West Indies V India

We are shit, there was no excuse for losing to that rubbish WI team. It wasn't as if Lara turned it or anything, then it may have been acceptable.

I agree with Jazz regarding Pathan, he is going backwards. Zaheer Khan II


Disagree that Indian players need to spend team playing county cricket to improve. County cricket did not make Waqar and Wassim the great bowlers they were. And their motivation to play there was money, they actually didn't turn up for some International matches to play in county cricket.
Test matches will prove if Dhone can hack it on foreign pitches or not.
 
heheh

This thread is enjoyable, reminds me of the Brain Charles Lara thread.

Good times.
 
Dubai_Devil said:
heheh

This thread is enjoyable, reminds me of the Brain Charles Lara thread.

Good times.
When i proved Sachin was better?
You're right, this series does prove that again.
 
No and no.

Are you going to tell us all how amazing Pathan is again or is it now someone else's turn?
 
crappycraperson said:
I agree with Jazz regarding Pathan, he is going backwards. Zaheer Khan II

All I'm going to say is:

I told you so!

I told you when he was doing well-ish against us and England. I told you he should not be batting anywhere higher than 7th. I told you I could see he was sacraficing his bowling speed unnecessarily.

He's still got time to change that and go back to basics, i.e. bowling - only.
 
vijay said:
You say that :lol:

with your mediocre debating technique combined with minimal knowledge in cricket.
Go on make a poll and see how many people in the caf hold the same opinion as myself.
 
crappycraperson said:
Go on make a poll and see how many people in the caf hold the same opinion as myself.

No need for a Poll. Opinions are like arseholes...Every one has one.

Your one liners were ...Tendulkar is better than Lara and the greatest match winner ever. Steve Waugh is renowned for saving test matches... Yadda Yadda...

Some other gems many have unheard of....Sums everything up.
 
crappycraperson said:
Disagree that Indian players need to spend team playing county cricket to improve.

County cricket is required especially for the bowlers from the subcontinent...but not more than couple of seasons

County cricket did not make Waqar and Wassim the great bowlers they were. And their motivation to play there was money, they actually didn't turn up for some International matches to play in county cricket.
Test matches will prove if Dhone can hack it on foreign pitches or not.

Wasim, Waqar and Murali are exceptions. They were already great bowlers before they started playing in the counties. Even established batsmen and bowlers including the likes of Saqlain, Kumble and Dravid benefitted a lot after their stint in the English counties. Previously Azharuddin and Ravi Shastri after their stint with Derbyshire and Glamorgon ended up being better.
 
Dumpstar said:
All I'm going to say is:

I told you so!

I told you when he was doing well-ish against us and England. I told you he should not be batting anywhere higher than 7th. I told you I could see he was sacraficing his bowling speed unnecessarily.

He's still got time to change that and go back to basics, i.e. bowling - only.
:lol: Calm down. He's been brilliant of late in one dayers. Both against England, Pakistan and even before that. One not so brilliant one day series is no big deal. Our batting line up failed, thats why we lost this series, cant blame the bowlers. Infact Pathan was excellent in the 2nd game, which we should have won and taken a 2-0 lead, had it not been for our batsman.
 
bigredmachine said:
I think its time we gave some of our players a break.
Too much cricket, dont you think so?
No. I think its simply a case of the youth finally failing. Fine we've gone with that policy and everythings been rosey so far, but when you do that you have to expect this to happen every now and then. Our batting line up for this tour in particular was filled a bunch of youngsters or players trying to establish themselves.

Personally id like to see more experience mixed in with the youth we already have in place. When a team ages, it starts to look old and rusty.. and every one jumps to the conclusion that youth is the way. Well, that has its downside as well, in foreign surroundings they failed.

First of all, the biggest blunder is Dravid opening. Iv said it for awhile, and its really like shooting yourselves in the foot. Now with Sachin out, Laxman not picked and Ganguly finished, Yuvraj and Dravid are the two batsman who carry this team. Sehwag isnt that type of player so it cant be said about him. But to send the man your team is built around right upfront is just ridiculous. Plus he's a natural no.3 batsman. He's the best around. I would rather see someone more agressive and more expendible up there. Also Dhoni and Pathan for once didnt come good with the bat.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
No. I think its simply a case of the youth finally failing. Fine we've gone with that policy and everythings been rosey so far, but when you do that you have to expect this to happen every now and then. Our batting line up for this tour in particular was filled a bunch of youngsters or players trying to establish themselves.

Personally id like to see more experience mixed in with the youth we already have in place. When a team ages, it starts to look old and rusty.. and every one jumps to the conclusion that youth is the way. Well, that has its downside as well, in foreign surroundings they failed.

First of all, the biggest blunder is Dravid opening. Iv said it for awhile, and its really like shooting yourselves in the foot. Now with Sachin out, Laxman not picked and Ganguly finished, Yuvraj and Dravid are the two batsman who carry this team. Sehwag isnt that type of player so it cant be said about him. But to send the man your team is built around right upfront is just ridiculous. Plus he's a natural no.3 batsman. He's the best around. I would rather see someone more agressive and more expendible up there. Also Dhoni and Pathan for once didnt come good with the bat.

Its all true man.
I still can't get over the loss, considering the fact we are a strong one day outfit..

Hope dropping Laxman doesn't bite us in the ass:wenger:

crappycraperson said:
Disagree that Indian players need to spend team playing county cricket to improve..

