Westminster Politics 2024-2029

Are we back to using this thread? What's going on with the 2024-2029 one?
The binary one hijacked this to have another go at Brown, Darling, and many other people not responsible for the ‘08 crash, blaming them for the ‘08 crash and all of the I’ll throughout the Tories’s 14yrs in power.
 
The binary one hijacked this to have another go at Brown, Darling, and many other people not responsible for the ‘08 crash, blaming them for the ‘08 crash and all of the I’ll throughout the Tories’s 14yrs in power.
And a lot of us didn't even notice it was in the old thread, by the looks of things. I certainly didn't. But then again, the current government are just a continuation of the old one, so maybe we were being far too optimistic creating the new thread.
 
They are in so much as the fact that nobody is using them, despite being talked about for a couple of decades now, they will be opposed by anyone within a 100 mile radius and will - if they are ever green-lit - take a decade or more to come online. And AI centres will achieve what for us, exactly? Other than consuming vast amounts of energy and water while replacing people's jobs at the same time? What's the goal with, it other than being a buzzword for ministers too incompetant to ask what it's for and how it will actually benefit any of us.
Nuclear power will be used, otherwise forget our economic survival. The only other abundant precious energy source in the UK (in necessary quantities) is the coal left underground when the Pits closed.... "if you cannot get it out of the ground economically, leave it where it is, it will become viable one day...." Michael Edwards 1979.... of course he had not heard of climate change!

AI.... nobody knows what enlightenment or terrors it will bring, but we have to be 'in the game'.
 
Nuclear power will be used, otherwise forget our economic survival. The only other abundant precious energy source in the UK (in necessary quantities) is the coal left underground when the Pits closed.... "if you cannot get it out of the ground economically, leave it where it is, it will become viable one day...." Michael Edwards 1979.... of course he had not heard of climate change!

AI.... nobody knows what enlightenment or terrors it will bring, but we have to be 'in the game'.
How do the economics of spending £20bn and over a decade on building each new plant, without the people, knowledge or skills in this country to do so - in another reply you bemoaned the lack of such in the house building sector, which is far easier - and then committing to pay double the average per kWh for another 20 years do anything but ensure our financial ruin?

And we should spend billions more on AI without a plan as to why or how it will be used just because it exists or for fear of others doing it without us? I reckon could get a job in this government without any problem whatsoever.
 
Incredible!

A point is made by a world-renowned economist, but he’s a liberal so it doesn’t count! Also conveniently ignoring the fact that his article was from 2015, killing your ‘fast becoming a parody newspaper’ argument.

I wonder what you’d class as a non-parody newspaper?
Any newspaper that sees private school subsidies as a major priority instead of little things like poverty, probably.
 
This Labour government are literally the opposite of what a Labour government should be. They’re right wing, fiscal conservatives .

You can’t have your cake and eat it. You’ve been accusing Labour of trying to bankrupt the county when they get into power for years by spending like it’s going out of fashion and now they’re in power and they are cutting funding to virtually every single public service that isn’t the NHS and you somehow think that’s a cue to roll out your tropes. They just don’t apply here, you’ve got George Osborne on steroids. If this was a Tory government you’d be sharing Telegraph and Times articles explaining why this is a good thing because state schools are currently bloated and poor people don’t need an education anyway.
Absolutely.
 
Tax more spend more. They're doing exactly that. Just because you don't like what they're spending on this time doesn't mean they haven't jacked up public spending by 15% already.

Last time they took a strong economy and left a wreck that took years to sort out. And that was with a half competent Blair&co that just made a handful of key mistakes. This time we've got possibly the biggest bunch of chancers we've ever seen taking over a basket case. God help us when they’ve finished.
No different to the last 14 years of Your rule, don't you think?
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...office-citizenship-refugees-dangerous-journey

All they want is for progressive groups to get angry so they can promote the anger. Disgusting.

Nail on the head. They're seen people don't believe their efforts on immigration so they're going to go hard on the easiest target until they do. Isn't it lovely to have a government that will implement policy they don't believe in just to make daily mail headlines.

Meanwhile they refuse to set an immigration limit or any kind of guidelines on beneficial immigration and they then wonder why the right get to set the story. Just kick the refugees that'll do.
 
How do the economics of spending £20bn and over a decade on building each new plant, without the people, knowledge or skills in this country to do so - in another reply you bemoaned the lack of such in the house building sector, which is far easier - and then committing to pay double the average per kWh for another 20 years do anything but ensure our financial ruin?

And we should spend billions more on AI without a plan as to why or how it will be used just because it exists or for fear of others doing it without us? I reckon could get a job in this government without any problem whatsoever.(*)
With the population explosion already upon us and increasing per annum, then new nuclear power plants will be required to service the new towns, housing estates, also new sewage plants,(when these are wrestled back from the Water Companies)new street lighting, heat pumps, etc.
Housing and power plants will need to be built in tandem, requires commitment of lots of regular investment money for well over a generation, this has to be generated via a massively improved economy.

