Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Oh my. Stamp duty.

Frist time buyers in April the threshold is coming down. £300,000 from £425,000 if you are look to buy you first home you best start moving.
 
Low unemployment is very undesirable by most governments. Workers have more choice, more control, better benefits, can barter for higher wages, etc. Higher unemployment means there are more workers than vacancies, they have to take what they're given, wages are forced down, employers have the upper hand, the economy 'grows'.

Not meaning to insinuate that you don't know this, but this is what they want. They are the party of business now.
Did you learn economics from Paul down the dog and duck ?
 
Theres no cohesive argument in the budget, its just random stuff it seems to me.

For instance, adding tax ro private aircraft flights seems like part of a green budget, but then they increase the cost of buses and freeze tax on motoring, which whether you agree or not, is the exact opposite.

They say pro business and growth, but then add massively to small business tax burdens with the changes to employers NI.

They are some good ideas here, but none of it seems to be well thought out in terms of overall impact on how the country functions for people and businesses.
You are expecting way too much. If you think of it like treating a patient brought into A&E with multiple life threatening injuries, then it's coherent.
 
Nah, it’s more that the Current Events section is an America-centric zone.
More that people on this forum love whingeing about starmer over the slightest perceived shortfalls, so I can only assume the silence over the budget is because they are too embarrassed to admit they largely approve.
 
The budget was more or less what was expected: tax hikes to plug the holes in the budget. That said, the UK government has become way way way too inefficient with people’s money and I don’t see an easy way out. We’re paying incredible amounts of tax, the highest since the Thatcher era, and we get feck all back in return. It’s now just rip off Britain.

NHS is in a right mess you can’t get an appointment to save your life (literally), social care is FUBARed, legal system has such huge backlogs now that most cases are never heard, criminals are released early on the streets cause the prison system can’t cope, water companies release sewage on rivers and seas but are also somehow on the brink of financial collapse, public transport is fully customer funded and the most expensive in Europe, universities are 9k a year for undergraduate courses and again the most expensive in Europe, childcare in unsubsidised and again the most expensive in Europe, state pensions are a pittance in PPP terms compared to most western nations… I can go on and on and on.

I got a promotion and a £10k pay rise this year and I paid 60% income tax on that. I got ~£300 extra on my payslip from that money. And I can’t for the life of me understand where all the money goes. It just feels like ploughing money into a giant Ponzi scheme.

Anyway, I’m looking to get out. The UK is looking at many years of financial pain ahead to fix the egregious mismanagement of the last two decades.
 
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I got a £10k pay rise this year and I paid 60% income tax on that. I got ~£300 extra on my payslip from that money. And I can’t for the life of me understand where all the money goes. It just feels like ploughing money into a giant Ponzi scheme.
Eh, it's yearly
 
It's not 60% on the yearly salary, it's incremental.
@MadMike

BandTaxable incomeTax rate
Personal AllowanceUp to £12,570 = 0%
Basic rate£12,571 to £50,270 = 20%
Higher rate£50,271 to £125,140 = 40%
Additional rateover £125,140 = 45%

So the most you'll pay is 45% = £4500 not £6000

It doesn't cover NI, I think they make that crap up.
 
More that people on this forum love whingeing about starmer over the slightest perceived shortfalls, so I can only assume the silence over the budget is because they are too embarrassed to admit they largely approve.
Criticism of Starmer or his version of the Labour Party isn't a binary thing. Think of it more like a spectrum. There are things that make the blood boil and there are things that seem good. And there are many things in between.

The budget doesn't make the blood boil, but don't go thinking that makes it good. It's somewhere in between.
 
It's not 60% on the yearly salary, it's incremental.
I know the concept of marginal tax. I’m telling you I’m on a 60% margin, so I keep only get to keep 40% of the 10k pay rise. That’s 4k over 12 months. Or ~£330pcm. NI contributions bring it down to about £300pcm

@MadMike

BandTaxable incomeTax rate
Personal AllowanceUp to £12,570 = 0%
Basic rate£12,571 to £50,270 = 20%
Higher rate£50,271 to £125,140 = 40%
Additional rateover £125,140 = 45%

So the most you'll pay is 45% = £4500 not £6000

It doesn't cover NI, I think they make that crap up.

