Westminster Politics

Smores said:
Are you really complaining that an awareness campaign to fund schools properly is of no value because it doesn't lay out a plan for the countries budget?
I know the tory leadership has long abandoned providing any detail over anything but i think your confusing who runs the country.
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I am critical of the individuals interviewed (their responses), and the notion that the 5%ers are now some vast resource upon which we can draw for the majority of our needs. In one fashion or another, both Corbyn's manifesto and the demands of the future shall require a broader base than advertised.
 
Smores said:
They've been stealing policies for a time now anyway. Which is a good thing i guess.

I think the Guardian may have spun this somewhat though. Her speech will be about reaching out to business and interest groups im sure.

I just hope Davis doesn't get in and proudly proclaim we don't need another election. He's worse than May.
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I take this back it seems the more recent reporting is her inviting Labour. I think its politics though, she's trying to paint Labour as sitting on the sidelines and wants to share blame when it all goes tits up.
 
Smores said:
Are you really complaining that an awareness campaign to fund schools properly is of no value because it doesn't lay out a plan for the countries budget?
I know the tory leadership has long abandoned providing any detail over anything but i think your confusing who runs the country.
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Teresa May wants labour to give her policies to run the country, and I think Nick is expecting the same. Bloody opposition, opposing stuff!
 
SteveJ said:
Hilarious:



https://www.theguardian.com/politic...lp-create-policies-amid-tory-plot-to-oust-her
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Brexit is a Tory/Ukip product. Why on earth would they want to share this glorious event with labour? May, Farage, Davies, Boris, Hannan and Gove should make it clear to the British public that they are the sole architects of Brexit and they are full accountable of what happens next.

Maybe the queen should reintroduce the hanged drawn and quartered practice for this particular event. Just in the very unlikely case that things do go tits up and these people are caught lying.
 
I forsee an actual "Brexit" not happening and some sort of pseudo one instead to placate the voters who wanted it. This will happen mainly because as the people involved start unravelling it only then do you see the true cluster feck it really is. A decision for national interest may arise where no matter what the consequences are so staggering that they can't force them through by hook or by crook.
 

I'll give you three guesses what this haunted Victorian doll's view on Labour MPs being called Tories was.

Edit: My mistake, that wasn't even the richest source of his hypocrisy.
 
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Baxter said:
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Seems someone uses that phrase every few years. You'd think they'd learn that it should have been left in the nineteenth century where it belongs.
 
How does someone have an expression like that in their regular vocabulary that it just slips out instead of saying elephant in the room? And then to not even flinch you've just used that word.
 
Conservatives just issued a statement.

Conservative statement on Anne Marie Morris:

Prime Minister Theresa May said:

“I was shocked to hear of these remarks, which are completely unacceptable.

“I immediately asked the Chief Whip to suspend the party whip.

“Language like this has absolutely no place in politics or in today’s society.”

ENDS
 
Jippy said:
Seems someone uses that phrase every few years. You'd think they'd learn that it should have been left in the nineteenth century where it belongs.
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Not a phrase i've ever heard before.
 
Dan said:
Not a phrase i've ever heard before.
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Me neither, i dont see how that just slips out either unless its a phrase used in private. She should be sacked its unacceptable full stop.
 
Dan said:
Not a phrase i've ever heard before.
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There was a big hoohah in my field when the then Aussie Standard Life CEO used it a while back. He said it 'was commonly used' when he was growing up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1540531/Insurance-boss-apologises-for-racist-remark.html

As as well the obvious 'N' bomb, the etymology is hideous, referring to the problem of finding an escaped slave hiding in your woodpile iirc. It used to be an accepted phrase, but it's been unacceptable for that long, there is no excuse for using it tbh.
 
Pete Beale said it on Eastenders once. But then, he had a brain like a dried pea rolling 'round a squash court.
 
Smores said:
Me neither, i dont see how that just slips out either unless its a phrase used in private. She should be sacked its unacceptable full stop.
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I've never heard it before however even if someone uses it they must realise that it's completely mental to say it public. It's horrible.
 
Baxter said:
I've never heard it before however even if someone uses it they must realise that it's completely mental to say it public. It's horrible.
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That's the thing. The older guys on the forum recognise these dodgy phrases, as you heard them in the 1970s/80s, but you younger guys haven't heard them, reflecting how far we've come, in that they've been completely unacceptable for decades now.
It beggars belief that public figures still occasionally blurt them out. Have they been living under a rock for 30 years?
 
I've seen the phrase appear in a few novels and possibly overheard it in conversation once or twice in thirty years. A monumentally stupid event to end one's career, but that is my expectation.


Dave89 said:
Teresa May wants labour to give her policies to run the country, and I think Nick is expecting the same. Bloody opposition, opposing stuff!
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I expect the advocates of policies to have a reasonable understanding of their message and be able to provide a coherent response. That pair fell considerable short of the mark IMO.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
I've seen the phrase appear in a few novels and possibly overheard it in conversation once or twice in thirty years. A monumentally stupid event to end one's career, but that is my expectation.
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Apologies if I'm mistaken but my instinct is people don't hold Conservative MP's to a high enough standard, regarding casual racism, that this will be the end of her.