It'd surely help Dhoni play the pacers better.
Pathan, Sreeshanth could use the experience, bowling on those green tops...
 
bigredmachine said:
Its all true man.
I still can't get over the loss, considering the fact we are a strong one day outfit..

Hope dropping Laxman doesn't bite us in the ass:wenger:



It'd surely help Dhoni play the pacers better.
Pathan, Sreeshanth could use the experience, bowling on those green tops...
Its pretty simple. Lack of experience. We've never done well in West Indies. We never do well abroad. But even when we went to Australia, Pakistan and England and did well.. we struggled in WI. Its always happened. And that Indian batting line up was awesome. Its something about the pitches. Even Sachin went through the lone true lean patch in his long test career(except for the post injury stuff). So its hard to expect this young bunch to do well.

Thats not to say that we should go in fearing loss. We are far far better than this WI side, and now i really want us to feck them over in the tests, if just to make that cocky bastard Lara eat his words. If we get green tops and Irfan hits top gear, we'l batter them. Doubt that will happen though. These wickets are odd, theres little bounce, hardly any movement, ball doesnt come on, no pace.
 
Now that the one-day crap is done, time for us to get buggered in the tests. Antigua will be a dull batting feast I presume though its tough to be confident about that given India's recent batting record.

The place has gone a little slow though hasn't it? I notice from the general and the admin that some of the regulars in this forum like Slabber and Spoony have been banned. Pity. It'll be a bit dull without their baiting of the kids.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Its pretty simple. Lack of experience. We've never done well in West Indies. We never do well abroad. But even when we went to Australia, Pakistan and England and did well.. we struggled in WI. Its always happened. And that Indian batting line up was awesome. Its something about the pitches. Even Sachin went through the lone true lean patch in his long test career(except for the post injury stuff). So its hard to expect this young bunch to do well.

Thats not to say that we should go in fearing loss. We are far far better than this WI side, and now i really want us to feck them over in the tests, if just to make that cocky bastard Lara eat his words. If we get green tops and Irfan hits top gear, we'l batter them. Doubt that will happen though. These wickets are odd, theres little bounce, hardly any movement, ball doesnt come on, no pace.

I'm not sure what you're on about. The wickets in this series are much better than those at home against England in the last series. They don't crumble to dust, decent bounce/seam and enough carry to the keeper.

The main problem, as has been for years before, is that the batsmen can't get around the fecking "ball may bounce over the knee roll on pitches abroad" reality.

Its either that they aren't prepared for it, or don't have the skill to play forcefully of the back foot. Those who manage to defend forcefully aren't really confident to score runs at a decent pace.

IMO, the real problem is still the wickets back home which really are a disgrace purely to protect the nonsensical spinning turfs ideology. Not all of them, but most are.
 
vikram10 said:
I'm not sure what you're on about. The wickets in this series are much better than those at home against England in the last series. They don't crumble to dust, decent bounce/seam and enough carry to the keeper.

The main problem, as has been for years before, is that the batsmen can't get around the fecking "ball may bounce over the knee roll on pitches abroad" reality.

Its either that they aren't prepared for it, or don't have the skill to play forcefully of the back foot. Those who manage to defend forcefully aren't really confident to score runs at a decent pace.

IMO, the real problem is still the wickets back home which really are a disgrace purely to protect the nonsensical spinning turfs ideology. Not all of them, but most are.
Its no secret that generally Indians don’t play the bouncing ball that well. Its understandable considering the pitches at home. But its an old phenomina. Our batsman have succeeded in England and Australia on seaming bouncy pitches. I don’t think it’s as relevant a weakness as it used to be. Iv noticed that the ball not coming on to the bat is something we find harder to deal with these days.
 
India in drivers seat

Excellent double ton by Jaffer and a brilliant cameo by Dhoni.

Yuvraj, Sehwag and Laxman are throwing away their wickets after great starts but Jaffer albeit being less talented scored his double ton with his discipline and application.. more than anything else. These fancied names needs to learn a lot from Jaffer.
 
crappycraperson said:
Did any one see the whole drama over Dhoni's wicket/six ?
:lol:
hehe i know. Took them like an hour to make that decision. Who was that umpire who couldnt make up his mind, and then got bullied by Lara? Lara by the way is surprising me on this tour by his lack of class. Acted like a big baby yesterday.

Still not sure how Dhoni was given out. Surely should be a six considering thats the decision the umpires gave.
 
crappycraperson said:
Dhoni accepted the fielder's version and was given out.
Not on the field he didnt. Maybe towards the end, when it was obvious Dravid was declaring, but otherwise he seemed to stand his ground and wanted to follow the decision taken by the umpires(not out).
 
I thought Dravid defused a probable volatile situation in a very PC manner - class guy...
 
Yep.

Lara's a wanker.fecking crybaby.

We were terrible in the ODI's.I think thats an appropriate summary.

This is a different ball game.
 
Real tense ending there, should of let Sehwag have a bowl as he was really getting some serious drift in the air which was causing problems.

India did very well to fight back. Jaffer played a jaffer of an innings as well and Dhoni played very well as well, India yet again had been batting at a very slow pace but he came in at the end and added runs very quickly.

The first day was very hard for the batsman as there was a lot of ball movement available for the quick bowlers and India were made to suffer. Showed a lot of charactor to fight back but made a big mistake having three inexperienced seamers.
 
bigredmachine said:
Dravid > Lara
Very true.
Lara's an individual. He's got all the records he wants but whenever his team really needs him he bottles it. Always respected him because he across as a humble chap. He's come across like a real cry baby on this tour and completely lacked class.