You’re missing a key piece of information. After £100k, for every 2 pounds you earn they remove 1 pound from your tax free allowance. Until you get to £125k when you no longer have any tax free allowance.

That is a 60% effective marginal tax rate for new income from £100k-£125k. 40% from the tax bracket and 20% from the loss of tax free allowance. After £125k you marginal tax rate drops back to 45%.

And yes this does not include NI.
 
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Its not a new law.

Working farms have attracted 100% inheritance tax relief for years. Because the farming industry would collapse in a single generation if they were not.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/agricultural-relief-on-inheritance-tax

And it's that 100% relief that is being taken away. APR will now be 50% relief on the entire estate above £1m, and crucially irrespective of whether it's farmed or not.

Agricultural Property is defined as land and buildings used for farming. Not just the farmhouse.
 
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I know the concept of marginal tax. I’m telling you I’m on a 60% margin, so I keep only get to keep 40% of the 10k pay rise. That’s 4k over 12 months. Or ~£330pcm. NI contributions bring it down to about £300pcm



You’re missing a key piece of information. After £100k, for every 2 pounds you earn they remove 1 pound from your tax free allowance. Until you get to £125k when you no longer have any tax free allowance.

That is a 60% effective marginal tax rate for new income from £100k-£125k. 40% from the tax bracket and 20% from the loss of tax free allowance. After £125k you marginal tax rate drops back to 45%.

And yes this does not include NI.
It's a tax of 39k on 120k

Its a tax of 33k on 110K

it's a tax of 27k on 100k

33 - 27 = 6 (On 10k) is that not 60% take home?

39 - 27 = 12 (On 20k)
 
Pension for over 75 dies you'll get inheritance taxed - you didn't before it was tax free to the beneficiary
 
You are expecting way too much. If you think of it like treating a patient brought into A&E with multiple life threatening injuries, then it's coherent.
Exactly. It was about extracting as much tax as possible while trying to help the worst off and recognising it had to be mindful of the cost of living, eg fuel duty freeze.
It's a big tax hit on businesses though, and the growth forecasts aren't promising. No-one mentioning the much needed spending boost for health and education.
 
This is where political corruption plays into consumers' hands for once.

A lot of EV investment, especially infrastructure, is coming from the kind of hedge fund investors that give large cheques to politicians, and as a result, will be immune for a while.
So bus fare hike and fuel duty freeze = Labour doesn't care about green policy.

EV tax frozen in positive for green energy = corruption.
 
Pension for over 75 dies you'll get inheritance taxed - you didn't before it was tax free to the beneficiary
Indeed and why should it have been? You get significant tax benefits from saving into a pension because it is for your old age, not a vehicle for avoiding IHT.
 
It's a tax of 39k on 120k

Its a tax of 33k on 110K

it's a tax of 27k on 100k

33 - 27 = 6 (On 10k) is that not 60% take home?

39 - 27 = 12 (On 20k)
No ya numpty. You’re subtracting tax in that example, not take home money. It’s a 6k tax difference on 10k extra income, ergo 60% tax. Not 60% take home.

You should have done this with take home money, to not confuse yourself:

£100k gross -> £68.5k after Tax & NI
£110k gross -> £72.3k after Tax & NI

72.3 - 68.5 = 3.8

You get to keep only £3.8k from the extra £10k you earned. Go here https://listentotaxman.com/ and check it out for yourself.
 
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No ya numpty. You’re subtracting tax in that example, not take home money. It’s a 6k tax difference on 10k extra income, ergo 60% tax. Not 60% take home.

You should have done this with take home money, to not confuse yourself:

£100k gross -> £68.5k after Tax & NI
£110k gross -> £72.3k after Tax & NI

You get to keep only £3.8k from the extra £10k you earned. Go here https://listentotaxman.com/ and check it out for yourself.
Wow, just underlines how difficult it is to save in the UK. If you're able to move to a low tax country, even for a few years, the amount you can save gives you a little hope that you can have some sort of retirement.
 