Maybe we've moved on - I would hope so - but I'm still of a mind that people sort of expect this sort of thing occasionally and are okay with it.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Apologies if I'm mistaken but my instinct is people don't hold Conservative MP's to a high enough standard, regarding casual racism, that this will be the end of her.

Maybe we've moved on - I would hope so - but I'm still of a mind that people sort of expect this sort of thing occasionally and are okay with it.
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Speaking to my features ed earlier (who is from Plymouth), he said he said her constituency is a weird part of Devon who won't flinch at the phrase.
 
Jippy said:
Speaking to my features ed earlier (who is from Plymouth), he said he said her constituency is a weird part of Devon who won't flinch at the phrase.
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The Ooh Arr Ay strikes again, chief.
 
Her husband is a massive arsehole as well

http://www.devonlive.com/anne-marie...stings-event/story-30365953-detail/story.html

Mr Pigeon said:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jul/10/teachers-pay-to-remain-capped-at-1-dfe-announces


Teachers' pay to remain capped at 1%, DfE announces



No you don't, you odious cnuts. Feck off. Seriously, fecking just feck off you utter bastards. It would be slightly less of an insult if they didn't decide to hide this news behind the scandal from one of their own fecking MPs.
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Hopefully it won't but I can see them trying.
 
SteveJ said:
The Ooh Arr Ay strikes again, chief.
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Seriously, the boundaries are blurring. Are they a a real thing or have I been reading apiln too long?!
 
Re: Teachers' pay

My prediction is that there will some change to state pay increases in the Budget, but not sector-by-sector in the months beforehand. And unless we are giving up on continued deficit reduction entirely, it might be prudent to offer such relief to those employees at the lower end of the pay scale. The alternative, could be less well-off parents funding the salary increases of relatively wealthy teachers.


DiseaseOfTheAge said:
Apologies if I'm mistaken but my instinct is people don't hold Conservative MP's to a high enough standard, regarding casual racism, that this will be the end of her.

Maybe we've moved on - I would hope so - but I'm still of a mind that people sort of expect this sort of thing occasionally and are okay with it.
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When was the last time an MP found themselves in a scandal of this nature, Naz Shah?

Morris' remarks were directly spoken however, and will lead to a resignation i believe.
 
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Nick 0208 Ldn said:
When was the last time an MP found themselves in a scandal of this nature, Naz Shah?

Morris' remarks were directly spoken however, and will lead to a resignation i believe.
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I don't really think we can compare the two.

Labour's anti-semitism problem is an ongoing battle.

The Tories generic casual racism issue isn't - it's more a load of people who genuinely have no idea that the things they come out with in private haven't been okay for decades.

I feel the former is one to be taken seriously. The latter is just a matter of getting rid of a few clueless idiots.
 
DiseaseOfTheAge said:
I don't really think we can compare the two.

Labour's anti-semitism problem is an ongoing battle.

The Tories generic casual racism issue isn't - it's more a load of people who genuinely have no idea that the things they come out with in private haven't been okay for decades.

I feel the former is one to be taken seriously. The latter is just a matter of getting rid of a few clueless idiots.
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Wouldn't say so at all, just look at the last general election and the campaign against Diane Abbott. And also



Mrs Morris views are well established in the tory party.
 
Sweet Square said:
Wouldn't say so at all, just look at the last general election and the campaign against Diane Abbott. And also



Mrs Morris views are well established in the tory party.
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I'm entirely ware of the race issues related to Tory policy. I tend to think of it as somewhat separate to the sort who don't understand why their children can't have gollywogs anymore, though.
 
Nick 0208 Ldn said:
And what exactly, some YouTuber's interpretation of statistics? Do you actually believe that one of the motivations for Cameron's austerity was racial?
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Cameron knew throughout his time who austerity hurts the most and yet he continued. Austerity is a racist policy.
 
Sweet Square said:
Cameron knew throughout his time who austerity hurts the most and yet he continued. Austerity is a racist policy.
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There are a lot more poor white people than there are poor ethnic minorities.

So the campaign against Diane Abbott was also racist and not because she is a f***ing idiot? Wow.
 
This racist stuff feels like nonsense. Maybe they should look into the underlying reasons as to why this is happening instead of pushing their agenda based on convenient interpretations.
 
Jippy said:
Conservatives just issued a statement.

Conservative statement on Anne Marie Morris:

Prime Minister Theresa May said:

“I was shocked to hear of these remarks, which are completely unacceptable.

“I immediately asked the Chief Whip to suspend the party whip.

“Language like this has absolutely no place in politics or in today’s society.”

ENDS
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"Language" perhaps but a deep-seated attitude has every place in politics and society. Mere rhetoric to hid things under the surface won't solve the issue.
 
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