AI is one way forward... yes, old jobs will go, but then new ones will be created. Developing all areas of Education (especially primary and tertiary sector) is also important to ensure the basic knowledge to survive is imparted to children as soon as possible (primary) that those about to enter the economy are skilled enough to do so (tertiary).

The above has to happen whether via Labour or whatever government is in power. For my part rather it were Labour

(* Too old for a job with Starmer, (or anybody!!) otherwise would have my CV in already)
 
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...office-citizenship-refugees-dangerous-journey

All they want is for progressive groups to get angry so they can promote the anger. Disgusting.
My expectations for this Labour government were low, but holy feck. The only demographic they seem to care about are the loony kippers (who will never, ever vote Labour) while they’re going out of their way to piss off everyone else. It’s like they’re seeing what’s happening in America and thinking ‘now how can see engineer a far right takeover in this country too?’
 
Sir Human Rights Lawyer :handsup:

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My expectations for this Labour government were low, but holy feck. The only demographic they seem to care about are the loony kippers (who will never, ever vote Labour) while they’re going out of their way to piss off everyone else. It’s like they’re seeing what’s happening in America and thinking ‘now how can see engineer a far right takeover in this country too?’
Exactly. This helps nobody. They need to provide an actual alternative instead of ushering fascism into power.
Deeply evil


Starmer is a racist Zionist cnut.
 
From 2017

Keir Starmer, Labour MP and shadow minister for exiting the EU, said values of compassion for refugees were being "challenged in a way they haven't been for decades", and urged britons to reclaim the discussion and reassert values the UK has shown in the past towards people fleeing from conflict.

Speaking at a charity event on Wednesday organised by grassroots refugee organisation CalAid, a day ahead of a major cross-party debate on the Dubs Amendment, Mr Starmer said: “The values of everyone who is concerned about the refugee crisis are probably being challenged in a way they haven’t been challenged for decades. We need to stand up for what we believe in.

“The spotlight is no longer on refugees. The political space has been squeezed by discussion on Brexit and Trump and we need to reclaim it.

"Our history in the UK is a proud history in relation to refugees, and we should be proud of it and reassert those values. We must fight for what we believe in in terms of the rights and freedoms of refugees."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-debate-orphan-child-amendment-a7595306.html
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With the population explosion already upon us and increasing per annum, then new nuclear power plants will be required to service the new towns, housing estates, also new sewage plants,(when these are wrestled back from the Water Companies)new street lighting, heat pumps, etc.
Housing and power plants will need to be built in tandem, requires commitment of lots of regular investment money for well over a generation, this has to be generated via a massively improved economy.

AI is one way forward... yes, old jobs will go, but then new ones will be created. Developing all areas of Education (especially primary and tertiary sector) is also important to ensure the basic knowledge to survive is imparted to children as soon as possible (primary) that those about to enter the economy are skilled enough to do so (tertiary).

The above has to happen whether via Labour or whatever government is in power. For my part rather it were Labour

(* Too old for a job with Starmer, (or anybody!!) otherwise would have my CV in already)
Yes, I'm aware we need energy. I work in the energy industry now. My point is that nuclear is the worst, most expensive option and the longest to go from planning to online, taking over a decade, with the costs usually doubling in that time.
 
Yes, I'm aware we need energy. I work in the energy industry now. My point is that nuclear is the worst, most expensive option and the longest to go from planning to online, taking over a decade, with the costs usually doubling in that time.

Would that still be the case if the UK ordered the RR SMR ?
 
Why?

Compare the reactions to these cases versus, say, Peter Bone or Owen Paterson.
Because for Labour it’s bad news and will impact them in the polls / in future by-elections and elections. Considering the subject matter, how can that not be ironic that Reform will benefit from it?
 
Would that still be the case if the UK ordered the RR SMR ?
Given we've never built one, almost certainly yes. Add the inevitable local opposition like we saw with cracking sites and are seeing with solar farms, and it would easily take a decade till the plan turned into a reality.

We also don't have the skills here in the workforce, so we'd have to involve France or China or Korea, who have plenty of their own projects to work on.
 
Given we've never built one, almost certainly yes. Add the inevitable local opposition like we saw with cracking sites and are seeing with solar farms, and it would easily take a decade till the plan turned into a reality.

We also don't have the skills here in the workforce, so we'd have to involve France or China or Korea, who have plenty of their own projects to work on.
RR SMR is British technology, created and built in the UK, not sure where France or China come in to play - https://www.rolls-royce-smr.com/ - if this is to be believed it's way ahead of it's European counterparts