shed a "little tear" when she learned the result of the disability means test suggesting she would lose her benefits.

or

John Smith has revealed he shed a "little tear" when he learned the result of the citizenship test suggesting he would lose his UK Visa.
 


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Looking at the replies to that video it seems a lot of people seem to think Abbott has said 'The problem with Britain isn't immigration, it's white people' :lol:

Is this why so many think she's racist?
 
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That's honestly laughable.

What did she do that deserved the treatment that she got?
In fact what did she do that Amber Rudd, Hammond, BoJo or May didn't do themselves and received much less negative press for?
I'm sure Rudd admitted to, or rather didn't deny, that the Tories were selling arms to the Saudi's in the wake of two domestic terrorist incidents.

Plenty of politicians on both sides make stupid remarks. What separates Diane Abbott from everyone else is that she is always making stupid remarks, and the press go after her because of how aggressively she reacts when people question her.

The colour of her skin doesn't come in to it. No other politician, black or otherwise, gets the stick she does, because they don't say the things she does.
 
Plenty of politicians on both sides make stupid remarks. What separates Diane Abbott from everyone else is that she is always making stupid remarks, and the press go after her because of how aggressively she reacts when people question her.

The colour of her skin doesn't come in to it. No other politician, black or otherwise, gets the stick she does, because they don't say the things she does.

Angry black woman stereotype, eh? And yet race doesn't come into it at all.

Do you have any examples of her 'aggressive' reactions'?
I can't say that I've noticed her being any more aggressive than any other politician when questioned, assertive sure, but not aggressive.

And even then that doesn't justify the amount of vitriol and hate she gets, that's a ridiculous claim, but I look forward to seeing these aggressive reactions of hers.