Not a good look when the Tories are outflanking the supposed left-wing party from the left.
Westminster Politics 2024-2029
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Former British colonies owe ‘debt of gratitude’, says Robert Jenrick
Tory leadership candidate wades into reparations debate, arguing empire brought democratic institutionshttps://www.theguardian.com/politic...-debt-of-gratitude-robert-jenrick-reparations
Britain’s former colonies should be thankful for the legacy of empire, not demanding reparations, according to the Conservative leadership candidate Robert Jenrick.
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Ungrateful. After all we did for them.
Jenrick actually went there...the whole british empire introducing good Christian values to evil backward natives. Had the gall / thickfeckedness even to mention democratisation.
The racist MF. Feck anyone who supports the tories if this is how low they are prepared to stoop.
The racist MF. Feck anyone who supports the tories if this is how low they are prepared to stoop.
What an actual fecking cnut. The bare-faced cheek of him.
Reminds me of Eric Williams' quote in Capitalism and Slavery:
‘The British historians wrote almost as if Britain had introduced Negro slavery solely for the satisfaction of abolishing it.’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...k-on-slave-economy-is-finally-published-in-uk
Our role in enforcing the abolition of slavery should be recognised. That is not the same as implying colonised countries should be grateful for being colonised. Any idiot should see the difference.
You tell em, Robert!
Sigh.
I know you tried to be funny, and your humour just so happens to be conservative, but the point of reparations is supposed to either be compensation for past economic harm, or paying pack extracted economic benefits. You saying that the UK should counter with a bill for the cost of policing the Empire's own subjects implies that the benefit the colonized people derived from this patrolling outweighed the harm of the colonization itself. Seeing as the navy fining and arresting slavers was a policy enacting while the Empire was still actively colonizing, that also means colonization was a net positive for the colonized.
Why shouldn't they be grateful?
No,.someone said the bill.of trillions was a first move in a negotiation so I said we should present a bill of our own. And yes it was meant not entirely seriously but then I can't take the bill of trillions seriously either. Everything you are.saying above is just reaching. I'm not making that argument.
A counter is usually a new offer, so you either meant 18 trillion minus the cost of patrolling, which means that you're basically accepting to pay almost all of it, or you just meant the bill. We all know you didn't mean the first one.
The people republic of Manchester has gone to war with the British government.
Imagine trying to extrapolate conclusions from a policy that's not even been implemented yet! And they wonder why nobody takes The Guardian seriously anymore...
For example, their plan to claw back Jeremy Hunt’s £20bn in national insurance cuts for employees via a £20bn rise in national insurance for employers is a fiscal prompt for the words “daft” and “brush”.
Brilliant, because when businesses are looking at budgets, pay increases or even where international staff will be hired - Im sure minimum wage, higher NI, capital gains and other taxs won't come into play.
They are hiding this very very poorly
Roll on tomorrow. Its going to be a good read on the thread.
They reported it was never going to affect Manchester or London, as their bus prices are set by the local authority. More places need to be able to do the same.
Transport is devolved, so that also means Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, as well as major cities and urban areas.
But this is problematic. Obviously, urban areas have many more transport links, and bigger budgets to offer subsidies.
So the £3 hike will fall on rural or semi-rural areas which do not have a metro mayor or are not covered by devolved government. And many of them only have bus services to rely on for public transport. People won't have a choice but to pay more.
He doesn’t have to make any such claim, as it’s right there front and centre in the British honours system ffs.
I didn't vote for this labour gov. I think the online discourse that this is the worst government ever is ridiculous and undeserved. But this budget needs to be something quite remarkable, making big strides in addressing the ever growing inequality while dealing with a huge spending deficit, a trade defecit that shows no sign of going away and manifesto promises that have seemingly tied their hands. A bit of tinkering at the edges in a safe budget simply isn't an option. The spin against Reeves and Starmer will be immediate and unrelenting, whatever they announce. There is little chance of them not getting hammered in the coming days.
However, I still think meaningful effective change is possible. My natural optomism makes me feel that, given how much time they've had to prepare, surely they have a few rabbits to pull from the hat? Maybe a focus on taxing income made in this country before it has the possibility of being off-shored? Also, it can't be impossible to tax the wealthiest without hammering those whose only notable wealth is an expensive home, for example. Maybe decrease the levels of tax free savings, which is an effective tax cut for the highest earners which simply isn't available to those on lower incomes.
Most of all though, I'd like to see some major steps to relieve public sector budgets by overhauling procurement procedures. Huge amounts are wasted just by the NHS, education and councils due to bizarre rules which only serve to enrich certain private companies. Some services should clearly come back in-house as the privatised alternative is rarely cheaper and is typically far worse. I know of many examples from schools who pay hugely inflated prices for crucial resources in order to postpone payments. Producing some of these resources oursleves seems like such an obvious win for budgets that have been stretched beyond breaking point.
Anyone else feeling any optomism? Of course, if they mess this up today and this could be a long 5 years, followed by yet another tory government.
However, I still think meaningful effective change is possible. My natural optomism makes me feel that, given how much time they've had to prepare, surely they have a few rabbits to pull from the hat? Maybe a focus on taxing income made in this country before it has the possibility of being off-shored? Also, it can't be impossible to tax the wealthiest without hammering those whose only notable wealth is an expensive home, for example. Maybe decrease the levels of tax free savings, which is an effective tax cut for the highest earners which simply isn't available to those on lower incomes.
Most of all though, I'd like to see some major steps to relieve public sector budgets by overhauling procurement procedures. Huge amounts are wasted just by the NHS, education and councils due to bizarre rules which only serve to enrich certain private companies. Some services should clearly come back in-house as the privatised alternative is rarely cheaper and is typically far worse. I know of many examples from schools who pay hugely inflated prices for crucial resources in order to postpone payments. Producing some of these resources oursleves seems like such an obvious win for budgets that have been stretched beyond breaking point.
Anyone else feeling any optomism? Of course, if they mess this up today and this could be a long 5 years, followed by yet another tory government.
They’re not looking to tackle inequality.
They are looking to balance the books. It’s clear that everyone is going to be worse off off the back of this budget with the idea of short term pain for long term gain. Aka 2010 all over again.
Like I said, I didn't vote for them. Partly because I didn't hear enough regarding some of the worst levels of inequality among developed nations.
Yet somehow, I hope that their talk of 'those with the broadest shoulders' actually carries some weight.
Christ I hate all the shouting from the benches.
If only Ten Hag had this energy!
Budget…. Who is the red haired woman in the white jumper standing in the isle ?
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
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Fuel duty freeze remains. This government sucks.
I understand the principle of increasing employer NIC to keep their promises but workers are still going to get hit - businesses will use increased costs as an excuse for refusing pay rises...
You want it raised?
100%...I just hope it doesn't mean we lose our pizza parties.
It's by far the most regressive giveaway. Car drivers are subsidised heavily and PT users keep getting higher and higher prices.
.....Who's the woman behind rishi sunak?
Decent budget that.
Have you any idea what happens to the economy when fuel duty is raised? ….not a clue
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Britain summed up
Not really a decision when there is no reliable bus service.
Laura Trott
There's no reliable bus service because they don't have the balls to ask car drivers to pay their fair share