No ya numpty. You’re subtracting tax in that example, not take home money. It’s a 6k tax difference on 10k extra income, ergo 60% tax. Not 60% take home.

£100k gross -> £68.5k after Tax & NI
£110k gross -> £72.3k after Tax & NI

You get to keep only £3.8k from the extra £10k you earned. Go here https://listentotaxman.com/ and check it out for yourself.
Your right, how da feck does that work.
 
Wow, just underlines how difficult it is to save in the UK. If you're able to move to a low tax country, even for a few years, the amount you can save gives you a little hope that you can have some sort of retirement.

One of the primary ways to avoid the (very stupid) 60% effective tax rate is to use that money to juice your pension (60k per year tax free).
 

It’s particularly goulish that they make an equivalence between these people and people who have lost their winter fuel payments.

£300 per year, covered and then some by the triple lock increase to pensions vs investment in 60+ properties and having to sell their boat and for some reason go back to working full time?

Why do these people have to go back to working full time?
 
It’s particularly goulish that they make an equivalence between these people and people who have lost their winter fuel payments.

£300 per year, covered and then some by the triple lock increase to pensions vs investment in 60+ properties and having to sell their boat and for some reason go back to working full time?

Why do these people have to go back to working full time?
I have no idea, utterly bizarre to link investment in 60+ properties and a £300 payment.
 
One of the primary ways to avoid the (very stupid) 60% effective tax rate is to use that money to juice your pension (60k per year tax free).
It's one way, but can't access it til 55 or whatever.

Was griping more about the sheer amount of tax you pay, particularly given wages are compratively low.
 
I got a promotion and a £10k pay rise this year and I paid 60% income tax on that. I got ~£300 extra on my payslip from that money. And I can’t for the life of me understand where all the money goes. It just feels like ploughing money into a giant Ponzi scheme.

Anyway, I’m looking to get out. The UK is looking at many years of financial pain ahead to fix the egregious mismanagement of the last two decades.
your only real option is to chuck anything that puts you over 100k into a pension until you get past 125k. unless you desperately need the 300 a month.
 
It’s particularly goulish that they make an equivalence between these people and people who have lost their winter fuel payments.

£300 per year, covered and then some by the triple lock increase to pensions vs investment in 60+ properties and having to sell their boat and for some reason go back to working full time?

Why do these people have to go back to working full time?
Apparently they're managing the 60 properties full time, because the agency fees are too high.

I, personally, knew Reeves was a communist when she specifically upped estate agency fees in the budget yesterday.
 
Your right, how da feck does that work.
It works like daylight robbery. And I'm not averse at all to paying high taxes, I'm averse to paying taxes so governments can piss it up the wall or line the pockets of their cronies.

Denmark has much higher taxes than the UK, for example. At £125k in the UK you still get to keep ~62.5% of your total salary with ~37.5k% going to taxes. In Denmark if you earn 1'115m DKK (equivalent to £125k) and you live in Copenhagen, you will keep 53.5% of your salary and pay a whopping 47.5% in taxes. But the system works and it's social. Universities are free at the undergrad level (100% subsidised), childcare costs are subsidised to the tune of 75% from the government, public transport is excellent yet heavily subsidised and much cheaper (about £70pcm, 1/3 of the price of London), public healthcare is completely free but unlike the NHS currently it is actually working well, a social housing system that is accessible and helps keep rents in check, state pensions are better etc. etc... I'd rather live in Denmark.

The UK is stuck in a state where the taxes are not the highest, but still very high considering that almost nothing that is publicly funded currently works well. So you have to pay private for most essential things and that is a very expensive cost on top of your tax. If you want to have a model where people pay privately for nearly everything essential (childcare, transport, education, healthcare, housing) then your taxes better be like Switzerland or the US at 20%-25%. I don't see what value I'm getting for the extra 12.5% I pay compared to low-tax western nations.
 
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